Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[kittyfucker]

So I've lost a lot of friends due to COVID (not death, just falling out of touch) and I recently saw someone who was kinda-sorta in my friend group from highschool. I couldn't remember his name but I kneejerk pointed him out and was like "hey I know you!" and he immediately goes "oh, it's you! what's your name again?" "It's X" "oh hi! I'm X, she/her" and I was just so shocked at hearing someone introduce themselves with pronouns (to what is essentially a stranger no less) that I didn't even know what to say, I just went "...yeah!..." and we talked for a minute. His new name is a few letters off from my name, think Alice and Alicia.

He would have been the LAST person to ever trans out in my mind. THE most normie guy I have ever met, and when I saw him he was just a disheveled shell of his former self - long ratty hair, dressed like a toddler chose his outfit. Visibly tired, nervous, and skittish. It wasn't the face of someone who transitioned and now loves their body, or uncovered some fundamental truth about themselves and was finally comfortable enough to show it, just a complete mess. Something shitty about knowing that AGP exists is that now just by interacting with him I can kind of tell that he has a crippling porn addiction when I never wanted to know that, since he's clearly not gay.

I think I'm going to stop approaching people I recognize now.

 

[Fapcop]

So I've lost a lot of friends due to COVID (not death, just falling out of touch) and I recently saw someone who was kinda-sorta in my friend group from highschool. I couldn't remember his name but I kneejerk pointed him out and was like "hey I know you!" and he immediately goes "oh, it's you! what's your name again?" "It's X" "oh hi! I'm X, she/her" and I was just so shocked at hearing someone introduce themselves with pronouns (to what is essentially a stranger no less) that I didn't even know what to say, I just went "...yeah!..." and we talked for a minute. His new name is a few letters off from my name, think Alice and Alicia.

He would have been the LAST person to ever trans out in my mind. THE most normie guy I have ever met, and when I saw him he was just a disheveled shell of his former self - long ratty hair, dressed like a toddler chose his outfit. Visibly tired, nervous, and skittish. It wasn't the face of someone who transitioned and now loves their body, or uncovered some fundamental truth about themselves and was finally comfortable enough to show it, just a complete mess. Something shitty about knowing that AGP exists is that now just by interacting with him I can kind of tell that he has a crippling porn addiction when I never wanted to know that, since he's clearly not gay.

I think I'm going to stop approaching people I recognize now.

You’re a better man/woman than I got not just bursting out laughing at someone introducing themselves with their pronouns, lol!

It looks so clunky and cringe in text, I can’t even imagine it IRL.

 

[Vingle]

You’re a better man/woman than I got not just bursting out laughing at someone introducing themselves with their pronouns, lol!

I think laughing out loud at someone that retarded is the appropriate answer.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

My mom and I were visiting on of her friends and their family. All is well, everyone is laughing and eating. I wonder where the youngest daughter is because her older sisters are here. I haven't seen her in a decade or so. I used to babysit her sometimes and we'd play TTRP games and whatnot. She is your textbook nerdy, awkward tomboy (who I'm pretty sure is also autistic. She has that autist voice and stare). Youngest daughter comes downstairs and I finally see her for the first time in years. Patchy beard, cystic acne, receding hairline and classic Aiden frog voice. It took the strength of god to stop me from beating the shit out of her parents for enabling this. I couldn't tell if she got the titchop because of her baggy hoodie but fuck man. She had hobbies and dreams. She loved basketball and dinosaurs. She wanted to be an archeologist but now it's a miracle if she lives to see 40.

 

[Where's Waldo?]

My trans friend was diagnosed with BPD. I could've sworn there was a study somewhere that observed comorbidity between Cluster B disorders and gender dysphoria.

You know what makes me really MATI is that troon activists will see this correlation and say, "it's because of all the trauma that trans kids have to go through for being trans. That's why they develop a personality disorder."

They will tacitly reject any notion that an unstable sense of identity could make someone think they could be trans. They're so fucking anti-science and anti-psychology. It's just whatever agrees with the political narrative of the moment.

 

[Vingle]

You know what makes me really MATI is that troon activists will see this correlation and say, "it's because of all the trauma that trans kids have to go through for being trans. That's why they develop a personality disorder."

Predators gonna prey on the vulnerable, and use all tactics to make it in their favour. Even if it's all bs, most people are stupid and are going to believe it as long as you make it convincing.

 

[Where's Waldo?]

Predators gonna prey on the vulnerable, and use all tactics to make it in their favour. Even if it's all bs, most people are stupid and are going to believe it as long as you make it convincing.

Yeah. It's like they'll try to spin a narrative where trans means anything, and trans can explain all your problems and whims and wishes in life.

"So if you just do this one thing, it'll make EVERYTHING better again!" Isn't that everyone's wish?
To just have one solution to make their life instantly better, ("or if it didn't work, you didn't go far enough. but once you do IT WILL ALL BE WORTH IT!")

...and yeah, I think they do realize everyone wishes for one solution.
They think they actually found their own personal philosopher's stone to transmute poisonous lead into precious gold.

.....but it's just lead painted gold. You break it open and it's all just fucking black and grey inside.
So the ideologues then pass a prohibition against breaking the fake gold.
"Out of sight, out of mind".

1: "Here, let me show you, it's not really real gold. *cuts into it*"

2: "OMG YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT! THAT'S A CRIME! CUTTING THE GOLD IS A CRIME! DO YOU WANT TO HARM OUR GOLD?"

1: "but it's not real gold."


At least if they were fucking honest that the lead is lead, then they could go from there.
Lead has uses on its own, but pretending it is gold just opens up a danger of lead poisoning, because no one is taking proper precautions.... because they believe it is gold.

Sorry if the metaphor is annoying, but I hope you get it.

 

[BlonkBloink]

The only person i lost was my true self. Still hate myself over it

 

[KelpieSelkie]

I've already shared about a former friend of mine, and thankfully I never actually knew any of these women in person, but it still hurts to see them fall to trans identity.Years ago when I was a regular user on DeviantArt and then migrated to Tumblr, there were many female artists I really looked up to and wanted to be like. They are all many years older than myself.

CanineHybrid (Riley) made really good looking Pokemon costumes, VerdantSculpts (Emily) made beautiful vases and pots for plants in the shapes of dragons and other things, iguanamouth (Lauren) was really funny (to me at least) and had a unique art style that reminded me of the illustrator for Roald Dahl's books, Naomi Romero has worked for big name companies like DreamWorks and has designed a very cute and successful line of merch, and Violaine Briat is a comic artist and graduate of Gobelins l'école de l'image who once sent little postcards and stickers of her characters to anyone who sent their address to her through the ask function on Tumblr (I still have them somewhere, too).

Every one of these women now either identifies as nonbinary and changed their name, have undergone a masectomy, or went full-on troon and now identify fully as men wit or without surgery and hormones. Several of them identified as lesbian or bisexual before this, whether to my knowledge at the time or not. A lot of these changes only happened within the past few years, CanineHybrid being the most recent. The other most recent changer is Noami Romero, who wants people to call her Nao - and who has a twin sister who is a TiF. Others are older, since I wasn't keeping track of them after leaving Tumblr.

It's incredibly fucked up what troonism has done to so many young women, and also women even in their 30's. I don't believe the social contagion theory applies only to teenage girls, it seems to apply to adult women as well. It's horrifying watching every woman I ever looked up to in my youth turn out like this.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Women have a problem, and that's each other.

They societally enforce the need to remain young and hip. So it doesn't surprise me that they'll troon out, but they'll do it to outdo each other.

 

[Lightning]

I don't have much of a personal connection like many in this thread, but I'll share my experience nonetheless.

So I'm a part of this community, and it has a minor troon segment. I barely ever interact with them as they and their orbiters tend to be insufferable, but there's this one MtF guy who is decent and reasonable and we have a shared fondness of cooking, reading and all sorts of nerd stuff, not completely delusional, you get it.

So the more I learn about them the more it makes me feel sad. He's this absolute ball of sadness that calls himself fat, ugly, stupid and so on, takes DIY hormones because Bongland is such a TERF island, has these severe family issues, antisocial, and talks how the hormones and surgeries will help him solve all his problems and get a cute bf or such. This has been going on for years, but if there's two good things I can say is that is they did lose a quarter of their weight and doesn't shriek about TRANS RIGHTS anywhere.

Man it just sucks to watch someone ruin themselves like that.

 

[Flexo]

Yeah. It's like they'll try to spin a narrative where trans means anything, and trans can explain all your problems and whims and wishes in life.

"So if you just do this one thing, it'll make EVERYTHING better again!" Isn't that everyone's wish?
To just have one solution to make their life instantly better, ("or if it didn't work, you didn't go far enough. but once you do IT WILL ALL BE WORTH IT!")

...and yeah, I think they do realize everyone wishes for one solution.
They think they actually found their own personal philosopher's stone to transmute poisonous lead into precious gold.

.....but it's just lead painted gold. You break it open and it's all just fucking black and grey inside.
So the ideologues then pass a prohibition against breaking the fake gold.
"Out of sight, out of mind".

1: "Here, let me show you, it's not really real gold. *cuts into it*"

2: "OMG YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT! THAT'S A CRIME! CUTTING THE GOLD IS A CRIME! DO YOU WANT TO HARM OUR GOLD?"

1: "but it's not real gold."


At least if they were fucking honest that the lead is lead, then they could go from there.
Lead has uses on its own, but pretending it is gold just opens up a danger of lead poisoning, because no one is taking proper precautions.... because they believe it is gold.

Sorry if the metaphor is annoying, but I hope you get it.

I could make you really paranoid and send you links to talks given by James Lindsay where he traces the history of communism to alchemical theories. (No joke, Marx really did believe that if you could break society you could transform it into the gold of utopia. Anyway, DM if you'd like to know more.)

Anyway, just letting you know your analogy was WAY more spot on than you probably realized.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

I've already shared about a former friend of mine, and thankfully I never actually knew any of these women in person, but it still hurts to see them fall to trans identity.Years ago when I was a regular user on DeviantArt and then migrated to Tumblr, there were many female artists I really looked up to and wanted to be like. They are all many years older than myself.

CanineHybrid (Riley) made really good looking Pokemon costumes, VerdantSculpts (Emily) made beautiful vases and pots for plants in the shapes of dragons and other things, iguanamouth (Lauren) was really funny (to me at least) and had a unique art style that reminded me of the illustrator for Roald Dahl's books, Naomi Romero has worked for big name companies like DreamWorks and has designed a very cute and successful line of merch, and Violaine Briat is a comic artist and graduate of Gobelins l'école de l'image who once sent little postcards and stickers of her characters to anyone who sent their address to her through the ask function on Tumblr (I still have them somewhere, too).

Every one of these women now either identifies as nonbinary and changed their name, have undergone a masectomy, or went full-on troon and now identify fully as men wit or without surgery and hormones. Several of them identified as lesbian or bisexual before this, whether to my knowledge at the time or not. A lot of these changes only happened within the past few years, CanineHybrid being the most recent. The other most recent changer is Noami Romero, who wants people to call her Nao - and who has a twin sister who is a TiF. Others are older, since I wasn't keeping track of them after leaving Tumblr.

It's incredibly fucked up what troonism has done to so many young women, and also women even in their 30's. I don't believe the social contagion theory applies only to teenage girls, it seems to apply to adult women as well. It's horrifying watching every woman I ever looked up to in my youth turn out like this.

Damn, iguanamouth trooned out? That's fucked up. I thought she was one of the normal ones. Guess tumblr really is contagious mental illness.

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

CanineHybrid (Riley) made really good looking Pokemon costumes, VerdantSculpts (Emily) made beautiful vases and pots for plants in the shapes of dragons and other things, iguanamouth (Lauren) was really funny (to me at least) and had a unique art style that reminded me of the illustrator for Roald Dahl's books, Naomi Romero has worked for big name companies like DreamWorks and has designed a very cute and successful line of merch, and Violaine Briat is a comic artist and graduate of Gobelins l'école de l'image who once sent little postcards and stickers of her characters to anyone who sent their address to her through the ask function on Tumblr (I still have them somewhere, too).

Is that the Riley of Foam Adventure fame?

 

[RazorBackBacon]

Is that the Riley of Foam Adventure fame?

No way the universe would be that perfect.

 

[Where's Waldo?]

Damn, iguanamouth trooned out? That's fucked up. I thought she was one of the normal ones. Guess tumblr really is contagious mental illness.

Yeah, last I remember it was just like, "Welll.... I don't actually care about gender that much, so simce everyone's bugging me about pronouns now that trannery is popular, I'll just say they/them".
I don't know if it's gone further than that. Basically just low effort, "this is freedom" type of troon supporter nowadays. It shows how the type of people you spend time around really can influence the way you see the world.

 

[Nynaeve al'Meara]

Not sure if this counts as "losing" because I stopped talking to him before he trooned out but, I once had a friend when I was in early high school who was a few years older than me and your typical enlightened atheist libtard type. We had a falling out for unrelated reasons and I got curious and poked around some social media profiles of his. He's since taken to calling himself trans and nonbinary, I think as a cope for the fact he wanted to join in on the internet oppression olympics. Since he's a white guy in a small town whose only claim to castigation is being an annoying atheist he needed to score massive points in the easiest way possible which was by putting they/them in his bios. Now he posts nonstop about trans shit between sperging about Digimon or whatever.

I was feeling a twinge of nostalgia about our conversations back in the day but seeing that made me even more thankful we don't talk anymore.

 

[Sissyagamben]

Guys, I know it is very hard, but if you think someone is worth saving, for example your sister or best friend for 10 years, please try to educate them about the harm of hormones. The horrific side effects of hormones are providing me with hope that this trend will end some day in the future when tens of thousands of ppl crash under self administered wrong sex hormones. They are not just harmless little things that changes voice/appearance, but will fuck up everything in your body from immune system, brain function AND size, not to mention reproductive and urinary system. Hormones are not quite srs, but they’d truly be better off shooting up street corner crack than wrong sex hormones.

Having a family and raising kids is so devalued by the youth today so it might not get through them how important the ability, or even the potential to make babies is for their sanity and development, and they are not going to foresee how miserable they will be after completely losing the chance to do so. It’s devastating. They will be kicked out of the human race even more so than before, and not allowed back in no matter what. Ok I’ll put the modern liberal talking point not every one blah blah blah, but it’s one thing choosing not to do so, it’s another being bereft of the ability to do so because of one stupid choice you made back in the days


If they can’t envision that, they can at least understand these:
Taking T as a female will make them have chronic, even life long uti. Their brain function will deteriorate and they can develop schizophrenia. If they have any autoimmune abnormalities before, even as mild as eczema or psoriasis, expect that to exacerbate, and potentially get a very serious life threatening one (especially if male taking estrogen). Their bone density will drop to around the lowest 2% of their age group, and they won’t be able to enjoy many physical activities they enjoy now. Taking wrong sex hormones is not just a candy pill that will let you customize your appearance, it will completely wreck your health and cripple you.


I have seen too many cases around me, not only their sanity slip away further, but they suffer from all kinds of physical aliments That weren’t there before. It’s truly one of those cases that makes you go who would have thought?? But they really didn’t. The mental slippage result not only from indulging in maladaptive delusions, it goes beyond. Their executive functioning suffers, if they could hold a job or go to school before, many of them won’t be able to keep that up. If they could keep their living space clean before, it will get worse and worse. But these might be expected of someone who has depression. Here’s the truly horrifying part: the hallucinations and schizophrenia. Many of them are not at the age where they should develop this disease, but they suddenly start seeing things, hearings things or have bizarre delusions (not just the gender) not long after starting hormones. Hormones may not seem as insidious as surgeries, but in many cases it’s a life sentence. The autoimmune disorders don’t go away, and no one is really sure if the other issues will slowly subside with time. If they can’t be persuaded not to be a moral degenerate, at least try your best, if you think they are worth it, to ask them to postpone the hormones after social transition. Persuade them to live and present completely as the sex they think they are for a year or longer before considering hormones. Maybe then they will change their minds, or hormones will be less accessible overall.

 

[MongInTheMirror]

I've lost a couple of friends and acquaintances to the troon cult at this point, and to a certain extent I've become inured to it. I can't say that I really miss any of them on a personal level, as in retrospect I've generally come to recognize that it's for the best. One of them I mentioned in an earlier post as a former friend who trooned out her underage daughter. She eventually ended up specifically asking me what I thought of the whole thing, then pitched a complete shitfit when I duly told her she was insane. She was a BPD nutcase, though, and I'd pretty much accepted months/years earlier that this confrontation was bound to happen eventually, so it was just the trash taking itself out. A few other acquaintances have cut me off for being a filthy TERF, but I can't say that I really give a shit. I know what I think and can see with my own eyes, and "but it's meeeeeean" does not constitute a counterargument.

What I actually do miss, however, is my respect for the people who have fallen for this. I have no problem with cutting contact with people for being idiots, but what actually upsets me is seeing people I used to have some modicum of respect for falling under the spell of a cult that a reasonably smart pre-teen should be able to reason their way out of. People who would consider themselves free thinkers, women who would consider themselves emancipated feminists, atheists who consider themselves above the magical thinking of those beholden to the "opiate of the masses" - all of them falling for the most egregious bullshit imaginable. It particularly blows my mind to see women who consider themselves liberated, voluntarily capitulate to definitional male domination just because the dude in question has put a wig on and is now calling themselves Linda or Zephyr or some shit. Literally the same behavior they would never hesitate to decry in a regular man, they will fall over themselves to seal clap like a retard because he got implants or put on some fucking lipstick. It's just incredible to watch, in a depressing way.

Spoiler: Personal examples

When I was younger, I went through a religious phase. Not the most traditional form of rebellion, but whatever - anyway, I used to buy these cringe self-help books by a guy called John Eldredge (I think). I say cringe, because they were premised on the most outlandish gender stereotypes possible. Women are all princesses who just want to dance in a field with kittens and do embroidery, while men all need to be domineering fishermen who do their own ATV repairs for Jesus. I recall at the time one of my friends reading just the blurb, and rolling her eyes at how reductive and extreme this stuff was, and in retrospect of course she was completely right. People aren't that simple, and most of us deviate from these archetypes to one degree or another. I thankfully matured out of my uber religious phase, while that woman is now a dyed-in-the-wool tranny ball-palmer. We once discussed the topic, briefly, and when I carefully outlined my many philosophical objections to gender ideology the only rebuttal she could muster was "but... that's obnoxious". I find it incredibly ironic that she is now the one who supports these gender stereotypes on steroids, but from the standpoint of believing that conforming to them makes you a man/woman, regardless of the material reality of your body. She doesn't see the irony herself, of course.

Another former acquaintance, who had engaged in some really detailed, protracted theological debates with me back in the day, cut me off after I posted about how ridiculous it was for bio males to be in womens' sports. Another one who considers herself a critical thinker - she had spoonfed me theory critical of some of my most closely-held beliefs at the time, and I listened to her and engaged her on every point. She was actually pretty instrumental in me eventually leaving the religion I was involved in, because I could no longer support the cognitive dissonance. Years later, when our roles were reversed, this bitch was so fucking indoctrinated by troonism herself that she couldn't even engage me on a subject as obvious as why it might not be fair for biological males to be competing in contact sports with women. She just called me a TERF and then ran off to virtue signal about realizing I was a heretic, and get asspats from her handmaiden idiot friends.

It's just insane to me that these people literally cannot see that at this point, they behave more like religious zealots than actual religious people do. I was far less dogmatic, even at the absolute height of my religious fervor.

 

[Swallow Moon]

A friend of mine, lets call him John, trooned out a while ago.

Spoiler: about John

He was a giant, maybe 6'4 and fat. I'm something of an autist myself like many in the farms, but he took the autistic cake. We both played video games together and talked about shit anime, but John hyperfixated on a lot of them.

John played a lot of MMORPGs and started e-dating someone he met on one. Long story short, they broke up and I later heard his ex e-GF was a married man. Shortly after their break up, John messages me and tells me he thinks he loves me. I was weirded out but I just told him I'm not interested and put some distance between us.

I later found out that he confessed to one more mutual friend within the week. This is where the trooning comes in, because only a short time later he had a new e-GF, who is a MtF furry. In the weeks that followed, John would message me with increasingly paranoid rants about how Trump will ruin the world, and then one day he started identifying as a catgirl, put she/her in his profiles and started retweeting furry x anime girl art.

I haven't seen him in person in two years now, and our mutual friends haven't either. Last time I checked, he was farther into trans furry twitter and was retweeting commissioned art of his and his e-GF's fursonas together.

In the last few months, a female enby has appeared in another of my friend groups, unironically using xe/xer and neopronouns. She reamed one friend for calling her a woman but still calls herself a lesbian, and she finds a way to force her being a enby into every conversation.
She isnt a friend, but could lead to the loss of a friend group.