Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Govt. Shitposting Machine]

I've posted about the lesbian weeb friend earlier before and god just seeing her go down this path 20x harder than she did in the past is fucking depressing. She was already planning on getting HRT but had trouble up until about a couple months ago.
We're really losing an entire generation of people, women especially. Just look at this shit.
In no less than 3 months after 100% deciding she's a man, baby! she's already:
* hopped jobs like 10 times, her longest lasting being 9 days this month
* in debt from packers and kpop albums & photo cards (no joke)
* speaking of debt she barely has money for food half of the time and passes out from eating only tortilla and cheese some weeks
* used to smoke only weed but seems to have a variety of addiction to other pills that she vagueblogs about
* gotten doctors to speedrun her testosterone prescription and wonders why her health is declining rapidly
* changed her politicals views on a daily basis to the point it's given others whiplash (extreme right, extreme left, extreme centrist??? i don't know it's insanity she just mirrors what the MtF around her say)

She claims this is her at her happiest, and that her "TERF-self" before was just her being an egg (despite the fact she's said before she's gender critical for getting raped by a MtF).
That she's just living her best life 'cause look, she's at a gay bar with real gays! And then cry-types later on about how she doesn't feel like a real man.
And instead of talking about her hobbies like before, she has none besides what I dub "lesbian yearning" where she cries nobody wants to fuck a FTM.
Then she cries about being diagnosed with Bipolar I, like no shit retard look at you. You're a mess.
But she's really happy guys, so she's fine!

Mind you this woman was on her way to becoming 100% fully independent, not on as many drugs, actually had interests in a career field (animals or robotics) and other hobbies (art and selfhosting). Now it's all about becoming the K-Pop boy. She could have actually *been* something and I'm watching a fucking slow motion trainwreck on fire. I don't even know where she's living right now because her parents kicked her out or some shit.
And every woman I've met with non stereotypical female interests for lack of better term, they're all fucking like this. Then society wonder why there's no women in STEM, in construction, in literally any field with more men then women, because they've all decided to become "men".
Very cool trans agenda

Also she keeps telling everyone about the irl fanfic she's reading like this is fucking gross i don't wanna see kim ye be pop suck tong longs shitty dong's smh this is the real reason why society is dying and women are trooning out by allah stop these kpoopers

 

[AMHOLIO]

I've posted about the lesbian weeb friend earlier before and god just seeing her go down this path 20x harder than she did in the past is fucking depressing. She was already planning on getting HRT but had trouble up until about a couple months ago.
We're really losing an entire generation of people, women especially. Just look at this shit.
In no less than 3 months after 100% deciding she's a man, baby! she's already:
* hopped jobs like 10 times, her longest lasting being 9 days this month
* in debt from packers and kpop albums & photo cards (no joke)
* speaking of debt she barely has money for food half of the time and passes out from eating only tortilla and cheese some weeks
* used to smoke only weed but seems to have a variety of addiction to other pills that she vagueblogs about
* gotten doctors to speedrun her testosterone prescription and wonders why her health is declining rapidly
* changed her politicals views on a daily basis to the point it's given others whiplash (extreme right, extreme left, extreme centrist??? i don't know it's insanity she just mirrors what the MtF around her say)

She claims this is her at her happiest, and that her "TERF-self" before was just her being an egg (despite the fact she's said before she's gender critical for getting raped by a MtF).
That she's just living her best life 'cause look, she's at a gay bar with real gays! And then cry-types later on about how she doesn't feel like a real man.
And instead of talking about her hobbies like before, she has none besides what I dub "lesbian yearning" where she cries nobody wants to fuck a FTM.
Then she cries about being diagnosed with Bipolar I, like no shit exceptional individual look at you. You're a mess.
But she's really happy guys, so she's fine!

Mind you this woman was on her way to becoming 100% fully independent, not on as many drugs, actually had interests in a career field (animals or robotics) and other hobbies (art and selfhosting). Now it's all about becoming the K-Pop boy. She could have actually *been* something and I'm watching a fucking slow motion trainwreck on fire. I don't even know where she's living right now because her parents kicked her out or some shit.
And every woman I've met with non stereotypical female interests for lack of better term, they're all fucking like this. Then society wonder why there's no women in STEM, in construction, in literally any field with more men then women, because they've all decided to become "men".
Very cool trans agenda

Also she keeps telling everyone about the irl fanfic she's reading like this is fucking gross i don't wanna see kim ye be pop suck tong longs shitty dong's smh this is the real reason why society is dying and women are trooning out by allah stop these kpoopers

My deepest condolences. No one wants the worst case yaoi kpop fan scenario to happen. Also having a recently diagnosed bipolar 1 on testosterone is pouring gasoline onto a raging fire, jesus christ.

I feel lucky, I know several other chicks my age with nonfeminine hobbies that remained chicks and still hang together: we're still out there, we're still holding on, & I hope you can find more women who do the same out there

 

[Ser Prize]

I don't know if we should stop transitioning completely:

Do you think we should give anorexic people liposuction?

 

[mario if smoke weed]

* hopped jobs like 10 times, her longest lasting being 9 days this month

What kind of jobs?? How is she getting ten jobs wtf

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

I've posted about the lesbian weeb friend earlier before and god just seeing her go down this path 20x harder than she did in the past is fucking depressing. She was already planning on getting HRT but had trouble up until about a couple months ago.
We're really losing an entire generation of people, women especially. Just look at this shit.
In no less than 3 months after 100% deciding she's a man, baby! she's already:
* hopped jobs like 10 times, her longest lasting being 9 days this month
* in debt from packers and kpop albums & photo cards (no joke)
* speaking of debt she barely has money for food half of the time and passes out from eating only tortilla and cheese some weeks
* used to smoke only weed but seems to have a variety of addiction to other pills that she vagueblogs about
* gotten doctors to speedrun her testosterone prescription and wonders why her health is declining rapidly
* changed her politicals views on a daily basis to the point it's given others whiplash (extreme right, extreme left, extreme centrist??? i don't know it's insanity she just mirrors what the MtF around her say)

She claims this is her at her happiest, and that her "TERF-self" before was just her being an egg (despite the fact she's said before she's gender critical for getting raped by a MtF).
That she's just living her best life 'cause look, she's at a gay bar with real gays! And then cry-types later on about how she doesn't feel like a real man.
And instead of talking about her hobbies like before, she has none besides what I dub "lesbian yearning" where she cries nobody wants to fuck a FTM.
Then she cries about being diagnosed with Bipolar I, like no shit exceptional individual look at you. You're a mess.
But she's really happy guys, so she's fine!

Mind you this woman was on her way to becoming 100% fully independent, not on as many drugs, actually had interests in a career field (animals or robotics) and other hobbies (art and selfhosting). Now it's all about becoming the K-Pop boy. She could have actually *been* something and I'm watching a fucking slow motion trainwreck on fire. I don't even know where she's living right now because her parents kicked her out or some shit.
And every woman I've met with non stereotypical female interests for lack of better term, they're all fucking like this. Then society wonder why there's no women in STEM, in construction, in literally any field with more men then women, because they've all decided to become "men".
Very cool trans agenda

Also she keeps telling everyone about the irl fanfic she's reading like this is fucking gross i don't wanna see kim ye be pop suck tong longs shitty dong's smh this is the real reason why society is dying and women are trooning out by allah stop these kpoopers

I'm so sorry. That was hard to read, I can't imagine what it's like going through it.

PL, I'm from a working class background and I knew many women who did physical labour and 'man's work' growing up, it was pretty normal. In my circles I never felt any judgement on whether my interests or hobbies were gender-appropriate, no one really cared. So it's very difficult for me to understand why these girls feel like they are so judged(?) for their interests or career choices that they need to troon out.
I can't decide if it's society that has changed and gives these young women too much shit, or if it is young women who have become so much more insecure and navel-gazing. Maybe it's both, with a nice social media sauce.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Do you think we should give anorexic people liposuction?

Yes

The truth is I rather not have anyone transition, but if old school troons lived for years and years under the radar without too much incident on their emotional health, I don't know if we need to cancel all transitioning (genitals for sure banned though). I'd be in favor of a 20 year ban on transitioning so we can focus and see if other stuff is more effective (very likely) at treating dysphoria. If at the end of 20 years we have a minority of TRUE and HONEST trans people needing to hide as men or women by dressing as the opposite sex, you know what, I'm fine with that. Ideally, it would be a tiny portion of a tiny portion, with as many AGPs, trooncoomers, and broken people filtered out as possible. If we could get 90% of the people who want to transition proper help from pills and therapy, I'd be good with that, even if it isn't the ideal 100%. The problem is that the cat's out of the bag now: there's too many troons who tasted gender euphoria, only a generation or two of showing the consequences of transitioning and the benefits of therapy would stuff the genie back into the closet. A 100% ban on transitioning would be the best solution but hard as hell to implement.

Also, I'm divided on Autogynophiles having bottom surgery: I truly rather not have doctors and troons enabled, but as a Kiwi I can't help but snicker when they lose their sex drive.

 

[Govt. Shitposting Machine]

What kind of jobs?? How is she getting ten jobs wtf

It turns out help desk jobs are very deseperate and will take even the schizoest of people. Gives me hope for jobless kiwis at least lmao
Though now I think she's just a cashier and that probably won't last long because she's already having meltdowns about her coworkers being unable to pronounce her K-Pop male name (she's filipino and picked some shit like Joon instead of something more fitting) and calling her a "pretty young lady".

I can't decide if it's society that has changed and gives these young women too much shit, or if it is young women who have become so much more insecure and navel-gazing. Maybe it's both, with a nice social media sauce.

I've said this in another shitpost thread but it's more like this negative feedback loop between coomers and companies that ultimately just want ladies to do more weird and depraved shit, but instead of speaking up about it, they transition because it's the only option that's been presented to them.
Most womens politics at least in America and I'm assuming several parts of Europe have focused on the "anything a woman can do is valid" angle too hard, so when things like OnlyFans and plastic surgeries are being pushed heavily onto them and they instinctivly feel like it's wrong, they can't speak up about it because doing so basically socially ostracizes you. You don't wanna be an ultra sexist now do you? And if you don't feel like partaking in such activities, then you must be a man! No inbetweens, no gray areas, it's all or nothing.
They don't realize they can just *be* and not give into this shit.
Just like all the free ducks you can take in the park, companies, doctors, corporations, politicians, whomestever etc all don't want you to know you can just...stop engaging with this insanity of either whoring yourself out or taking sketch chemicals.
Shit makes me worried for my younger female family members man. I coulda worded this a lot better but I'm not the best at describing political related shenanigans like some of you here

 

[mario if smoke weed]

Has anyone here been a part of a gaming community and then left for a couple of years only to come back to see that several prominent members have completely trooned out? It really fucked me up to learn that some of my bros had become infected with this mind virus. One of them was a pretty effeminate korean dude but the other was a greek guy and from chatting with him I know that his parents would have been so upset about it.

I had a gaming group where at least three people I was good friends with trooned out, likely completely. Haven't talked to them in a year and I was considering trying to reach out to them, but they probably want nothing to do with me. Really crushed me to see these people who I genuinely gave a shit about about turn out like that. I'm sorry you had a similar experience and hope you've found some new bros.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Has anyone here been a part of a gaming community and then left for a couple of years only to come back to see that several prominent members have completely trooned out? It really fucked me up to learn that some of my bros had become infected with this mind virus. One of them was a pretty effeminate korean dude but the other was a greek guy and from chatting with him I know that his parents would have been so upset about it.

Yep, though it was just a few weeks absence in my case. I posted about it a ways back in the thread.

 

[EiTC]

I think a lot of what's happened with young girls especially, "transitioning" (acting like they're men/genderspecial online, but in real life maybe at most cut their hair short and wear button ups and sports bras) is a mixture of the trans community leeching onto the LGB movement the way it did, coupled with some internalized sexism.

Personally, I have a lot more sympathy for the general FtM than MtF (though there's plenty of examples of insane FtMs, a lot of them are kool-aid drunk cock-worshippers) simply because a lot of them seem to have taken what they feel is the path of least resistance to getting away from gender role expectations forced on them. Most of the troons I've known wound up being of the FtM variety, I assume mostly because the general trans "woman" is an insufferable fetishist, whereas trans "men," I can understand a bit more that they're likely naively uninformed and bought into something that made them feel better in the moment and was trendy.

Of the friends I've had who've trooned out, a couple have been alright and truly seemed to use some critical thinking on if what they chose to do with their life and body was the correct decision. But several people, who are always the "gender can be anything!" crazy nonbinary variety, are simply hard to be around.
I'm aware tranny sympathy is a bit of an unpopular opinion, but it's difficult to hate the ones who got sucked into the idea if you aren't overtly feminine and nurturing, obviously you're a man. I hope they just realize their mistake before it's too late and work to mitigate the damage trans activism has done before too many get hurt.


sorry if this was a bit windy/OT
* edited for spelling/grammar

 

[Aunt Carol]

A little bit off-topic, but what would you folks recommend to gently ensure a grandmother is peak trans'd?

She's already skeptical of troons from IRL encounters but in the go-along-to-get-along phase, loves to listen to audiobooks while knitting and doing chores, and has only granddaughters. (Granddaughters are young with no danger signs, but do have woke parents. Grandma has expressed exasperation with keeping up with various boycotts, and confided to me that she's still buying the granddaughters Oreos.)

I think a professionally-recorded audiobook on physical CD would seem the most credible to a young Boomer; podcasts are great but once you email someone a list of links, you start looking like you're the crazy person.

I haven't read Irreversible Damage yet, but I'm thinking that's the most likely, mostly because it's focused on girls.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

A little bit off-topic, but what would you folks recommend to gently ensure a grandmother is peak trans'd?

She's already skeptical of troons from IRL encounters but in the go-along-to-get-along phase, loves to listen to audiobooks while knitting and doing chores, and has only granddaughters. (Granddaughters are young with no danger signs, but do have woke parents. Grandma has expressed exasperation with keeping up with various boycotts, and confided to me that she's still buying the granddaughters Oreos.)

I think a professionally-recorded audiobook on physical CD would seem the most credible to a young Boomer; podcasts are great but once you email someone a list of links, you start looking like you're the crazy person.

I haven't read Irreversible Damage yet, but I'm thinking that's the most likely, mostly because it's focused on girls.

Irreversible Damage is an approachable read. Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality by Helen Joyce is also. The End of Gender by Dr Debra Soh is too. Gender Paradox by Zachary Elliott is a more academic read, but its comprehensive.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Irreversible Damage is an approachable read. Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality by Helen Joyce is also. The End of Gender by Dr Debra Soh is too. Gender Paradox by Zachary Elliott is a more academic read, but its comprehensive.

I definitely don't want to bust in and say "hey, you wanna know what the queers are up to? here's homework."

I'm reading Material Girls and it's dry as a bone. My target audience likes Dear Abby and Can This Marriage Be Saved. Trainwreck gossipy anecdote stuff, but I did already say"grandma."

 

[Marvin]

A little bit off-topic, but what would you folks recommend to gently ensure a grandmother is peak trans'd?

She's already skeptical of troons from IRL encounters but in the go-along-to-get-along phase, loves to listen to audiobooks while knitting and doing chores, and has only granddaughters. (Granddaughters are young with no danger signs, but do have woke parents. Grandma has expressed exasperation with keeping up with various boycotts, and confided to me that she's still buying the granddaughters Oreos.)

I think a professionally-recorded audiobook on physical CD would seem the most credible to a young Boomer; podcasts are great but once you email someone a list of links, you start looking like you're the crazy person.

I haven't read Irreversible Damage yet, but I'm thinking that's the most likely, mostly because it's focused on girls.

Definitely Irreversible Damage. It is very accessible to people who might not have the academic credentials (read: autism and time to invest in a gender studies degree) but still have an intuitive, intelligent understanding of how adolescent girls think and the pressures they're under. So perfect for grandmothers. Honestly, I'm considering sending a copy to all my legislators.

Also no joking, but with some people, it might be helpful to mention that Abigail Schrier is Jewish, simply because that can forestall the inevitable "right wing propaganda" argument.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

I used to be close friends with someone who was a very energetic and open person before she began HRT and transitioning. Slowly she seemed to lose all the personality and life she had until finally I could barely get her to speak beyond telling me how her day went. It was like talking to a hollow puppet given the vaguest facsimile of life.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Definitely Irreversible Damage. It is very accessible to people who might not have the academic credentials (read: autism and time to invest in a gender studies degree) but still have an intuitive, intelligent understanding of how adolescent girls think and the pressures they're under. So perfect for grandmothers. Honestly, I'm considering sending a copy to all my legislators.

Thanks. I'm going to read it first, but this book does look like it has the best tack, since it's girls that she's going to be worried about. I really don't want her to come away thinking "well the trans people are crazy and full of jargon, but so are the anti-trans people."

It's also available as a physical CD audiobook, which is another person-specific selling point here. (The bonus is that there's an unofficial lending library of audiobooks in the local grandma population, so a copy could circulate pretty widely.)

 

[What the shit]

When I was in elementary school, I knew this girl named Ellie. We we're good friends since we had classes together and we also were in an afterschool club. I had a crush on her too.

Moving along onto middle school, she goes to a magnet school about 15 minutes away because why the hell not. I found her Instagram and we caught up and spoke to each other. I think it was around 8th grade when she stopped talking to me but I can't recall much, but I know she was the one freaking out over something I said.

Moving onto high school, I try to search her up on Instagram again just to snoop around and low and behold, her name is Mike now. She went to an art school in high school which makes things so much more funnier because it reinforces the idea that liberal art's is the stereotypical pathway to anything troon or fag related nowadays.

Fuck you Ellie. You're a woman, not a man.
E. I thought I'd add, she's a BLM activist, posing with leather jackets of the logo for it, so she pretty much is a faggot beyond saving. Only time will tell whether she will 41% in Minecraft.

 

[Ophelia Jones]

Person 1: Knew this girl back in high school. she was the stereotype tumblr Yaoi fan. I got the vibes that she wanted to fuck the twink anime guy, so she became the twink anime guy. She really tried to get me into watching anime because we had most of our classes together but didn't happen. We had MANY arguments because i'd makes jokes all the time that she deemed "micro aggressions" or too political. Anyway, saw her at a reunion recently, She has a beard with the consistency of pubic hair and a completely fucked up voice.

Person 2: This is much more recent. This shy (kinda spergy) dainty gay guy friend of mine suddenly trooned out. He's brilliantly smart and studies astrophysics. He always had the anarco-communist political views, you'll find on reddit. It made me feel real bad, watching his downfall.

Person 3: Person three was "outed" by person 2 the same night person 2 came out to our other friends. It was a massive shitshow for some reason. He's depressed, very self conscious, over-talks and babbles because he's anxiety in carnet. Overall a sweet guy though, studies Jazz music and plays amazing piano. But he's been growing out his hair n shit snd visibly taking hormones (his voice has been getting more high pitched, making his anxiety ramblings more infuriating)

Anyway, it feels shit watching this happen and not being able to say anything out of politeness or friendship.

 

[Ron Jeremy Stan Account]

Well, the time has finally come, Kiwis: I never thought it would happen to me, but a man I used to know just trooned out. Get ready for some atomic powerleveling!

So the other day I got a friend request on my Facebook profile, and their profile photo thumbnail appeared to be some really ugly woman to whom I didn’t recognize, nor did I recognize her first name (albeit her last name sounded familiar). I viewed “her” profile, scrolled through, noticed she was extremely ugly and had uploaded tons of selfies covered in filters, and in addition her content was mainly some token GoFundMe links for various progressive causes. I looked some more and saw we had some mutual friends, and after scrolling through their timeline further, I finally realized it: it was a fucking guy I graduated high school with almost 20 years ago and is now a tranny!

Figuratively speaking my jaw nearly hit the floor in shock. Not only was this man a terrible, non-passing tranny – like, we’re talking man with five O’clock shadow and wig – but when I knew them in school, they were very, very masculine. In fact, the original guy in particular was absolutely massive for his age, and he was notorious as being the really tall kid in our school. I don’t know his exact height, but he was well over 6’5’’ as a teenager and stood out like a sore thumb among the other kids. Also the last time I ever spoke with him was in our early 20s when he recently had a daughter with his then-girlfriend. So bear in mind that not only did he troon out, but he’s also a parent; I wonder what kind of effect that had on his daughter.

He wasn’t exactly a normie nor an athletic jock despite his staggering height. He was actually kind of a weird kid who was a proto-hipster in the early 2000s when the hipster subculture was beginning to get big. A couple more powerlevels, but he was also a wannabe musician who recorded these low-quality rap songs for his MySpace page way back in the days before YouTube or Soundcloud. It’s hard to explain, but he was just kind of this strange oddball esoteric artist type who stood at a whopping height, and had big hands and feet. With that said, while he was never a “regular” kind of person, he never really struck me as suffering from mental health.

What’s even just as pathetic is how not that he’s a “woman”, he acts like a basic White bitch by using those retarded animal face Snapchat filters on his Facebook photos along with stupid captions like, “lol I’m such a cute bunny!”

Fortunately he wasn’t really a friend – more like a friend-of-a-friend, but he and I have hung out before when we were teens and a few times at bars in our early 20s after graduation when he was in college. So again, he certainly wasn’t a close family member nor a childhood friend, so basically my disappointment in his trooning out is less of a personal blow and more of an absurd shock.

Here’s a bonus fact: I was going through his – er, her friends’ list to see what other mutual friends we had in common, and I noticed several other obvious trannies who looked familiar and graduated from our same high school. I didn’t bother to dig into their timelines nor stare at them long enough to figure out who they used to be, but they did in fact look familiar. All are obviously unpassable MtF trannies with heavily filtered photos and frequent uploads of trans rights junk on their profiles to constantly remind you they’re trans (you know, as if the masculine jawline and beard stubble weren’t enough indication).

 

[Crabbo]

Random poll question.
What is the prevalence of autism in troons?