Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Lemmingwise]

What was that like? Just an angry director plus troonism

I haven't worked on many american sets (which are much more hierarchical than dutch ones, so feel more like working in a corporation instead of a mom and pops store). From the moment she walked in (took me until I heard the voice that I could figure it was a man) I just had the instinct to stay clear of this person. Like nothing good could come from being near this person. I have had that instinct maybe five times in my life (one of the other five was also a troon).

You nailed it pretty much. Angry troon. The troons I knew were more sad. Like injured puppies. This felt more like dangerously deranged. It was a big set and I didn't need to be near, so I wasn't.

Lots of unnecessary shouting and anger. The hierarchy meant he was going to get what he wanted anyways so there was not functional need to the anger it seemed to me.

 

[Weed Eater]

My fiance's youngest sister. She's going down the nonbinary route but with how my mom in law accepts it this kid may end up going down deeper into this lunacy. It sadly started when this girl was only around ten, but it first started as "coming out as a lesbian" even though the kid hasn't really given a shit about doing anything but hide in her room watching dumb youtube/tiktok shit. It evolved into the trans bullshit once puberty started to affect her. It's obvious she's just uncomfortable, but no, god forbid you try to tell this kid otherwise.

Despite being "nonbinary" and wanting to be called a they/them, she doesn't do anything to make herself look less feminine. It's all e-girl fashion or stupid cosplay shit relating to Danganronpa. Worst part in my opinion? The girl doesn't wash her fucking hair. I've seen it be an absolute greaseball of a dyed mess and the most she'll say about it is how she "doesn't know what to do about it."

I just want to scream.

 

[Vulva Gape]

but it first started as "coming out as a lesbian" even though the kid hasn't really given a shit about doing anything but hide in her room watching dumb youtube/tiktok shit. It evolved into the trans bullshit once puberty started to affect her.

Lesbians are going extinct. So sad. Have you tried talking to your mom in law? It is uncomfortable going through puberty, being gay on top of that can make them susceptible to the gender craze.

Also, talk to your mom in law about putting some restrictions on internet access. If she's being groomed, or "cracking an egg" as they call it, you need to intervene.

 

[Weed Eater]

Lesbians are going extinct. So sad. Have you tried talking to your mom in law? It is uncomfortable going through puberty, being gay on top of that can make them susceptible to the gender craze.

That's the problem though, I don't think this kid is a lesbian. I thought I was bisexual when I was her age, and that was when the LGBT takeover was happening. People change, adapt, grow for fuck's sake. I haven't heard this kid herself tell me what she truly feels or believes for herself. Anything relating to her lesbianism has only come out from my MIL's mouth. She's just a shy sort of kid and that was made very apparent when she had a male classmate pursue her. I've said many times before that she should just be left alone, but that isn't quite of a good idea either because I've even witnessed the troon friends she's surrounded herself with now.

Kids are more fucking preoccupied with false mental health crises and their troon friends possibly "committing suicide", it's a losing battle. Yes I'm mad at the world.

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

I highly doubt I'll ever get any friends where I can be myself and honest.

Don't give up on that just yet. You're still in college, right? Life is different outside of it, hell life is different when you hit 30 and most people just want to settle down. I'm sorry you have to go through this and all your peers are falling for this retarded fad. All you can do is remember you are not the crazy one.

 

[AcidityLiquidity]

Had a friend from college troon out, for the first 3 years they seemed normal enough. Nothing crazy, like games and etc but for some reason on the final year of college they told every to call them by their female name and starting taking hormones and chopped their dick off.

Lost contact after that, not even sure if they are still alive.

 

[Dunkleosteus]

I don't have any in my friend group or my family and yet one particular ftm that I've never even met is having a negative impact on my life

Don't wanna get too specific but a long term, extremely close friend of mine has a female family member trooning out.

This particular individual will flip her absolute shit if you question her, misgender her, suggest she needs mental fucking help etc. Her behaviour is enabled by her family who is a bunch of alcoholics. She will seriously go missing for days cause someone dared not tell her she was the sexiest, gayest man alive. When she turns back up they just shrug and forget about it until she starts her shit back up again.

This shit has been impacting my friend for years, she's an anxious person normally but has been so wound up the last year or so cause she has no-one to talk to about the ftm except me cause I don't condone that shit.

I'm worried that this bitch is going to join the 41%. Not because I give a shit about it but because my friend still loves this person and them dying, even on massively bad terms, will still do a number on her.

I genuinely didn't think I could hate someone I'v never met so much but you learn new things every day I spose.

 

[Osyth Osyth]

It almost seems like cases for trooning out are mirroring cases for actual cancer. Not literally but in a “I bet everyone in the room knows someone who trooned out”. Maybe it only feels that way to me because I know what website I’m on, but still.
When did sentiments like “just be yourself!” and “accept your body” turn into “be someone else!” and “change your body” start? it will never not be crazy to me.


I knew a girl from high school. We were friends, not close in the least but I liked her enough. All my friends were into anime and were kinda loners. I only bring this up because of the yaoi to troon pipeline. She came out as a lesbian first. Which is odd, okay a lesbian super into yaoi? Whatever who cares back to Junjo Romanica we go. Junior and senior year she was obsessed with tumblr. It was around 2013 so it made sense. But I think I’m hindsight it helped her realize that no, she wasn’t a cute girl, she was a man all along.

She had some serious unwanted attention from this creep that was obsessed with her even after she came out as a lesbian. She cut her hair and was already p skinny but the guy was such a pain in the ass that he didn’t care. Our friend group tried to tell her to stop talking to him because you clearly don’t like him and we don’t either and he’s sitting w us at lunch- we hate this guy. But for some reason she wouldn’t drop him. He even went to the same college as her.

She was pretty fucking normal in my eyes until after we graduated I see she’s identifying as non-binary. That shocked me but I didn’t say anything because we broke ties after school ended. I still kept up somewhat with her socials and eventually she landed on trans masc, trans man something. It didn’t shock me too much at that point because truthfully she was pretty androgynous. Definitely an eboy type.

But... even though it all added up like this I still don’t understand how this happens to someone. I don’t keep up with her at all now. I think she left the internet. My one friend from high school that I still keep up with and that also knew her ( much better than me actually) doesn’t talk about and never really has. But we both know. It’s almost like a weird blight on your memory. I wish I could explain it better but it’s like remembering someone who died and also they never existed, but you just have this nagging feeling deep down that they did exist.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I'm not. Honestly at this point, it's been so long having friends like this (probably 6-7 years since this all started) that I'm used to it. I just know to keep my mouth bolted completely fucking shut. I highly doubt I'll ever get any friends where I can be myself and honest.

Plus I'm pretty sure any therapist would tell me I need to be more supportive of them because they're trans and victims in everything. I once had a therapist tell me she lost all respect for a client because she was a Trump supporter, and I figure this would go similarly.

Jesus Christ @ that therapist.

You might need to see a psychologist if you have insurance that allows it. They're less likely to be like that: therapy liscenses differ as do their standards, but psychs don't as much. I'm going to give 10 power level stickers to myself right now and say I see one. I am lucky to have mine, he's old and supportive of the lbgt (but stays out of politics, just supports you) but has been around since before the troon boom and has dealt with the variety of reasons people troon out, even said some were more on the gender nonconforming side or had other problems. If you're in an ultraliberal area they're harder to find, but not impossible.

You should also realize that no matter what, YOU control the appointment: if the therapist or doctor starts talking shit to you or disagrees, you can either politely change the subject and talk about something else then tell them you're incompatable and not see them again, or you can leave without saying a word mid therapy and not come back. You hold the money and the paycheck. You are looking for someone to work with you and be constructive in your corner, not them. Dunk on their ass.

And as the Emperor said, don't give up. There are a surprising amount of people who think differently than your current group. I keep my mouth shut on it on twitter but if any one of their crazy asses stepped off twitter or their college campus they would realize that more people are terfs than allies. As in, you're more likely to hear someone who says "yeah trans people are cool" thats still gonna say "no trans women don't have periods". This would piss off a lot of twitter troons but they'd be too pussy to say shit if theyre not in their little social circle. I think from the little I know of your situation youre in a not great place right now to find the variety and acceptance you crave. Lockdown will end regardless of what anyone else says, and so will college, and you will be able to choose your path. There's more people willing to accept you out there than you know, but for now, I feel you and I hope you bide your time & can find comfort in internet numbskulls here for the moment.

. The hierarchy meant he was going to get what he wanted anyways so there was not functional need to the anger it seemed to me.

Huh. There's so many factors that go into frustration and expressing it (like he could of just hate the dutch like austin power's dad lol) that it ain't worth speculating on, but its interesting to know. Glad its arranged as such so you didn't have to have too many encounters with him and everyone did their job just fine.

I'm worried that this bitch is going to join the 41%. Not because I give a shit about it but because my friend still loves this person and them dying, even on massively bad terms, will still do a number on her.

This is valid shit. Its hard not to feel for your friend when they're dealing with shit like this. I'm glad she has you on her side, hope the aiden just fucks off to another state or something where the friend doesn't have to worry anymore.

When did sentiments like “just be yourself!” and “accept your body” turn into “be someone else!” and “change your body” start? it will never not be crazy to me.

They've been discussing and debating that in the beauty parlor off topic board, its a good read.

 

[Vulva Gape]

Plus I'm pretty sure any therapist would tell me I need to be more supportive of them because they're trans and victims in everything. I once had a therapist tell me she lost all respect for a client because she was a Trump supporter, and I figure this would go similarly.

At my college, most people who get a masters in social work (they're usually called LPC or LCSW) are fed the SJW stuff in college so it might be harder to find someone who won't troon you out immediately.

Those who have PhDs in psychology though, did the hard science math stuff and are less likely to be crazies. You might want to get a PhD if you look around.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Huh. There's so many factors that go into frustration and expressing it (like he could of just hate the dutch like austin power's dad lol) that it ain't worth speculating on, but its interesting to know. Glad its arranged as such so you didn't have to have too many encounters with him and everyone did their job just fine.

Making movies is hard and anger isn't uncommon on sets (and often necessary. The infamous christian bale freakout sounded somewhat reasonable to me (though I wasn't there so hard to tell).

There are plenty of directors that get frustrated, angry and it can be conducive to the working process, instead of everyone trying to manipulate things so that their contribution comes out best.

I find it hard to put into words apparently, but this felt... malevolent to me. Like a guy constantly shouting at his dog because it doesn't do what he wants and the dog just gets more scared and stops moving and then he starts shouting harder.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Things like this make me afraid to get to know anyone. I just want to go up into the hills and sing...

to the open, lonely air.

 

[MrB]

My sister trooned out. I feel like I could have done something to stop it at some point but at this point I really couldn't give less of a shit.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

I'm not. Honestly at this point, it's been so long having friends like this (probably 6-7 years since this all started) that I'm used to it. I just know to keep my mouth bolted completely fucking shut. I highly doubt I'll ever get any friends where I can be myself and honest.

Plus I'm pretty sure any therapist would tell me I need to be more supportive of them because they're trans and victims in everything. I once had a therapist tell me she lost all respect for a client because she was a Trump supporter, and I figure this would go similarly.

Power level:
I have a super gay therapist who is involved in the area's LGBT community heavily. I had some stuff go down and was worried how he would respond because the situation involved an MTF and he actually was nothing but supportive to me and we have the kind of relationship where he will call me out on shit. Surprisingly if you can find a legit LGBT community member a lot of them are tired of the T group's shit. You'd be surprised.

The main thing with finding a therapist is the first couple may not be right for you. Dont be afraid to shop around for one, and always check reviews.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Honestly most of my liberal ass gay dem friends are looking at the T and asking "why do almost all of the trans people we know go into self destructive habits/are mentally ill? " We're all kinda nodding at each other silently about the issue unless I or another friend bring it up. Gays are just too polite and functional to say it in larger groups.

BTW: I apologize if people want to give out powerlevel or winner or autistic stickers if they think something is such, I just thought this was more deep thot self and friend analysis than general shooting the shit. If mods ever want to move it so people don't have to call this thread autistic manually I'm cool with that. Main goal of this thread is just to create a cozy place to vent and give advice, sometimes that requires powerlevling and such. I hope we at least help or com-fart a few people on the site with this.

 

[furūtsu]

Ah. Finally, a thread where I have a shitton of powerleveling to do.

I've had at least 5 friends troon out.

Spoiler

One did so within the past three years and named himself after me. shivers

Two are closeted gay/bisexual non-gender conforming men who became ~stunning and brave lesbians~ suddenly without warning. One of them used to brag about how big his dong was pre-transition and really wanted to bone me. Weird. The younger one begs me to teach him makeup and go shopping and now calls me "girl" and "hun" all the time. I find it annoying; it's an obvious LARP, and I'm more of a tomboy. I prefer being called dude, or my real name.

One is a more distant acquaintance, but I remember him always being awkward and kind of ugly. Never seemed to find his place in the world despite being a nice fellow. Gives off AGP vibes.

Another-and this is the saddest case-is a harmless gay man who was a good friend of mine in high school. He always had issues with homophobia and not being accepted, and he was always more attracted to masculine men who didn't fancy his twink self. He was also obsessed with anime and 4chan culture and is a massive stoner with severe depression. I noticed he became really distant shortly to and after he began transitioning. We haven't spoken to each other in years. Very sad, lots of great memories with that friend.

Last one I remember off the top of my head is an ancom who I met in college. He just slapped on eyeliner and called it a day, doesn't pass at all. He's severely depressed and a coomer and I expect him to rope within the next decade.

Notably, all the men above are avid gamers, coomers, anime consoomers and mentally ill prior to transition. One of them is diagnosed autistic and the one who named himself after me I suspect to have autism as well.

Even before my TERFening, I started distancing myself from all of them, and the friend groups they're within. COVID has made that even easier. Once I got over the grieving period I realized how relieved I was to no longer have to walk on eggshells or encourage their degeneracy. Not gonna lie, having to pretend they're just like me, or hell, even MORE of a woman than I am was fucking aggravating as well.

Glad that's over. Sad though.

 

[Wallace]

I've had a couple of people I know troon out. One had a serious lack of social skills and probably would have been diagnosed as autistic if he was born later. The other has some pretty severe mommy issues, and IMO he became a woman to fill this void. Both are productive members of society, so good on them, I suppose.

Troonery is a funny combination of maladaptive coping mechanism/leaderless cult.

 

[benis154262]

I'm a detransitoner myself, and I'll probably share my experiences here someday, but right now I want to vent about my friend.

My friend is the exact type of person who would fall for this shit (and to be honest, so am I, although fortunately I snapped out of it). Young, autistic, depressed white male. Autistic people are particularly vulnerable to this because they often feel a disconnect from their bodies. He's this super tall and lanky goth guy with a horseface, he could never pass. Estrogen did nothing for him. He just looks the same as before, but with tits now.

You know, I didn't hate them before this. I didn't even think about them. But now I do. I hate them so much for grooming my already vulnerable friend and so many others into pursueing such a dangerous lifestyle. It really is like a cult. They think the UFO is going to come along and turn them and Marshall Trapplewhite into cute girls, and then when they realize it isn't going to happen, they kill themselves.

Now usually I wouldn't give a shit if he was happy and wasn't hurting anyone. But here's the thing. He isn't happy. He wasn't happy before, and he isn't now. Pretty much everyone who transitions has deep underlying psychological issues, ones that certainly will not be cured by sterilizing yourself and chopping off your genitals, that doctors are willing to ignore because they are corrupt and want your money. The medical industry is shameless about this. They see trans people as pawns and cash cows.

I am terrified that one day I'm going to wake up one day and find out that killed himself. He already expressed suicidal thoughts to me before he transitioned. In fact, I'm almost sure he will. As fucked up as it sounds, I've sort of come to peace with it now. I'm certain he would cut off all contact with me if I tried to convince him to stop. Not only would I be losing my friendship with him, there is also a risk of losing my career. See, we are both musicians involved in a tight-knit DIY scene that is very SJW, and if he's mad at me he could just make a tweet about me being transphobic and boom, everyone in the scene would distance themselves from me immediately.

I apologize for being overdramatic. But it really does feel like I've lost someone. I feel so helpless. It's like watching an Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers type scenario play out in real life.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

I don't associate with fags unless I'm stomping one into a mudhole

 

[teriyakiburns]

It's like watching an Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers type scenario play out in real life.

That's been my feeling all along with this tranny stuff. Watching people just transform one day, like someone hollowed out their heads and dropped in an uncanny-valley, artificial personality that almost acts like them, except it keeps repeating the same mantras over and over. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, but it's just not happening.