Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Juju Makes a Man]

@Juju Makes a Man I got to the bit where she says "I'm wondering if you're trying to figure something out about yourself through these questions" and sort of curled up inside. She's reading from a script, likely learned in some discord cult group. It's how they proselytised her and how she was then trying to proselytise you.

Yeah, I figured. ower level: She sent me this last night (essentially calling me and her father transphobic).

Spoiler: Questioning = TERF, ok

I don't know how to respond (or even if I should) and, honestly, I'm not in the mood to tolerate this. I might just cut it off with: "Corner of the internet you shouldn't be in..." What am I, a child to you? I'm concerned that you are making life changing decisions at a young age due to the influence of internet groomers that fetishize this disease, deep rooted hatred of your sex (you can't want to be a male so bad without there being something about your female reality you despise), or assholes who are deeply miserable and want to drag you along. I simply suggested that it would be best for you to get extensive therapy and really reconsider if this is actually worth it. You are young and full of life, your father and I only told the truth. This delusional mindset will kill you inevitably and no one will see you as a man (just a sterilized woman trying to manipulate hapless straight/bi men into thinking they are gay), but I tried to be as kind and as open as possible despite my disbelief. It hurts me to have to lie to you just so you don't end our friendship (and extensively my friendship with our other friend), but I don't want to be there when this shit inevitably goes downhill. I'm in college, now, and have to start looking to the future and get my health in check. I have to start making new friends, apply for a job, experience romantic relationships, and if that means leaving you behind to make (what I consider) poor life choices, so be it. If it makes me a TERF to not want to see you inject yourself with hormones and possibly still be miserable if you don't see the results you want, so be it. You helped make highschool bearable, but we aren't dumb 14 year olds anymore. We are adults. Just because I questioned this, doesn't mean I hate you as a person. This identity isn't the only aspect of you, but whatever. The reality is you were born a woman, socialized as female, have female genitalia/XX chromosomes, female facial/body build, etc. It hurts to say this, but I can't lie to you anymore. I've felt this for awhile, but could never word the questions correctly. I'm not going to support this anymore (friend's ACTUAL name).

We are living in a simulation because none of this shit would have ever been considered real beforehand. I hope she breaks out of this, but I doubt it. Her poor parents.

 

[UnderTheRadar]

I am saddened that the brother of my young consort has gone the way of autogynephilia. Just had a video call, am trying to nudge him to find support. And also attempting to redpill him as the time is perfect, going to video him tomorrow; best website to send the lad to? This coming from a woman, if if makes a difference. Thanks in advance.

When you talk to him, keep in mind that he came to the conclusion that he is trans after multiple hours of brainwashing, a talk with him probably won't change his mind. But I think the best tactic would be to talk about SRS and ask him if he wants a life of medication and surgeries and the possibility to not find a partner. Also the SRS are not successful and that "gyno's can't tell the difference" is a lie.

 

[One Quick Post]

Yeah, I figured. ower level: She sent me this last night (essentially calling me and her father transphobic).

She's reading from a script, likely learned in some discord cult group. It's how they proselytised her and how she was then trying to proselytise you.

What you reply with doesn't matter. I don't think she "mulled it over for some time," I think she showed her new groomer cult your messages and they immediately sought to sever your relationship with her. Their expectation is for you to either immediately walk this all back and accept her transition, or lose your friend.

You're basically conversing with someone in the midst of an emotionally abusive relationship and nothing you say will get them to "break up," so you might as well give it to her straight because the alternative is being her emotional support every time they metaphorically beat the shit out of her, in perpetuity because unlike an abusive relationship you cannot escape after you've fully transitioned.

It feels odd for you to question my experiences when you've known me for so long

That's what good friends do. If I decided to do something retarded, I would expect my friends to tell me that I'm being retarded. If I can't trust someone to do that, they're not my friend, because they clearly don't have either the balls or the care for me to call me out on my bullshit.

This "acceptance" the progressive crowd deals out is like a drug, and they convince their victims that acceptance is all that matters, in relationships, in friendships, and in family. This is a lie. If you really have a strong bond with someone, you should be able to bring uncomfortable truths to light without damaging it.

Unfortunately, you can't convince her of that. You might as well tell a heroin addict that there's a life outside of sucking dick to afford more heroin. They will feed her a strong supply of unquestioning acceptance, love, and support until she's butchered, drugged, and alone. Then they will dump her in the dirt, and she will join them in making new converts so she can feel better about her terrible decisions.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Oh God, it's too late for her. I tried to see if I could sow some seeds of doubt in my friend from my previous post, but I think I should just give up. She's too far in. This is what is happening to this generation of girls and women.

Spoiler: Completely off topic sperg

Annnd that is why I date women almost a decade older than me. I don't know if that's better because that's a separate brand of retardation.

Was your friend (Semi) attractive before the jump though? Most MTF men are ugly as fuck. My run ins with FTM are intresting in that you've got a bimodal split of the extremely ugly and the decent if not good looking before. All look like shit after the transition though.

It's so strange that she hasn't even started testosterone, but she's talking like an expert. Assuring you something she hasn't even done is "worth it." I wouldn't be been surprised if chunks of those "explanation" blocks turned out to be copy-pasted from somewhere.

"Religion Ideology is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people" - Karl Marx, A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right

 

[Juju Makes a Man]

What you reply with doesn't matter. I don't think she "mulled it over for some time," I think she showed her new groomer cult your messages and they immediately sought to sever your relationship with her. Their expectation is for you to either immediately walk this all back and accept her transition, or lose your friend.

You're basically conversing with someone in the midst of an emotionally abusive relationship and nothing you say will get them to "break up," so you might as well give it to her straight because the alternative is being her emotional support every time they metaphorically beat the shit out of her, in perpetuity because unlike an abusive relationship you cannot escape after you've fully transitioned.


That's what good friends do. If I decided to do something retarded, I would expect my friends to tell me that I'm being retarded. If I can't trust someone to do that, they're not my friend, because they clearly don't have either the balls or the care for me to call me out on my bullshit.

This "acceptance" the progressive crowd deals out is like a drug, and they convince their victims that acceptance is all that matters, in relationships, in friendships, and in family. This is a lie. If you really have a strong bond with someone, you should be able to bring uncomfortable truths to light without damaging it.

Unfortunately, you can't convince her of that. You might as well tell a heroin addict that there's a life outside of sucking dick to afford more heroin. They will feed her a strong supply of unquestioning acceptance, love, and support until she's butchered, drugged, and alone. Then they will dump her in the dirt, and she will join them in making new converts so she can feel better about her terrible decisions.

Sorry for your loss.

Final post on this because it's dumb and pointless, but yeah. I did end up replying as a last bid, but yeah it went about as well as expected.

Spoiler: Bitches Don't Read

RANT: I pour my gay little hear out to her and put out the facts the best I could and she doesn't even give me the time of day to read them. Not surprising , but it still hurts. I'll give her this, it was a lot more mature than I would have expected. I'm waiting for the text from J when she hears about all this. I'm probably going to get yelled at since she's a bit more aggressive. Or not, dunno. Sucks man, but c'est la vie. What really blows is how everyone (conservative parents, therapists, liberal media, and other friends) are essentially siding with her. They either say support the delusion (because AuTheNtic self) or accept it to avoid getting sued. Even religion is getting fucked by this, are you kidding me!? It's so lonely here, I just don't get why people can't accept reality and not support this.

Also, to answer @兄貴 Forevermore, no she was not attractive (imo). Yes, she has an unmistakably feminine voice and girly figure (maxing out at 5'4" in height), but she would always cover it up in her awful clothing choices. B also has horrible acne (or at least did before Covid--testesterone will worsen it though) and was borderline not eating most days when I met her, so very thin. Most FTM and female "non-binaries" I've met were average to kinda cute, at best. The crazy didn't help.

Edit: poor censorship + more information, my bad

 

[Ward]

That girl isn't the person you knew for your entire life anymore. While i do believe shes going to ignore you, be laconic. Shorter messages convey a point better.

 

[Kulee Baba]

Just stumbled upon this and christ what a read. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1536422533230206976.html

https://archive.ph/14ZLJ

Appropriate song while reading this blogpost - Flagpole Sitta by Henry Danger.

 

[DumbDude42]

Final post on this because it's dumb and pointless, but yeah. I did end up replying as a last bid, but yeah it went about as well as expected.

Spoiler: Bitches Don't Read

RANT: I pour my gay little hear out to her and put out the facts the best I could and she doesn't even give me the time of day to read them. Not surprising , but it still hurts. I'll give her this, it was a lot more mature than I would have expected. I'm waiting for the text from J when she hears about all this. I'm probably going to get yelled at since she's a bit more aggressive. Or not, dunno. Sucks man, but c'est la vie. What really blows is how everyone (conservative parents, therapists, liberal media, and other friends) are essentially siding with her. They either say support the delusion (because AuTheNtic self) or accept it to avoid getting sued. Even religion is getting fucked by this, are you kidding me!? It's so lonely here, I just don't get why people can't accept reality and not support this.

Also, to answer @兄貴 Forevermore, no she was not attractive (imo). Yes, she has an unmistakably feminine voice and girly figure (maxing out at 5'4" in height), but she would always cover it up in her awful clothing choices. B also has horrible acne (or at least did before Covid--testesterone will worsen it though) and was borderline not eating most days when I met her, so very thin. Most FTM and female "non-binaries" I've met were average to kinda cute, at best. The crazy didn't help.

Edit: poor censorship + more information, my bad

no amount of "these are the facts" will get through to someone who is thoroughly indoctrinated already.
laying out the facts can maybe protect someone from falling for the indoctrination in the future, but once they've fallen for it i think they're a lost cause.

the tranny idea is almost pseudoreligious, it's a matter of belief and faith. trying to convince a tranny that it's wrong is like trying to convince a lifelong muslim that allah doesn't exist - it's not going to be successful. peoples core beliefs generally aren't up for debate, the only way they can ever truly change is when the desire to change comes from within.

 

[Safir]

I was writing a post in the Community troon thread and it grew large and spergy. So here goes.

Studies have shown that the best course of action is watchful waiting. What this means in practice, is don't encourage gender crap and don't discourage it either

These studies are all terrible, they presuppose
1. the only options are to troon out the kid yourself or wait until s/he gets better or grows up and troons out or runs away with a pedo, and
2. trooning out is as good as not trooning out, success is when the chosen course of action matches the outcome.

Use stuff like sweetie, honey, darling or whatever else you can substitute names with.

I'm sure this'll go just swimmingly with an aiden and will do no harm whatsoever to a boy who thinks he's an anime loli.

Don't buy them genderbend clothes or anything else like but don't micro manage their clothes either.

Genderbend clothes for boys are faggotry, but genderbend clothes for girls are normal clothes. (Unless girls in school must wear skirts but your aiden can get an exemption by trooning out -- then you should switch schools to one which allows pants for girls.)

Don't let them go to a gender therapist or transition treatments, but it's fine if they work on general mental health with a therapist and get anti anxiety or depression meds.

"Therapy" is pozzed, especially so when the kid is suffering from lack of attention from his (hereafter "or her, without loss of generality") real parents and you're trying to "outsource the emotional labor" to a stranger. Capitalism, ho!

That is also an extremely important thing: don't give your kids easy internet access and if they have it, monitor them.

At the moment kinda impractical if not impossible. Internet access is everywhere and school work happens more and more on it. It's however pretty easy to limit internet access and force them to have IRL contacts. None smart phone, no personal computer but access to internet from family computer, family dinners, must at least one hobby with regular meatings and so on.

Hahahahah what. Your poor kid will be bullied so hard you should cut to the chase and homeschool before he sucks alleyway dick for phone credits.

Conservatives on twatter don't quite get this either. Troons are a community problem. You can't "just homeschool" or go internet lumberjack when the community is pozzed. If you have two or more children, having one "family computer" means they can't play videogames together and are "penalized" for going offline together ("quality screen time" is wasted). "Family dinners" are a sign, not a cure (they mean your family works sane schedules and eats homecooked food). Hobbies with regular meetings are supposed to help your kid make friends, so only some hobbies quality; listening to an instructor then going home won't do. Plus your kid should be decent at it, and if he's exceptional the chance is lower. Isolate him too much and he'll grow up whiny and stunted.

Finally for all the grandstanding how parents would sacrifice anything to rescue their kid from troons (quit the job, leave the city, move to a conservative area, buy land, grow food, homeschool), they aren't looking at "spend $500k and save the kid from troons" vs "keep $500k and lose the kid to troons", they're looking at "spend $500k to try to proof the kid against troonery" vs "spend $500k to proof the kid against poverty / wage slavery / etc".

The TL;DR is your kid should belong to a community which allows laughing at troons, whether through a place of residence, school, sports, hobby, lan party or online website. Make shame great again.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

These studies are all terrible, they presuppose
1. the only options are to troon out the kid yourself or wait until s/he gets better or grows up and troons out or runs away with a pedo, and
2. trooning out is as good as not trooning out, success is when the chosen course of action matches the outcome.

Dude, watchful waiting was the treatment for teenage gender dysphoria before current affirmative model. It was over 90% effective but unfortunately no longer PC. Most subjects turned out be fine with their sex, although large group realized that they were gay.

This type of distress at that age tends be a puberty related issue and best treatment to those just waiting till puberty is over. Puberty is not just a huge growing spurt to the body but also to the brain, it can messes up thinking temporarily. When that changing calms down and they have had time learn deal with new ways their brain works, it just fixes so much. I know it's a boring anwer and feels unbearably slow but that's how behavioral issues tend be. Slow and steady wins the race.

I might not have been clear but you aren't actually being passive, just kinda sneaky. Giving positive or negative attention to gender issues will encourage your child to keep going and not think about other options. So you don't give out that fuel, you do your best to starve it out. It's an active passivity and other point of this strategy is to look out for any other issues they might be having and deal with those as needed. You can actively stamp out stuff that feeds into their dysfunctional thinking. Drugs, weight issues, depression, rage, suicidal thoughts, bad social skills... You don't have let any of that fly. You can actively and openly help you kid with everything else and that will help with the gender dysphoria because alot of it just self hate. Remove problems and your kid can't blame it on gender issues anymore.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Dude, watchful waiting was the treatment for teenage gender dysphoria before current affirmative model. It was over 90% effective but unfortunately no longer PC. Most subjects turned out be fine with their sex, although large group realized that they were gay.

This type of distress at that age tends be a puberty related issue and best treatment to those just waiting till puberty is over. Puberty is not just a huge growing spurt to the body but also to the brain, it can messes up thinking temporarily. When that changing calms down and they have had time learn deal with new ways their brain works, it just fixes so much. I know it's a boring anwer and feels unbearably slow but that's how behavioral issues tend be. Slow and steady wins the race.

I might not have been clear but you aren't actually being passive, just kinda sneaky. Giving positive or negative attention to gender issues will encourage your child to keep going and not think about other options. So you don't give out that fuel, you do your best to starve it out. It's an active passivity and other point of this strategy is to look out for any other issues they might be having and deal with those as needed. You can actively stamp out stuff that feeds into their dysfunctional thinking. Drugs, weight issues, depression, rage, suicidal thoughts, bad social skills... You don't have let any of that fly. You can actively and openly help you kid with everything else and that will help with the gender dysphoria because alot of it just self hate. Remove problems and your kid can't blame it on gender issues anymore.

"90% effective" at what? I guess if you really think homosexuality is completely genetic it sounds excellent- the kids "realized they were gay" after all, everyone wins! But if you think it's more often than not something that happens because of trauma or other psychosocial factors, you can see that these outcomes aren't so great after all, and hanging around the rainbow flag community will leave the individual at continued risk for going ahead and trooning out later down the road.

I realize that some aren't ready to go hardcore on this issue, but you have to. "Ok sweetie you want to be called Aiden sweetie well we'll see, sweetie" does not actually work because these kids are confused but they aren't completely stupid. They know you're blowing them off and jerking them around, so they respond in kind by upping their manipulation game. If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything, and the kid knows that too. Teens in particular can smell weakness like a wolf can. Make your stand or get out of the way.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

"90% effective" at what? I guess if you really think homosexuality is completely genetic it sounds excellent- the kids "realized they were gay" after all, everyone wins! But if you think it's more often than not something that happens because of trauma or other psychosocial factors, you can see that these outcomes aren't so great after all, and hanging around the rainbow flag community will leave the individual at continued risk for going ahead and trooning out later down the road.

I realize that some aren't ready to go hardcore on this issue, but you have to. "Ok sweetie you want to be called Aiden sweetie well we'll see, sweetie" does not actually work because these kids are confused but they aren't completely stupid. They know you're blowing them off and jerking them around, so they respond in kind by upping their manipulation game. If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything, and the kid knows that too. Teens in particular can smell weakness like a wolf can. Make your stand or get out of the way.

The only proper way to do this is with Mike Pence (tm) eletroshock therapy.
More serrious note, this is like curing a drug addict. Lock them in a padded room and beat them until they touch grass (not medical advice btw).

We had a boomer troon come to our buisness today. Most disgusting shit I'd ever seen, a 70 year old man dressed in a skirt and makeup, had to double take because I could see his ballsacks under the mini skirt. Vietnam "Vet" (Muh PTSD in a supply depot, so not true combat), got angry when they saw me carrying and came out of the car yelling. Got angrier when my hand went for the gun instinctively. Because who the hell goes to a store and yells "You guncrazy motherfucker get out of my state!" when it's a constitutional carry one?
At least he bought something expensive.

 

[LurkNoMore]

We had a boomer troon come to our buisness today. Most disgusting shit I'd ever seen, a 70 year old man dressed in a skirt and makeup, had to double take because I could see his ballsacks under the mini skirt. Vietnam "Vet" (Muh PTSD in a supply depot, so not true combat), got angry when they saw me carrying and came out of the car yelling. Got angrier when my hand went for the gun instinctively. Because who the hell goes to a store and yells "You guncrazy motherfucker get out of my state!" when it's a constitutional carry one?
At least he bought something expensive.

My kingdom for a horrifying rating!

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

"90% effective" at what? I guess if you really think homosexuality is completely genetic it sounds excellent- the kids "realized they were gay" after all, everyone wins! But if you think it's more often than not something that happens because of trauma or other psychosocial factors, you can see that these outcomes aren't so great after all, and hanging around the rainbow flag community will leave the individual at continued risk for going ahead and trooning out later down the road.

I realize that some aren't ready to go hardcore on this issue, but you have to. "Ok sweetie you want to be called Aiden sweetie well we'll see, sweetie" does not actually work because these kids are confused but they aren't completely stupid. They know you're blowing them off and jerking them around, so they respond in kind by upping their manipulation game. If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything, and the kid knows that too. Teens in particular can smell weakness like a wolf can. Make your stand or get out of the way.

I don't care if homosexuality is genetic (although I think it has more to do with hormone exposure during fetal development) and you don't have to be involved with LGBTQA2+ crap even if you like the same sex. I do think homosexuality is a much better outcome than transitioning and of course they could transitioning later on. That could be said about anyone but most teenage gender dysphoria does go away same as as any other teen angst. I don't say nobody because you can always find someone, but the biggest group to do later in life transitioning is straight men with a cross dressing fetish. They didn't have gender dysphoria as teenagers because to them it's about boners not hating yourself.

I think the high amount teenage gender dysphoria among homosexuals is compination of there is higher % of tomboys and girlyboys among them and they unconscious wish to have features that people they like are attracted to. That sort of thing can be solved once and for all by getting comfortable who you are and figuring out what you like and how to get it. I know this isn't only reason, just seems to common one.

I'm not sure if you are miss understanding on purpose or not. Either way it's a good excuse to talk about this. It doesn't really matter if they know you where you are comming from, this works regardless because it all about handling emotional motivation. Open support gives that but so does openly fighting back, so you do neither. You find an uneasy balance where the kid isn't getting what they want but isn't getting riled up either. This doesn't mean play along with "Ok sweetie you want to be called Aiden sweetie well we'll see, sweetie". What you should be saying is "honey, you can take the garbage out before dinner?" if getting called by their given name flips them off. In that moment it's much more important that you can get them take normal responsibility of household chores than to be clear about your option about transitioning. It's all about choosing your battles. If you are just the opposition in every turn you aren't worth of listening or pleasing.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I think the high amount teenage gender dysphoria among homosexuals is compination of there is higher % of tomboys and girlyboys among them and they unconscious wish to have features that people they like are attracted to.

I'm of a similar thought, but there's also the fact that teenagers are walking bags of hormones and uncontrolled sexual arousal. I have a suspicion that a lot of teenage homosexuality would resolve by adulthood, if more people were open to the fact that sexual arousal often isn't an indicator of sexual attraction, but is a simple, autonomic response to the unconscious anticipation of sexual activity. Monkey see, monkey do, basically. A teenager, being the walking bag of hormones and newly open to the possibility of sex, initially perceives just about everything as a potential sexual situation. Even when they don't, their body is randomly becoming aroused anyway, just because it can. If more kids were educated to understand that this is normal and will calm down eventually, perhaps less of them would think that their entire sexual identity was formed and set in stone that one time they got turned on by a potted plant.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

Oh God, it's too late for her. I tried to see if I could sow some seeds of doubt in my friend from my previous post, but I think I should just give up. She's too far in. This is what is happening to this generation of girls and women. Deluded into thinking injecting poison (cause that's what testosterone is to the female body) will alleviate serious mental illness. She even knows it'll be shit, but she's still going to do it. All before she's even 25. "It's genetics that will determine X" Seeing this in real time is so jarring. I want to tell her not to do this, show here the SRS thread, beg her to question it, but I don't think she'll believe me. If it wasn't for me feigning ignorance, she'd call me a TERF. Never did I think this horror would effect me like this.

Edit: Spelling and good God, it only got worse

Yeah, I figured. ower level: She sent me this last night (essentially calling me and her father transphobic).

Spoiler: Questioning = TERF, ok

I don't know how to respond (or even if I should) and, honestly, I'm not in the mood to tolerate this. I might just cut it off with: "Corner of the internet you shouldn't be in..." What am I, a child to you? I'm concerned that you are making life changing decisions at a young age due to the influence of internet groomers that fetishize this disease, deep rooted hatred of your sex (you can't want to be a male so bad without there being something about your female reality you despise), or assholes who are deeply miserable and want to drag you along. I simply suggested that it would be best for you to get extensive therapy and really reconsider if this is actually worth it. You are young and full of life, your father and I only told the truth. This delusional mindset will kill you inevitably and no one will see you as a man (just a sterilized woman trying to manipulate hapless straight/bi men into thinking they are gay), but I tried to be as kind and as open as possible despite my disbelief. It hurts me to have to lie to you just so you don't end our friendship (and extensively my friendship with our other friend), but I don't want to be there when this shit inevitably goes downhill. I'm in college, now, and have to start looking to the future and get my health in check. I have to start making new friends, apply for a job, experience romantic relationships, and if that means leaving you behind to make (what I consider) poor life choices, so be it. If it makes me a TERF to not want to see you inject yourself with hormones and possibly still be miserable if you don't see the results you want, so be it. You helped make highschool bearable, but we aren't dumb 14 year olds anymore. We are adults. Just because I questioned this, doesn't mean I hate you as a person. This identity isn't the only aspect of you, but whatever. The reality is you were born a woman, socialized as female, have female genitalia/XX chromosomes, female facial/body build, etc. It hurts to say this, but I can't lie to you anymore. I've felt this for awhile, but could never word the questions correctly. I'm not going to support this anymore (friend's ACTUAL name).

We are living in a simulation because none of this shit would have ever been considered real beforehand. I hope she breaks out of this, but I doubt it. Her poor parents.

Ooch. That hurt to read. I am so sorry. I always want to tell my trans friends they’re idiots… but like… this is how I expect it to end. But keeping quiet is not exactly helping either since they’re all still transitioning. Props to you for having the courage to say what you believe is best. I hope she comes back some day.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I'm of a similar thought, but there's also the fact that teenagers under 25s are walking bags of hormones and uncontrolled sexual arousal. I have a suspicion that a lot of teenage homosexuality would resolve by adulthood, if more people were open to the fact that sexual arousal often isn't an indicator of sexual attraction, but is a simple, autonomic response to the unconscious anticipation of sexual activity. Monkey see, monkey do, basically. A teenagers under 25, being the walking bag of hormones and newly open to the possibility of sex, initially perceives just about everything as a potential sexual situation. Even when they don't, their body is randomly becoming aroused anyway, just because it can. If more kids were educated to understand that this is normal and will calm down eventually, perhaps less of them would think that their entire sexual identity was formed and set in stone that one time they got turned on by a potted plant.

FTFY, I also think right now we are interesting because physical maturity (eg: Earlier Puberty age, physical maturity) is increasing faster while mental maturity seems to be happening slower.

My guess is that it might have to do with hormones added to the meat. So now you have the worst of two worlds, a well developed female/male who was never properly taught how to control themself, or even understand what a sex drive is. Society doesn't help either. I remember girls in my middle school dressed in those short shorts and doing these "advertising shoots" with clothing/jewelery for local stores, you could not tell the difference between them and an adult unless you like grannies or look like Tess Holiday.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I'm of a similar thought, but there's also the fact that teenagers are walking bags of hormones and uncontrolled sexual arousal. I have a suspicion that a lot of teenage homosexuality would resolve by adulthood, if more people were open to the fact that sexual arousal often isn't an indicator of sexual attraction, but is a simple, autonomic response to the unconscious anticipation of sexual activity. Monkey see, monkey do, basically. A teenager, being the walking bag of hormones and newly open to the possibility of sex, initially perceives just about everything as a potential sexual situation. Even when they don't, their body is randomly becoming aroused anyway, just because it can. If more kids were educated to understand that this is normal and will calm down eventually, perhaps less of them would think that their entire sexual identity was formed and set in stone that one time they got turned on by a potted plant.

This is a good point, and it's also why the following generally checks out:

MTF trooned out because they were coomers.
FTM became coomers after trooning out.

The testosterone bolus on an undisciplined, unparented, unhinged psyche is what does it. There's a phenomenon of lesbians taking T when they troon out and then becoming "gay men" or otherwise asexualish straight girls doing the same- that's why.

 

[nfys nst]

Recently heard one of the guys I hung out with in school apparently trooned out. Haven't seen him in years, so I don't have first hand experience, but now that I think about it, the writing was on the wall.
His dad is running a successful and expanding workplace security company, the kid was actually very intelligent too, you'd think he had his life served to him on a silver platter, but he had massive ADHD (the bad hyperactive kind) and probably was on the spectrum too. He always was an outsider and bullying victim, very shy and reclusive guy with the spergy ADHD traits making him act like a freak all the time, developed narcissistic tendencies later on too, probably went deeper into that hole. Honestly it was very hard to hang out with him, I mostly did it because he was a massive Star Wars nerd too and I didn't really have any friends either. I suppose he just broke along the way and met the wrong people online. Still sucks because below all the ADHD and personality disorders was an intelligent, funny and thoughtful guy.

As someone who has ADHD too, I notice how strong the correlation between that nigger condition and trooning out is. Apart from depression (which is linked to ADHD too), it's the number 1 mental illness trannies mention having.

 

[Ser Prize]

This is a good point, and it's also why the following generally checks out:

MTF trooned out because they were coomers.
FTM became coomers after trooning out.

The testosterone bolus on an undisciplined, unparented, unhinged psyche is what does it. There's a phenomenon of lesbians taking T when they troon out and then becoming "gay men" or otherwise asexualish straight girls doing the same- that's why.

I dunno about that. Maybe it's not exactly porn as we men think of it but many FTMs consume a ton of smut before making that call. It's why they get so obsessed with being the 'uwu soft boy'.

FTFY, I also think right now we are interesting because physical maturity (eg: Earlier Puberty age, physical maturity) is increasing faster while mental maturity seems to be happening slower.

It's less that mental maturity is happening slower and more that people aren't being taught foundational thinking skills. The mind is a plaything of the body, after all.