US Long-awaited ban on menthol cigarettes could be delayed into 2024, public health groups fear - They know Biden loses the black vote if he bans menthols, so they will lollygag until after Nov 2024

Long-awaited ban on menthol cigarettes could be delayed into 2024, public health groups fear
NBC News (archive.ph)
By Erika Edwards and Sara G. Miller
2023-12-01 23:34:05GMT

The long-awaited ban on menthol cigarettes may not be announced by the end of the year, but pushed to 2024, according to officials from two national public health groups working to remove the products from the market.

Both requested anonymity to discuss the decision ahead of any announcement from the Biden administration. The delay could be announced as early as next week, they suggested.

Officials from the public health groups worry that the ban may be punted well into next year, perhaps even after the November presidential election.

One of the officials was “deeply concerned” that the ban would not be put into place before the 2024 election.

“Everything gets harder to do in an election year because people are distracted and bandwidth is stretched,” the official said.

The White House declined to comment.

A ban on menthol cigarettes has been in the works for more than a decade. A 2013 citizen petition prompted the Food and Drug Administration to ban menthol as a flavor in cigarettes, but rules to finalize a ban have been sluggish.

In January, Brian King, the director of the FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products, said the agency was committed to completing the rulemaking process for the ban in 2023. The FDA went on to miss its own self-imposed deadline of August.

Menthol use predominantly affects people of color.

Nearly 85% of Black smokers use menthols, compared to 30% of white smokers, according to the FDA. Black men and women are far less likely than white Americans to be diagnosed with lung cancer at an earlier stage, when the disease is often more treatable. Black men have the highest lung cancer death rate in the U.S.

Public health groups such as the American Lung Association and the American Heart Association have been vocal about the need for an end to menthol tobacco products.

“The American Lung Association expects the White House to honor President Biden’s commitment to end cancer as we know it through the Cancer Moonshot,” said Erika Sward, assistant vice president for national advocacy at the American Lung Association. It “cannot be achieved unless the White House finalizes” rules banning menthol products.

“Removing these products from the market is backed by strong scientific evidence and hundreds of thousands of public comments from the public health community nationwide,” said Nancy Brown, chief executive officer for the American Heart Association. “The administration should not delay further in putting these rules into effect.”

On Friday, the Food and Drug Administration said that finalizing rules to ban menthol tobacco products “remains a top priority.”

“Final rules such as these go through an extensive rulemaking process, including agency review and consideration of public comments, development of the final rule, and subsequent review by the Department of Health and Human Services and the White House Office of Management and Budget,” an FDA spokesperson said. The OMB has posted the final rules, which is considered the last step before the bans are finalized.

The Biden administration has been conducting ongoing meetings to discuss the issue with the tobacco industry and public health groups.

Menthol cigarettes are notoriously addictive. When inhaled, the menthol produces a cooling sensation in the throat, reducing the irritation of nicotine and the harsh taste of cigarettes, essentially making the cigarettes easier to smoke.

Menthols are also difficult to quit. Menthol smokers successfully quit at lower rates than nonmenthol smokers, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“People are dying. This will save lives. We have the science and data to prove it,” one official said. “It is long past time to take these products off the market.”
 
Is the government too stupid to realize that people can just use peppermint oil on the filter to achieve this? You can buy peppermint oil at the grocery store. I highly doubt they will restrict peppermint oil extract, it's used in way too many things. Plus, even if you want to make it, it's easy. Get a bunch of mint, mash it up good, steam it, collect the steam, skim the oils off the top of the condensed steam. It's the crude way to make any essential oil. They've been doing this shit for 1000's of years. There would be 0 way to stop it.
 
Make it national, might see cigarettes online from overseas.
My aunt somehow got into that about 15 years ago when the taxes started getting out of hand. She would order untaxed cartons from some Eastern European shithole at some stupidly low price. She said they had a slightly different taste but the quality of tobacco was the same and they were genuine Marlboro Red cowboy killers, albeit with some Cyrillic print. Don't know how easy it is to get them through customs these days though.
 
The long-awaited ban on menthol cigarettes may not be announced by the end of the year, but pushed to 2024, according to officials from two national public health groups working to remove the products from the market.
Who is awaiting it exactly? People who do not use the product?

Look I am not a menthol enjoyer but I find it very interesting that it is your body your choice until certain people decide that they do not like what you are doing.

Want to eat yourself to death? No problem big pharma can milk you for that!
Want to cut your genitals off? No problem hospitals make bank on that!
Want to consume products with thc concentrations that have no research into the long term effects of consuming but it kind of looks like it might not be great? Nibble up!
Want to gamble your life away while taking a shit? LIGHTNING ROULETTE NIGGA!

MENTHOLS??? Eeeewwwww

Fuck these people this seems like a good distraction for them:
 
Couldn't this just as easily be spun as "racists want to take away a vice enjoyed primarily by black people"? If menthol cigarettes are disproportionately used by black people, then any enforcement of a ban would disproportionately target black people too. Unless they're sure this totally won't pan out the same way every prohibition of drugs has throughout history and everyone just contentedly accepts they can't smoke menthol cigarettes anymore, right?
Possibly, but on the other hand it would also put it out there that a common stereotype is actually true and they don't want to be giving people ideas about blacks and stereotypes. People might start wondering about other stereotypes

That said, if they ban menthols how long will it be before people start shoving menthol tic tacs in their cigs to get that minty hit?

and I wonder how long it'll be before the tobacco companies pull a dale gribble and send out singing cigarette fish to spy on anti menthol lobbyists

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Makes you think doesn't it. Perhaps they should compromise and give junkies menthol heroin instead

So, if they ban menthols newports will clearly have to be rebranded. I can see it now:
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Newporks: for that fresh chitlin flavor. Don't let the government hog your newporks
 
Is the government too stupid to realize that people can just use peppermint oil on the filter to achieve this? You can buy peppermint oil at the grocery store. I highly doubt they will restrict peppermint oil extract, it's used in way too many things. Plus, even if you want to make it, it's easy. Get a bunch of mint, mash it up good, steam it, collect the steam, skim the oils off the top of the condensed steam. It's the crude way to make any essential oil. They've been doing this shit for 1000's of years. There would be 0 way to stop it.
This type of shit is never about actually trying to keep people from smoking/buying whatever they are banning. They are somehow making money off of this.
They are trying to force money out of an industry they dont profit off of into one they do.
 
This type of shit is never about actually trying to keep people from smoking/buying whatever they are banning. They are somehow making money off of this.
They are trying to force money out of an industry they dont profit off of into one they do.
Yeah they want nigs to vape
 
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Biden ban on menthol cigarettes to be delayed amid political concerns, officials say
The Washington Post (archive.ph)
By Dan Diamond and David Ovalle
2023-12-06 03:35:45GMT

The Biden administration will further delay a long-awaited ban on menthol cigarettes after fierce lobbying from critics who warn that a prohibition could anger some Black smokers who favor the products and could hurt President Biden’s reelection prospects, administration officials said.

The administration is expected to announce Wednesday that it plans in March to finalize federal rules that would lead to menthol cigarettes being removed from the market, according to three officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss forthcoming regulations. The officials acknowledged that the process could be delayed still further because of pressure during an election year.

Officials originally planned to finalize the rules in August 2023 and later signaled to public health groups that they hoped to finish them by January, although the resulting ban was not expected to go into effect for several years because of anticipated legal challenges.

The debate over cracking down on menthol products comes as Biden ramps up his reelection campaign. Democrats have already voiced concerns that Biden’s flagging popularity could mean low turnout among Black voters whose political support propelled him to the White House.

More than 18.5 million people in the United States smoked menthol cigarettes in 2019. Among smokers who are Black, 81 percent choose menthols, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a far higher rate than for smokers who are White. Top civil rights and health groups have long maintained that the tobacco industry has a history of aggressively marketing to Black communities.

The proposed ban has revealed deep fissures in the African American community, with proponents saying that removing menthol cigarettes will save hundreds of thousands of lives. But high-profile opponents, including the American Civil Liberties Union and some prominent civil rights figures such as the Rev. Al Sharpton, assert that a ban would foster an underground market, leading police to disproportionately target smokers who are Black.

Public health officials warn that menthol enhances the effect of nicotine on the brain and can make tobacco products more addictive. The menthol creates a cooling sensation that makes smoke feel less harsh and easier to inhale.

The White House has been reviewing the planned ban, written by the Food and Drug Administration, on menthol cigarettes since October. The FDA is also pursuing a ban on flavored cigars and new limits on nicotine in cigarettes, although the process of finalizing those rules is set to be delayed until at least March as well.

Officials have insisted that the bans would not target individual consumers but that enforcement would focus on manufacturers, distributors and retailers.

The Biden administration’s regulatory agenda, set to be issued Wednesday, will contain the new target date of finalizing rules for the menthol ban by March. That agenda is not binding, and officials noted that the White House could still elect to finalize the new tobacco rules before next March — especially as public health groups amp up their own peer pressure.

“The timing matters,” said one official, who noted that waiting to finalize the rules could expose them to a regulatory process that allows a new White House to swiftly reverse rules issued in the final months of a prior administration. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) has pledged to reverse the rules if elected, and President Donald Trump declined to ban menthol cigarettes during his time in office.

The White House said Tuesday it could not comment on pending rules. The FDA has explored a menthol ban for more than a decade and proposed the rules in April 2022. The agency said it remains committed to issuing tobacco standards for menthol cigarettes as “expeditiously as possible” but is limited from discussing the rules until they are published.

Health advocates and officials have spent years clamoring for bans on the products and expressed dismay about a further delay.

“This would be devastating,” said David Margolius, director of public health for Cleveland.

Margolius said smoking is the No. 1 cause of death in metro Cleveland — where 35 percent of adults smoke cigarettes, more than three times the national average — and the City Council is considering a ban on menthol cigarettes. But local attempts to crack down on smoking have been stymied by Ohio’s GOP-controlled legislature.

“Cities like Cleveland, and states with conservative legislatures, are really counting on our White House to protect our community, because we’ve seen that the state legislature won’t act, and they may even act to preempt any local regulation,” Margolius said. “We need the White House to act to save lives.”

California and Massachusetts have already banned the sale of menthol cigarettes. Critics in California say tobacco companies may be skirting the ban by selling “menthol-like” cigarettes.

Karen E. Knudsen, chief executive of the American Cancer Society, said her organization was among a coalition of public health associations that this month will take out ads in national newspapers, send letters to lawmakers and pursue other steps to encourage the Biden administration to finalize the rule.

“The cost of inaction is high,” said Knudsen, citing projections that a ban on menthol cigarettes would save as many as 650,000 lives during the next 40 years.

The products are a gateway to addiction, she said, noting that since 1980, the Black community had accounted for 1.5 million new menthol cigarette smokers.

Researchers and regulators have blamed the rise in menthol cigarette use on aggressive marketing to Black communities, an assertion cigarette companies deny.

“There is absolutely no reason for delay on a policy that has been studied for more than 12 years and is essential to the President’s health equity and Cancer Moonshot agenda,” Yolonda C. Richardson, chief executive of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, said in a statement. “If the White House gives in to the tobacco industry’s fearmongering now, it will further undermine public trust in government and make it even harder to move forward in an election year.”

Manufacturers sold 173.5 billion cigarettes in 2022, according to the Federal Trade Commission’s annual Cigarette Report, well below annual sales in the 1980s that often topped 600 billion. Among major manufacturers, menthol cigarettes made up 36 percent of the market, the report said.

Tobacco companies oppose the ban, insisting science shows menthols pose no greater risk than other cigarettes. R.J. Reynolds, which makes Newport, the nation’s top-selling menthol brand, said in a statement Tuesday that a ban would hurt small businesses, dent tax revenue and contribute to a dangerous illegal market.

“A ban on menthol flies in the face of proven science and is contrary to the FDA’s stated goal of reducing the health effects of tobacco use,” the statement said.

Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) in a statement Tuesday urged Biden to swiftly finalize the rule, accusing the tobacco industry of “funding scare tactics in hopes of a delay to protect its profits.”

Critics of the ban have echoed concerns about an illegal market for menthol cigarettes — including conservative groups and lawmakers who have attacked Biden and Democrats by playing up fears of crime and Mexican criminal groups already trafficking in deadly fentanyl. Earlier this year, Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Bill Cassidy (R-La.) sent a letter to the FDA claiming the ban on menthol cigarettes could embolden Mexican cartels to sell illegal tobacco products in the United States alongside “their extensive distribution networks.”

The proposed ban has split prominent Black lawmakers and other key figures. While members of the Congressional Black Caucus this year said they supported the rule and urged Biden to enact it, several former lawmakers and other opponents met with senior Biden administration officials — including FDA Commissioner Robert Califf and Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra — on Nov. 20 to warn against cracking down on menthol products. The meeting was first reported by Stat News.

The meeting included high-profile civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who represented the family of Eric Garner, the New York man who died in 2014 after a police officer put him in a chokehold while being arrested on suspicion of selling loose cigarettes. Gwen Carr, Garner’s mother, has opposed the menthol ban, as has Crump; the Wall Street Journal reported last year that Crump acknowledged accepting money from Reynolds for Black youth scholarships but that he said it has not influenced his opinion.

Crump told “The Bakari Sellers Podcast” last year that the ban was “arbitrarily” criminalizing a product used by many African Americans smokers. “How about the cigarettes that White people smoke?” Crump said. He also compared a possible menthol ban to the 1994 crime bill, sponsored by Biden when he was in the Senate. Some analysts have said the crime bill resulted in the mass incarceration of Black men, sparking backlash in the Black community. As a presidential candidate in 2020, Biden acknowledged that his support for the bill was a “mistake.”

Benjamin F. Chavis, president of the National Newspaper Publishers Association, which represents more than 200 newspapers serving the African American community, said he supports pausing the proposed menthol ban, although he said a pause should last years to give time for a national racial impact study.

“I think the Biden administration has considered a pause so they can get more facts about the unintended consequences. I also believe that the ill-advised timing of an FDA ban on menthol cigarettes will have a negative impact on how Black Americans vote in 2024,” said Chavis, who said his association is not influenced by tobacco companies but acknowledged Reynolds sometimes places ads in member newspapers and sponsors association events.

Rep. Robin L. Kelly (D-Ill.), who chairs the Congressional Black Caucus’s health-care task force, said she understood the tensions given Garner’s death and other “things that have happened to African Americans, specifically with cigarettes.” But she renewed her call for the Biden administration to swiftly proceed with a ban and stressed that smokers should not fear it.

“It’s not the individuals that will be sought” by law enforcement, Kelly said. “It’s those selling the cigarettes, or the company selling cigarettes.”

Delmonte Jefferson, executive director of the Center for Black Health & Equity, criticized other African American leaders opposing the ban, calling them “paid mouthpieces” for the tobacco industry. He also blasted the administration, saying he doesn’t believe a ban will cost Black votes.

“When you ban menthol, you’re going to save Black lives,” Jefferson said. “You mess with the Black vote when you say, ‘I don’t value your life, I don’t value your health.’”
 
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When I read this thread's subtitle I busted out laughing at how much it reminded me of that Chappelle's Show skit where blacks are given reparations and the sales of Cadillacs and KFC skyrocket.

EDIT: And also the part from the famous Chris Rock bit where he mentions that black people don't give a shit about welfare cuts, but niggers are shaking in their boots.
 
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They're always trying to control/ban inanimate objects over what dumb people do. Pretty soon it's gonna be more a question of what CAN we do rather than what we can't.

Stop restricting shit because niggers. Let them kill themselves and each other. I hate menthol but holy shit, either ban cigarettes altogether or don't. Stop pussyfooting around using "muh niggers health!" as an excuse. Nobody cares, least of all you shysters.

Shit or get off the damn pot.
i knew a gal close to 30 years ago who smoked menthol cigarettes so nobody would bum smokes off her. (no she was not blek)
 
It makes the cartels even more powerful.
Years ago Vice did a documentary about "Cheap Whites" which were basically cheap "knock off" cigs from eastern Europe being smuggled into the "West". I was split on whether they were more pissed at missing out on the tax revenue, or pissed that their social engineering of desired outcomes (poors not smoking) was being undermined. I'm sure the money is fantastic for the cartels, but drugs are waay more bang for the buck when smuggling, Which is why I lean more on the whole Social engineering project of the busy body "left"

I suck at archiving and since Vice is basically tits up all I could find with some quick google-fu was this bookface link of all things https://www.facebook.com/vicetv/videos/315863068778951/
 
Literally "well, black people love their newports, so we'll wait till we have their vote to take em, they'll never know even if we announce it"
I just... :story:
These people are more racist than /pol/
AND think that the only reason prohibition didn't work was because they didn't pass it.....

The desire for people to do drugs will overcome obedience to any new laws, they said with confidence. They laughed at Just Say No as trite and immature, some even called it immoral to not let kids experiment with drugs. They said sending people to jail for getting caught with a single dime bag was excessive, it was a victimless crime they said. They demanded low key drug legalization for years because "people gonna get high, might as well make money off it" Silly conservatives! You can't think finger-wagging like that will seriously be abided by, can you? That the morals of the nation can be improved by legislative action? You're all a bunch of dummies!

But now? Banning cigarettes that are "unhealthy"?

In the full expectation people will comply, there will be no black market, no need for any real enforcement, and everyone will soon learn how much better they are without smokes? That the morals of the nation will be improved by legislative action?

Well, of course, the Right Side (tm) of Democracy and History did the lawmaking, it'll work this time!
 
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I suck at archiving and since Vice is basically tits up all I could find with some quick google-fu was this bookface link of all things https://www.facebook.com/vicetv/videos/315863068778951/
video:
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Although titled the same, I think this is a different article, haven't read it or watched the video yet.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7xgkaz/cheap-whites-inside-berlins-cigarette-black-market (archive.ph)
 
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