Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[doodoocaca]

Is there any way I could help someone? Like, legitimate question here. I know the farms is probably the last place I'd go for actual advice buttt I don't know where else I can ask this type of shit so here goes nothing

Basically there's some girl I once talked to on Discord, a friend from a couple years ago, she's like, 18 now, I think? Autistic too I believe. Anyway I'm pretty sure she's identified as a guy for like, at least a year and a half now, or something. I dunno. But, it legitimately concerns me, because I had saw a message from her from december saying she was going to get on hormones on January 4th, aka, this year. I'm not close to this person really that much at all, but I'm still concerned and I don't want someone to be lost to that kind of thing. Is there anything I could do to persuade them before it's too late or would that be a hopeless case? Like, any studies, or tactics I could use? I'm really not looking to antagonize them, just help, even if they don't necessarily ask for it.

Try dressing it up in stages? "You should work on your autism first" or whatever. Basically, try to get the person to get help with real problems as much as you can, and don't help her drink the koolaid.

 

[Toolbox]

I've written here before about having to personally deal with a trans friend, but what about losing somebody to the ideology or losing them to the groupthink of the cultishness of transgenderism? I've recently experienced just how hateful people acting as 'allies' or being unwilling to drop even one portion of the propaganda forcefed to them can react to someone speaking anything even tangentially against it. This is me relaying what happened to a friend that has not yet seemingly fully fell for this shit and seeing other people I grew up with and called friends as well reacting in the way they did is just depressing. Several people versus one here. From what I can gather, the person being reacted to referred to the transgender fTm shooter of the church school, in which they killed several children and staff something akin to 'tranny'. While it's deleted it appeared to have been in a single short text post. For the crime of insulting a murderer several others dogpiled on them and compared it to calling a black shooter a nigger, of course saying 'n word' instead. Like we should be offended that a killer is called a common slur. But nay, of course that's not what they really meant, they meant that for this comparison, all black people should be offended because someone used a racial slur against a hypothetical murderer, like it's apparently justified that trannies are able to ruin someone for saying, well, tranny. Several other shitty arguments like this are made, typical talking points I've seen discussed on here, not specifically this thread are made, those mostly of trans community origin. Seeing this shit being spoken by people I once thought reasonable towards someone they know, all of the people involved knowing each other in real life for years, it's sad and horrifying the way this bullshit warps people's perception of how they think one should speak with even those they should feel no animosity towards. But talk ill of the sacred cow and the fangs are bared. I've slowly been distancing myself, or trying to from them for the past while, especially towards what I found out about one of them that I discussed a while ago, but still it is hard. How do you actually test the waters with someone new to avoid seeing this from them eventually?

 

[Stoicism Is For Losers]

Is there any way I could help someone? Like, legitimate question here. I know the farms is probably the last place I'd go for actual advice buttt I don't know where else I can ask this type of shit so here goes nothing

Basically there's some girl I once talked to on Discord, a friend from a couple years ago, she's like, 18 now, I think? Autistic too I believe. Anyway I'm pretty sure she's identified as a guy for like, at least a year and a half now, or something. I dunno. But, it legitimately concerns me, because I had saw a message from her from december saying she was going to get on hormones on January 4th, aka, this year. I'm not close to this person really that much at all, but I'm still concerned and I don't want someone to be lost to that kind of thing. Is there anything I could do to persuade them before it's too late or would that be a hopeless case? Like, any studies, or tactics I could use? I'm really not looking to antagonize them, just help, even if they don't necessarily ask for it.

It doesn't matter how kindly you put your concerns, She'll probably just brush it off as you being insensitive or just block you for wrongthink. It could be worth a try to convince her to stop, maybe she needs a reminder of what's at stake if she goes down the path of hormones and surgery. Try to pry at the issue gently and maybe ask a leading question like "isn't there health risks assosciated with taking hormones" or "Maybe you're unhappy because of something else and it's not your sex that bothers you?", leading her thoughts towards reassessing her situation. Just telling her to straight up "stop" is just gonna set off her cult programming and make her lock up mentally and lash out. You might have to play along with her troon bs for a while to not get shut out of her life immediately, but if you can persist and keep on her good side, there's a chance you can make her reconsider.

-words-

At that point its not even worth engaging with them in the discussion about troons, if the topic comes out just duck out and never engage. It's how I deal with stupid peoples opinions, never entertain them.

 

[Fapcop]

How do you actually test the waters with someone new to avoid seeing this from them eventually?

I’ve found that “womens sports” is both a great way to peak people as well as a good anti-tranny calling card of sorts.

It’s something innocuous enough that even troon-friendly normies can’t really say anything against it. Not use it to label you as a bigot.

If they go “yeah idk it’s REALLY complicated” then they likely won’t agree with you on anything else. If they agree that it’s fucked up, or that it’s cheating women, then it’s a very short logical step to agree that troons aren’t women.

 

[Lesbian Sold Snake]

I have an online friend of sorts that I've known for about 10 years now. Long story short severely autistic wannabe MTF NEET that lives with parents and has a tugboat. He's tried taking hormones in the past and thankfully stopped because it was damaging his liver or something.
I've recently become so tired of talking to him because all he does is complain about how he has no motivation to do anything, and always has a billion different excuses as to why he can't improve himself even though he hates his current situation and wants to get a job. He drank the koolaid around the time MLP was getting popular and still has it in his head that the reason his life sucks is because he can't transition.
And it's been like this for years, complaining and moping even though there are actual things he can do to improve his depression. I tell him to get offline and go take a walk "there's nothing near me I have nowhere to go" I tell him to talk to his mother, who has been supportive of him, about his feelings, "weeh I don't want to...I feel bad about it" I tell him to look for a therapist or a psychiatrist or someone who can actually help him and it's always " Weeh I have no money...I can't drive...I'd have to ask my mom to take me"
This mother fucker has one of the worst cases of learned helplessness I have ever witnessed. For refrence he is 28 and still lives with his parents rent free. He always complains that he has no money to see a doctor even though I KNOW he is on disability and that there are resources avaliable to him. Whenever I point this out its always "yeah but I don't know how to use them... I don't know..."

I'm at my wits end here. I feel bad because lately he's been posting a lot of woe is me type shit and he has never done anything that has upset or hurt me but at the same time I'm sick of listening to him act like a helpless child when I know he has the ability to advocate for himself and get the actual help he needs. I also feel guilty because I'm the one who has a better life than him and I can tell that he is jealous but at the same time listening to him complain for years and years on end is wearing me down and I'm getting to the point of wanting to cut him off.

Sorry for the wall of text I've just wanted to get this off my chest for a long time now and I feel like this is probably one of the only places I can do it.

 

[monstrous bubo]

I'm at my wits end here. I feel bad because lately he's been posting a lot of woe is me type shit and he has never done anything that has upset or hurt me but at the same time I'm sick of listening to him act like a helpless child when I know he has the ability to advocate for himself and get the actual help he needs

Your patience is godlike. Apart from stepping away for your own sanity, you might consider a technique i have found helpful: don’t offer advice. Just listen and then ask „what are you going to do about that?” It can really stop people in their tracks.

Apologies if you have already tried this. Good luck!

 

[Leakage Current]

It's extremely exhausting to argue with leftists, even if they listen to you. The amount of mental hoops they go through to justify troonism is insane.

At some point it's not worth continuing but trying to deprogram my vicinity is the least I can do

 

[Mrs. Addams]

If your disabled helpless trans friend is like my disabled, helpless, mother-enabled trans friend... well, mine's mom is finally cutting him off and it's been interesting to see him finally making progress as he starts to panic about how to pay his internet bill. He won't stop making dumb decisions though.

 

[Aunt Carol]

If your disabled helpless trans friend is like my disabled, helpless, mother-enabled trans friend... well, mine's mom is finally cutting him off and it's been interesting to see him finally making progress as he starts to panic about how to pay his internet bill.

There are so many cows documented here whose lives will change significantly when their aging mom sighs and makes a tough budgeting decision. Or dies, but I'd prefer to think that Secret Gamer Grrl's mom will get to retire.

 

[The Skeksis Emperor]

he has never done anything that has upset or hurt me

He's an emotional vampire though. He's not treating you as a friend but as person to whine to and to seek validation from. And sometimes that happens in a friendship for a time, people respond differently to hardship, but if he is acting like this for years and not willing to take any advice ever then he is not a positive influence in your life.
You might consider ignoring him when he is whining if you don't want to cut him off right away. Maybe it will lead him to re-evaluate some things, maybe it will make severing ties easier.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Many troons are like deathfats. There’s an enabler lurking and paying for the lifestyle.

@Lesbian Sold Snake - this troon of yours, does he ask about your life? Does he thoughtfully remember points of interest, stress, or happiness for yourself? Does he make an effort to hold caring, two-sided conversations?
Or does he: monolog endlessly about himself and could easily replace you with a chatbot…

 

[Ed Special]

The ones with lesbian moms tend to be the worst for whatever reason.

To be fair, lesbians are twice as likely to experience domestic abuse as heterosexual women and, iirc, four times as likely as gay men, so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that they abuse their kids at an elevated rate, too

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

To be fair, lesbians are twice as likely to experience domestic abuse as heterosexual women and, iirc, four times as likely as gay men, so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that they abuse their kids at an elevated rate, too

there was a lesbian couple that adopted six black kids, they abused them, exploited them for social media clout and then murdered them all and commited suicide driving off a cliff

 

[Marvin]

To be fair, lesbians are twice as likely to experience domestic abuse as heterosexual women and, iirc, four times as likely as gay men, so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that they abuse their kids at an elevated rate, too

I don't know if the abusers in those relationships are women though. I think sometimes it's from a previous straight relationship with a man before they came out.

 

[Barnabas Laudanum]

Made an account just to post this.

My girlfriend used to have a roommate that she met during college. While not really my friend, I knew the guy from high school (this was a small town after all). He was one of those awkward kids that had nerdy interests and hadn't many friends. Anyways, so during one of her semester, this guy (let's call him D) sorta inserted himself in her friend's group.

Then one day, D told my girlfriend he needed a place to stay because his parents threw him out for coming out as trans. Being her friend, she offered to house him until he found something. How naive she was. She ended up housing the guy for a year because she felt bad about his life. And boy, what a year.

A month after moving in, he announced that he was approved for the surgery. What that meant however is that due to the sheer perniciousness of the procedure, he would be unable to move or work for a while, so he had to quit his job and stay in his room. This wasn't a problem, as D was paying the bills and apparently had enough money to cover his own expenses. Though annoyed, she supported his decision because she thought it would help him.

Problems began after the surgery. In total, I believe D had to go to the ER twice because he was literally rotting from the inside. My girlfriend had to deal with him wailing and moaning in pain during the night. Once, she had to clean the pus and blood he leaked on the bathroom floor because he couldn’t do any work. She works at a hospital so she’s used to this but still.

D never got a job after “recovering”. He spent most of his time playing D&D on roll20 with his discord friends and watching anime. He was textbook stereotype of the programming sock wearing trans flag waving colour hair dyed terminally online MtF. His friendship with my girlfriend was slowly deteriorating has he was becoming increasingly neurotic. He constantly complained about his life or trans issues. He also slowly stopped cleaning around himself and would leave his shit everywhere. One morning, my girlfriend had the displeasure to find that D had forgotten his dilation rod in the bathroom sink and was away.

Then one day, I agreed to help move furniture D bought at a garage sale. I was really surprised when I saw that both his parents were there to lend a hand. They seemed surprised when I mentioned making amends for what happened, as they had no idea what the fuck I was talking about. Then it dawned on me. This guy was never kicked out of his house. Not only that, the supposed “money” he had was actually his dad just bankrolling him. They told me they were actually very supportive of their “daughter” and “she” was the one who wanted to get out.

My girlfriend eventually stopped talking to D and coming to her own apartment. She was either at her mom’s or at my place as she couldn’t stand to live with this disgusting freak. There was also this overweight guy that would sometime come visit and have sex with D while she was at home.

There’s a lot more to this story but this was my first real life encounter with a trans person. I never really cared about those people and I tough the discord tranny meme was just that, a meme. I definitely see what people mean now.

What a mess.

 

[Kiislova]

Not a friend I was close to, but rather a friend of a friend.
But he just got the chop, so now is a she. I am bracing for the inevitable whine and moan that the chop hurts or it is a disappointing result.

 

[NerdShamer]

I don't know if the abusers in those relationships are women though. I think sometimes it's from a previous straight relationship with a man before they came out.

Nah, it's definitely someone saying some bitchy things on their period, the other gets offended, the cycle repeats until someone grabs the steak knife.

 

[Yamamura]

I have no idea where else to post this, this isn't someone I personally know, but I enjoy watching a dumb little let's play channel called Keep et Classy. Which is actually a series that was an off shoot from another LP called "Let's Drown Out" created by the same man who created Zero Punctuation. It's just two dudes named Gabe and Aaron who play any game from children's Pingu games to Euro Truck Simulator and have casual banter between dudes.

Lately I haven't paid the most attention to it and decided to check in and I found in the video thumbnail that Aaron was missing and in his place was a woman. "Oh Gabe replaced Aaron with his new girlfriend. A bit of a shame he got rid of Aaron, but let's see where this goes", I thought to myself. Until I heard the audio and came to the realization what had actually happened.

I know how everyone says they know how it feels to be a fan of a band or content creators who later have a member that goes the way of the troon, but man. That's a lie, you really never see it coming out of left field. I think this is my first moment that genuinely caught me off guard.

 

[glass_houses]

I have no idea where else to post this, this isn't someone I personally know, but I enjoy watching a dumb little let's play channel called Keep et Classy. Which is actually a series that was an off shoot from another LP called "Let's Drown Out" created by the same man who created Zero Punctuation. It's just two dudes named Gabe and Aaron who play any game from children's Pingu games to Euro Truck Simulator and have casual banter between dudes.

Lately I haven't paid the most attention to it and decided to check in and I found in the video thumbnail that Aaron was missing and in his place was a woman. "Oh Gabe replaced Aaron with his new girlfriend. A bit of a shame he got rid of Aaron, but let's see where this goes", I thought to myself. Until I heard the audio and came to the realization what had actually happened.

I know how everyone says they know how it feels to be a fan of a band or content creators who later have a member that goes the way of the troon, but man. That's a lie, you really never see it coming out of left field. I think this is my first moment that genuinely caught me off guard.

I had a thing for quite a few years for a novelty band called 'Steam Powered Giraffe'. All was good until they started bitching about Dumpf. I am not American. I'm not even from the Northern Hemisphere. I'm here for good music from people pretending to be cyborgs. I was sick to death of all the Dumpf shit so I unfollowed everything on the band, and found other music to listen to.

A ways back I thought, "Trump has gone, maybe they've dropped the mindless amerikunt bullshit," and checked them out again. And wouldn't you know it, there's a 6ft troon with a bass voice that would make a choir master weep, covered in paint and wearing a dress.

Fffffuuuuck.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

I'm not sure if this story counts but it tells of a friend possibly going down the slippery troon slope.

Spoiler: The Situation

My friend (let's call her Paula) whom I haven't seen in over six months now has been dating an MTF troon for about a year now. I thought nothing of this (since she never told me he was an MTF at the start and assumed he was an actual lesbian/bisexual woman) until I saw the boyfriend about six months ago. To my shock, he was a huge hulking hideous behemoth with unkempt greasy hair, poor self hygiene, bad odour, and piercings all over his body. I knew something was off the first time I laid my eyes on him and immediately knew he was a tranny when I glimpsed at his twitter account on his phone. After dating him, my friend now calls herself a "they/them nonbinary queer" and is no longer a "lesbian". Unsurprisingly, the dude works in IT/computers and is terminally online on Twitter. She is hopelessly infatuated with her troon BF and is oblivious to how cold and unsupportive he is to her. He's not reciprocal or even deserving of the love bombing she's giving him. My other friends and family find him quite offputting since he acts like he's the smartest person in the room. Paula only ever spends her time with him and does not see anybody else. She plans on moving all the way to his hometown to live with him where she knows very no people whatsoever at all. Another huge red flag considering abusers like to isolate their victims from loved ones. I actually have no idea what to do. However, I can't really do much about it since it isn't any of my business, I'm not her Dad, I can't force her to do things she doesn't want to do, and I don't know the troon BF that well. It still saddens and worries me because she was an amazing and supportive friend of mine. I wouldn't be surprised if Paula started trooning out and became an Aidan.