Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Bad Take Crucifier]

Gay men at risk of trooning out need a hard look at https://www.neovaginadisasters.com/ (contains the links to SRS pics, very NSFL/NSFW)

You cannot possibly look at these and tell yourself it looks good. Most of these people lose all genital feeling, too. It's one of the worst things you could possibly do to your body, doctors do NOT have the ability to make a real vagina, the technology just doesn't exist. Ask if the coin toss of ending up with one of these is a good risk to take.

 

[Doppio Vinegar]

I feel it's a good time to tell my story here. I lost my best friend to transgenderism, specifically nonbinary. Let's call her B.

I called B my "mini-me." She was two or three youngers than me, but she liked all the same things I did- the same animes, the same vidya, all that. She was a tomboy through and through despite liking stereotypically feminine things every now and then- who doesn't? Thing is, B came from a broken, divorced home with a father that cares more about his new wife than his daughter and a mother who is a drunkard Jehovah's Witness... you can start to see the problem. She doesn't know how to wash her hair, leaves trash everywhere, is completely fine with ants living in her cereal. I don't fault B for any of this. Her family is shit.

Two years ago, B was a "perfectly normal" girl who used Tumblr for art and Discord for talking with her friends, me included. She began to go by she/they pronouns for a while, then went to exclusively they/them. I was fine with that! She was my best friend, and I was going to support her through whatever I could. I got busy with my school and we fell out of contact... and then I checked back up with her two or so months ago to find out she doesn't even go by they/them anymore. She exclusively uses "neopronouns." She's a self-described "lesbian, aro-spec & asexual polyamorous bigender" who goes by xe/xem, lea/leafs, sol/sun, and way more.

B also claims to be a DID system (here's a thread ridiculing systems for those who are unaware of what they are). Instead of just having several nicknames she wants to be referred to, she claims that every single nickname is a different sentience living in her head. I know for a fact that, despite her homelife being shit, she never suffered trauma that would warrant DID forming as a coping mechanism/protective measure. I put up with the neopronouns, but her faking DID was what made me cut her off altogether.

B, if you ever find this thread and this post, I'm so, so disappointed in you. You were such a bright young girl with brilliant artistic abilities. You don't have to live this type of life just to fit in and be accepted in Discord/Tumblr groups. You're not even 18 yet. You don't have to live this life.

 

[Ser Prize]

So another piece fell into place about my trooning-out sister. She's seeing this 'guy'(FTM) now. This 'guy' already is post-op on top. I had no idea there were so many trannies around here.

 

[Mr. 0]

So another piece fell into place about my trooning-out sister. She's seeing this 'guy'(FTM) now. This 'guy' already is post-op on top. I had no idea there were so many trannies around here.

get off your ass and save your sister. start whupping tranny ass and upload the beatdown here

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

So another piece fell into place about my trooning-out sister. She's seeing this 'guy'(FTM) now. This 'guy' already is post-op on top. I had no idea there were so many trannies around here.

Sounds like she doesn't want to be a lesbian, so she identifies as a man to date another 'man' in a 'homosexual' relationship. Or maybe this person was grooming her?

 

[Aunt Carol]

Sounds like she doesn't want to be a lesbian, so she identifies as a man to date another 'man' in a 'homosexual' relationship. Or maybe this person was grooming her?

Not really grooming in a pair of adults, just someone latching on to her next North Star and forming a personality around them because she can't be a person on her own.

Different thought and I'm not suggesting anyone do this, but it's funny how nobody ever takes these girly FtMs outside and starts to catch them up on learning car maintenance. Everyone's a dude until it's time to do dude shit.

 

[okwhyamidoingthis]

[I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T READ - MATERIAL FOR SHATTERING GIRLS' ILLUSIONS ABOUT MALE CONDITION: get the name, donwload it and sent who you think it would be helpful to]

@Aunt Carol's post reminded me of a book that can help people who are struggling with girls thinking about transitioning.

Norah Vincent is a journalist (and lesbian: this is an important detail in this case) who adopted a male identity for 18 months. 'Self-Made Man: My Year Disguised as a Man' is the book she describes the experience. I add that she had to enter a mental hospital after she finished writing. If you have heard about 'Yentl', Barbra Streisand movie on which a girl pretends to be a man in order to keep studying, its story was taken from a book on which the girl actually ends up going insane. The premisse of Yentl the book is experienced by Norah:

"In the book, she describes her experiences as a man in strip clubs, on dates, and as part of a men's support group. (...)
Vincent joined a men's bowling team, where she says "[the men] just took me in ... no questions asked." She eventually became friends with them, even coming along to strip clubs and dating women who had no idea of her true gender. She later revealed that she was actually female to the men, who "took it well." (...)

Vincent asserts that, since the experiment, she has gained more sympathy for the male condition, stating, "Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together."

Vincent asserts that, since the experiment, she has more fully realized the benefits of being female and the disadvantages of being male, stating, "I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege."[6]

My intention is not get into that old discussion about who has it worse (although I find useful discussing specific concrete problems), but give a resource that can be useful in the situation some people are presenting. The book is available in pdf in Libgen.is and Z-lib.

If you can somewhow make the girls read - or at least be curious about it - I think that could help them not only reconsider, but achieve some maturity. This detachment ability - not to disconnect, but to conect by taking the other's experience as sincere, therefore worth of hearing, is a huge part of getting out of hate, of cults, of material solutions for 'nous' problems and of finding community and healthy relationships (with the same and with the opposite sex as well). I believe women in general, especially young ones, would benefit from reading this book because it touches points that their fathers wouldn't dare to tell them the truth about, such is the naturality (and stigma) around male struggles. Kate Bush sweetly called attention to this in 'Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God), whose lyrics manifest a desire to understand and be understood by men. If your girl friends want to look edgy or smart, you can also use this song to engage them.

Let's fight the cultural war, friends. Think about it as already won because reality is the ultimate judge. As confrontations and other direct forms (that is: 'solar' forms, appealing to the conscious that always believes itsself to be all there is) mostly end up unproductive, finding ways of demonstrating this reality for them (appealling to the pains and blind spots they can't seen themselves, as any human being, but even more blinded by positive peer reinforcement, ego defense and pseudo-knowledge) can be useful, even if not immediately. It can bring up questionings and lower confidence in their made up answers, and maybe these questions can prevent drastic attitudes.

I'm sorry for the pain you face as you watch your acquaintainces go through this. It's beautiful to see how you care about them, and someday they will see it for what it is. I wish you the best.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

@okwhyamidoingthis there is a mini-documentary of Nora Vincent's experiment. It's a good watch. She found that she had made a lot of assumptions about what life is like for men, and it's a good lesson in why we shouldn't assume we know what it's like to live as the opposite sex.

 

[Julie Newmar]

@okwhyamidoingthis there is a mini-documentary of Nora Vincent's experiment. It's a good watch. She found that she had made a lot of assumptions about what life is like for men, and it's a good lesson in why we shouldn't assume we know what it's like to live as the opposite sex.

Thank you for bringing up the mini-doc! My wife and I are going to watch it I’m sure and I plan on reading the book.
Also @okwhyamidoingthis that song gets me every time. The Meg Myers cover puts a lump in my throat.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I'm glad to see positive suggestions and people doing their beat to help others in this thread, whether it's farmer to trans or farmer to farmer. Keep it up and godspeed, kiwis.

 

[Ser Prize]

get off your ass and save your sister. start whupping tranny ass and upload the beatdown here

They're discord trannies, otherwise I would.

Not really grooming in a pair of adults, just someone latching on to her next North Star and forming a personality around them because she can't be a person on her own.

Different thought and I'm not suggesting anyone do this, but it's funny how nobody ever takes these girly FtMs outside and starts to catch them up on learning car maintenance. Everyone's a dude until it's time to do dude shit.

Thought about doing this. Bumping into her, Shoulder checking her. Punching her in a shoulder and be all "What's up? That's what brothers do"

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

Thank you for bringing up the mini-doc! My wife and I are going to watch it I’m sure and I plan on reading the book.

Nora is far more intelligent about gender roles in society, than many of these so-called gender experts today. Nora actually studied what happens in real life. Many people, whether they're those gender-studies majors in the colleges, or Marxist-feminists, or the MGTOW and incel types, they usually come from a selfish perspective, and there's a lot of projection and hatred.

This might be a good contrast. A non-crazy, non-SJW transwoman who talks about what changed in life, specifically how others treated her after transitioning.

 

[Vingle]

This might be a good contrast. A non-crazy, non-SJW transwoman who talks about what changed in life, specifically how others treated him after transitioning.

Tranny still looks a man and have the typical troon-voice that sounds nothing like a woman I've ever heard.
Cute of him to talk about woman issues, when he's clearly a biological male

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

Tranny still looks a man and have the typical troon-voice that sounds nothing like a woman I've ever heard.
Cute of him to talk about woman issues, when he's clearly a biological male

Troon is short for trans goon, or trans-coomers. They're obviously a biological male. But, it's quite refreshing to hear a transwoman talk about their sudden awareness of what male privilege actually is, having it, losing it, still sort of having it compared to bio-women. All this as opposed to whining about how lesbians won't fuck them and how TERFs are evil murderers.

 

[Zebedee]

Forgotten if I’ve shared, but I know of one and it was very sudden (MtF), namely my cousin. Not one of us ever suspected anything was amiss, since we never saw any of the behaviour you’d expect from a person who was actually going through it.

I did once have a quick look at their laptop whilst it was open, and saw that they had Tumblr, Discord and Twitter as the most recent sites that they’d visited. Didn’t exactly take a genius to figure out where they’d got those ideas from, because I bet my bottom dollar that it wasn’t their own.

Stupidest thing is that they don’t even dress or act like a Troon, they just demand to be referred to as a she. Like… You’re supposed to at least put some fucking effort into fabricating a lie, so surely if it’s something this big then the same rule applies?

Honestly I think they’ve just fell into the same stupid crap as other idiots online and think it’s the only way to make them feel special. It’s easy to fake something behind a computer screen after all. At this point I’m beyond caring for their decisions, if they’re hellbent on looking like a clown then whatever man.

 

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[Slap47]

Troon is short for trans goon, or trans-coomers. They're obviously a biological male. But, it's quite refreshing to hear a transwoman talk about their sudden awareness of what male privilege actually is, having it, losing it, still sort of having it compared to bio-women. All this as opposed to whining about how lesbians won't fuck them and how TERFs are evil murderers.

I believe this definition has actually changed in most places.

People now usually use the term to refer to especially ugly transwomen. They know nothing about something awful.

I believe a certain thread on this forum may have contributed to this change...

 

[Free the Pedos]

This implies a high level of femininity, which could be learned behavior or maybe enhanced by certain types of birth control (maybe Yaz or Alesse?).

Is this a joke or are you dumb enough to think that if a man took birth control, it would impart a lifetime of female socialization?

 

[ReturnedHermit]

Is this a joke or are you dumb enough to think that if a man took birth control, it would impart a lifetime of female socialization?

Different types of birth control have very different long-term effects on the brain. These days, most women are using highly localized applications of hormonal birth control like Nuvaring which will (in theory) isolate the rest of the body from the effects of the hormones. The most common pills being used are considered "combined hormonal pills" but there are two other forms of 'the pill,' those are "progesterone only" and "extended or continuous use pill." Over time the amount and type of hormones used has changed overall trending towards less total hormone use.

So let's take a look at these three types of pill, since many men will assume they are all the same:

1. Combined Hormone - "girl boss birth control" There are many different types of combined hormone with varying dosages, so generalizing them is difficult. Some of these pills have been found to change a woman's brain structure to be closer to that of a man after continued use. Some women have self reported permanent sterility after using these pills for 10~ years or so. This is the pill you want to take in college when: immediate knowledge of BC failure is advantageous, breast size reduction is disadvantageous, and the glass ceiling must be shattered. Some women get suicidal on these pills, but others report it being the best across the board.

2. Progesterone Only - "big titty birth control" This is what they prescribe when you are in a low income neighborhood or getting "free birth control" through some mechanism. This results in lower IQ according to some Dutch study, but only a few points so no biggie. If your gf switches to this kind of BC you will notice moodiness and some general weight gain in the short term.

3. Continous Use - "girl boss birth control with just a tiny amount of plan B instead of progestin" You know your gf is on this stuff when she talks about only having a period once every few months, mentions bleeding a lot whenever they do get their period, or spotting. Breasts might shrink, vaginal dryness is common, and if you are 3 hours late on taking the pill you can get pregnant.

Now, you may say to yourself "Why would any man care about this?" and that's a fair point. The short version is: I like large breasts and dislike women with masculine tendencies.

 

[Vingle]

I like large breasts and dislike women

Luckily for you, all male kiwis are obese basement dwellers.