Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[teriyakiburns]

Most young men have exposed themselves to literally hundreds of hours of videos of women being pleasured. Is it no wonder that they wish that was them.
Other young men a torn apart by mothers with a grudge against the entire male gender, and want to be the daughter they never had.

It's funny how differently people understand the same thing. Ask your typical radfem and they'll say all that video of women receiving pleasure is actually objectified women being used for the man's pleasure. A mgtow type will point out how the man is only visible as a tool for the woman, a sort of walking dildo without agency. They would find themselves agreeing with some subset of "sex-positive" feminists, who additionally think that's a good thing. In reality, it's likely nobody involved is enjoying it at all, but everyone (including the participants) wants to pretend they are so they can get something out of it.

 

[Doseferatu]

@Mizuna

During that same time period, my daughter went through Teen Talk—a Manitoba, Canada-based program that says it provides “youth with accurate, [nonjudgmental] information” on “sexuality, reproductive health, body image, substance use awareness, mental health, issues of diversity, and anti-violence issues”—at her public school.

It is absolutely being pushed by the schools, and I fear I will have to quit work should I ever have children in order to homeschool them. I'd rather have happy and whole children than a career, though. Besides, I can always do things related to my career with my family.

Unbelievably, our local Catholic high school refused to follow our edict.

It's not unbelievable - Christian religons have been compromised for a while. It's like a purposeful, multipronged attack - every institution (government, schools, religions) supports this shit and will strike out at people who question it.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I watched this video again:

I've come to a conclusion as to why Ted Patrick was successful in deprogramming cult members.

1) He would have them in an enclosed space for days where he could talk to them as needed.
2) He would snatch them from the cult and isolate them from the cult.

Now, I'm not advocating for illegal actions here, but if someone were audacious and cared enough to effectively kidnap and isolate a tranny for days, I wonder what the result would be. I've read through quite a few stories on this thread, and people are afraid to speak up too loudly, so I don't see something like this happening.

The part I don't understand is what they're specifically hooking people in with - I know they push the line that you should discard any family or friends who disagree with your decision to go trans, but there has to be more. Typically with cults, they try to make you feel like dogshit so they can offer a convenient solution to you feeling like dogshit. I'm just curious as to how they approach prospective cult members in a way that gets them interested in their particular "cure" for what ails them - do they outright denigrate them or do they say that everyone is against them because they're secretly trans?

Classic deprogramming techniques like Ted used would definitely be effective, the problem is unlike the Cults Ted Patrick rescued people from this troon shit has everyone behind it from the media, the Big Pharma, to that fucking dementia addled puppeteered corpse in the White House, if Ted or someone tried the techniques he used on a troon, he'd end up with the fucking FBI on his ass, even though the Gender Cult is 100% a Cult by any metric used to classify them, and worse than nearly all of them, its a death cult that worships perversion and body mutilation, the only ones I can think worse are the Peoples Temple (Jim Jones's group from Guyana) and Heavens Gate, and that psycho terrorist Death Cult that Sarin gassed the Tokyo subway, Aum Shinrikyo.
The Gender Cult are worse than the Scientologists, and enjoy equal if not more legal protection.

Classic deprogramming techniques would indeed work on troons, but you'd need more effort, if you live in a Red State you could be better off, if you live in a pozzed Blue State you'd probably have to get the troon out of the country for long enough to deprogramme them, and somewhere where its not just going to take a call from the State Department to wherevers local police if you get located by the Gender Cult because you'll get charged with kidnapping.
The problem is the ideological siezure of schools and stuff means if the troon or one of their teachers thats onboard with that shit catches wind you're attempting "conversion" therapy they could go as far as to try to use the weight of the authorities to have your own child removed from your custody, and if a troon groomer can convince the kid to get to one of these "troon sanctuaries" in a pozzed City, they will actively hinder your efforts to save your childs mind and soul.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Oh joy, an update. Now my clise friend of several years is all but saying I'm over reacting, that, quote (when I brought up it being similar to cutting off an arm because you don't think it should exist), "I would think if you had real psychological stress over it, and a psychiatrist said yes, I wouldn't stop you. There are plenty of examples of people doing that". Bitch where.

 

[On a Journey]

The part I don't understand is what they're specifically hooking people in with - I know they push the line that you should discard any family or friends who disagree with your decision to go trans, but there has to be more. Typically with cults, they try to make you feel like dogshit so they can offer a convenient solution to you feeling like dogshit. I'm just curious as to how they approach prospective cult members in a way that gets them interested in their particular "cure" for what ails them - do they outright denigrate them or do they say that everyone is against them because they're secretly trans?

A lot of young people already feel like shit. Something about our society (there are many reasons, this isn’t the place to get into it) has increased the rates of depression, anxiety, and low self esteem. Transition is advertised as a solution to many issues, and it’s often much easier psychologically than the other solutions.

You’re mentally ill? This sounds a lot better than years or even decades of therapy and/or trying different medications.
You’ve never felt like you fit in with your peers, but found community online? Your internet friends who you relate with so well seem so happy since they started HRT (mostly because it’s the internet and they aren’t sharing the whole truth), so maybe it’s right for you. And besides, you’re never going to be normal so it doesn’t feel like you’re giving much up. This community will take anybody with a pulse and a pronoun pin so it’s a lot easier than developing social skills, living up to the expectations people have for you, and becoming a respectable adult.
You’re sad but you aren’t an oppressed minority so people keep saying it doesn’t matter? They’d change their tune if you were stunning and brave. They’ll finally take your feelings seriously.
You’ve always hated the way looked and have social anxiety (social media has clearly exacerbated this among today’s teenagers and even children)? That’s dysphoria! You’ll be so hot when you transition!
Hate yourself for any reason? Start again as your new self, no deep introspection needed!

You get the idea. Instead of making people feel bad and offering a convenient solution, they just find people who already feel bad and offer a solution.

I was thinking about what it is that makes tumblr the common denominater in so many transition stories. I have a theory.

People going on tumblr for fan content and fun things, they get their lil' brains full of dopamine.
Then, they come across a story where someone talks about not feeling like they fit in, gender-wise. Understandable, it happens sometimes.
More fun things, more dopamine.
Another story about someone feeling bad until they stop conforming and do something LGBTWeird. Okay.
Fun things, dopamine. Lots of genderswapped art and cosplays. Fun!
Fun things, dopamine. Stories about coming out, stories about transitioning, Pride parade pics and videos. Art! Friends! Love! Tolerance!
Fun things, dopamine... hmm. So many of these stories seem relatable. Fellow humans feeling awkward, then comfortable. I have occasionally felt awkward. Maybe…

It’s basically the same as pro-ED tumblr, but with less obvious negativity and infinitely more outside support. This is always how teenage girls have been, they bond by ruminating over each other’s issues

 

[Wallace]

A lot of young people already feel like shit. Something about our society (there are many reasons, this isn’t the place to get into it) has increased the rates of depression, anxiety, and low self esteem. Transition is advertised as a solution to many issues, and it’s often much easier psychologically than the other solutions.

IMO this gets back to the emphasis on victimhood. Everything bad in society is caused by evil people acting with purposeful malice to destroy the environment, create more poverty/inequality, or hurt people because of their race/sex/weight/etc.

People get stuck thinking this way because it absolves them of any responsibility for how shitty their lives and the world are while also giving them leverage to get sympathy on social media. Of course, this also robs you of agency and traps you in a cycle of obsessive rumination about how awful everything is and how it's everyone else's fault. Of course that's going to tank your mood.

Transition is popular because it is a concrete goal for a type of oppression that people can opt into. When you have an incentive to identify as Oppressed and Marginalized, people will seek it out. Troonery fills a need for all of the straight white middle-class people to gain those sweet victimhood points. It also comes with a side of emotional blackmail, 'if you don't let me do as I wish, you are hurting me'.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Transition is popular because it is a concrete goal for a type of oppression that people can opt into. When you have an incentive to identify as Oppressed and Marginalized, people will seek it out. Troonery fills a need for all of the straight white middle-class people to gain those sweet victimhood points. It also comes with a side of emotional blackmail, 'if you don't let me do as I wish, you are hurting me'.

For TiFs it can be the oppostie. The chance to get some of that sweet male privilege they have been denied thanks to their birth sex.

 

[Scoia'tael]

Ofc it's a girl switching to a boy.

Of course it is.
Now I'm not going to come in here and say that "all young men who transition do so because of the coom and its never trauma-based" because that's factually not true but I will say that there is a specific type of discomfort that comes with becoming an adult human female that I think every woman can identify with. I'd maybe even go so far as to call it traumatic. Add to that an abusive home life and your summoning spell for a delusional, unhappy, mentally ill pooner is well underway.
There is a reason why, historically, mos MTFs transition later and the FTM population is majority less than 25.

Re: the tumblr discussion: I've been on tumblr since it's inception and have, by this point, lost all embarrassment about that fact. Watching the trans-tsunami on the ground was absolutely wild in hindsight. I have more thoughts if anyone is interested but i have had several martinis and i am not coherent. I think Homestuck just happened to serve as a repository for the most mentally ill/autistic subset of the tumblr ecosystem at that point. I think it's an example of correlation =/= causation. But to be fair I don't have a better pinpoint for it.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

IMO this gets back to the emphasis on victimhood. Everything bad in society is caused by evil people acting with purposeful malice to destroy the environment, create more poverty/inequality, or hurt people because of their race/sex/weight/etc.

It's easier to be a victim and stay defeated, it appeals to defeatist mindsets which is largely the modern majority. Even if I'm very demoralised and nihilistic I try my best not to be defeatist or doomer. There's that point in everybody's life I guess when they hit 18-24 and realize that just living life requires a lot more effort than you think it does and constant consistent failure to achieve the things you want screws with your head. Defeatism can be laziness but often times its because people have failed too much and they fail to realize that it's better to keep your life under your control instead of handing it over to surgeons and corporations.

 

[On a Journey]

It's easier to be a victim and stay defeated, it appeals to defeatist mindsets which is largely the modern majority. Even if I'm very demoralised and nihilistic I try my best not to be defeatist or doomer. There's that point in everybody's life I guess when they hit 18-24 and realize that just living life requires a lot more effort than you think it does and constant consistent failure to achieve the things you want screws with your head. Defeatism can be laziness but often times its because people have failed too much and they fail to realize that it's better to keep your life under your control instead of handing it over to surgeons and corporations.

Yeah, a big part of this is not wanting to grow up and face the pressures of adulthood. That's why they get so obsessed with the idea of having a second puberty, it seems like another chance to grow up. The 18-24 range you brought up is spot on, none of us feel ready for it and I think some people interpret that as gender dysphoria instead of regular growing-up distress. They'll think "wow, being a woman/man is terrible, clearly something is wrong with me" and gender is an easy scapegoat.

They then get to spend years "transitioning" where they can't be expected to be a fully functional adult. "I'm not ready to get a full time job/finish school/start dating/do literally anything productive, I still have too much dysphoria. People can tell I'm trans, what if I get hate-crimed?" The surgeries in particular provide a long break from responsibility. Online trans spaces are full of people planning for the day that they finish transitioning, completely pass, everything is perfect, and life is easy. They've been sold an impossible dream. Others accept that life will always be hard, so they diagnose themselves with autism or something and blame their inability to grow up on that.

 

[Wallace]

Yeah, a big part of this is not wanting to grow up and face the pressures of adulthood. That's why they get so obsessed with the idea of having a second puberty, it seems like another chance to grow up. The 18-24 range you brought up is spot on, none of us feel ready for it and I think some people interpret that as gender dysphoria instead of regular growing-up distress. They'll think "wow, being a woman/man is terrible, clearly something is wrong with me" and gender is an easy scapegoat.

They then get to spend years "transitioning" where they can't be expected to be a fully functional adult. "I'm not ready to get a full time job/finish school/start dating/do literally anything productive, I still have too much dysphoria. People can tell I'm trans, what if I get hate-crimed?" The surgeries in particular provide a long break from responsibility. Online trans spaces are full of people planning for the day that they finish transitioning, completely pass, everything is perfect, and life is easy. They've been sold an impossible dream. Others accept that life will always be hard, so they diagnose themselves with autism or something and blame their inability to grow up on that.

They don't want to grow up at all. Troons don't want to be women or men, they want to be girls or boys. That's a pretty significant distinction IMO.

Troonery has a lot in common with Peter Pan syndrome too:

• Chronic unemployment or underemployment. An otherwise capable person may refuse to look for jobs. They may be constantly kicked out of jobs due to absenteeism or misbehavior.
• Not doing one’s fair share at home. A person might get married and have children, but spend most of their days playing video games while their partner works, cleans, and tends to the children.
• Relying on someone else to take care of financial responsibilities. A person with Peter Pan syndrome might rely on others to take care of money issues (without contributing something of value in return such as childcare).
• Failure to launch. A person may remain at home with their parents in spite of opportunities to earn money, get a job, or move out.
• Emotional outbursts when facing stressful situations.
• A tendency to make excuses and blame others when things go wrong.
• Little or no interest in personal growth.
• Expectations of being taken care of.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Yeah, a big part of this is not wanting to grow up and face the pressures of adulthood. That's why they get so obsessed with the idea of having a second puberty, it seems like another chance to grow up. The 18-24 range you brought up is spot on, none of us feel ready for it and I think some people interpret that as gender dysphoria instead of regular growing-up distress. They'll think "wow, being a woman/man is terrible, clearly something is wrong with me" and gender is an easy scapegoat.

18-24 cause I know how it is, I turn 23 next week and I wish I could go back to 17 to pick a different job stream or discipline instead of picking some garbage with which I have to suffer currently in a cubicle office job doing the coding equivalent of manual labour everyday as my shitty bosses demean me and tell me that my contributions worthless or Im always wrong cause I dont autistically follow their every command unthinkingly. Im sure everybody goes through that phase, whine a ton and become demoralized adults and I generally accept the idea that everybodys a stupid retard who make the worst decisions of their life till theyre 25, which is a pretty statistically proven fact. So I just dont think about all the crappy parts of life cause focusing on it makes it worse, Id rather contribute something to humanity and develop skills I want than sit and whine or think about useless crap like gender binary race whatever the fuck. I think its human tendency to want to go back to the past, not necessarily not grow up but go back to something familiar, something which you can handle because you know exactly how everything works. This is another something Im sure everybody thinks about at least couple times in their life, if they could go back and do something they wanted or change something for the better.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

They don't want to grow up at all. Troons don't want to be women or men, they want to be girls or boys. That's a pretty significant distinction IMO.

Troons are not a problem for the system in the same way demoralized neets and other adult children are . I agree with that but even is troons cripple themselves into an identity that requires a lot of money to keep. Transitioning means you are buying a gender, operations, hormones, cosmetics, clothes, it all comes down to money, it also needs a lot of institutional support to allow you to parade around in your fantasy lala-land without backlash.

Furries and troons are in every position in the tech industry, every algorithm is coded by a bunch of hedonistic degenerates who have nothing else in life outside their own fetishes, in this way they are the perfect operators. Troons are basically like junkies who will always come back and grovel for the system they are tied at the hip to.

 

[Procrastinhater]

a bunch of hedonistic degenerates who have nothing else in life outside their own fetishes, in this way they are the perfect operators. Troons are basically like junkies who will always come back and grovel for the system they are tied at the hip to.

This is the reason multiple cultures historically fell victim to the temptation to use Eunuchs as an administrator class, we have basically done the same thing, as troons are just a different flavor of Eunuch, we are only now learning the lesson that those cultures learned that giving Eunuchs an elevated status is a mistake as the Eunuchs manouver themselves into positions where they gather more and more power until they inevitably start to create problems, eventually leading to either the collapse of the system that creates them or a situation where the rest of society becomes so sick of the Eunuchs abuses of power the Eunuch class is purged, and it takes a few generations for people to forget before the Eunuch problem begins again.

 

[TruffleSpark]

This is the reason multiple cultures historically fell victim to the temptation to use Eunuchs as an administrator class, we have basically done the same thing, as troons are just a different flavor or Eunuch, we are only now learning the lesson that those cultures learned that giving Eunuchs an elevated status is a mistake as the Eunuchs manouver themselves into positions where they gather more and more power until they inevitably start to create problems, eventually leading to either the collapse of the system that creates them or a situation where the rest of society becomes so sick of the Eunuchs abuses of power the Eunuch class is purged, and it takes a few generations for people to forget before the Eunuch problem begins again.

It's like Varys from Game of Thrones. Except if Varys was a moron in addition to being a manipulative sociopath.

 

[Procrastinhater]

It's like Varys from Game of Thrones. Except if Varys was a moron in addition to being a manipulative sociopath.

So like Varys in the final two seasons where he suddenly became an idiot.
That show was so dissapointing once they ran out of book material.
Tbh if you just forget the final two seasons exist and end it with the Dragon lady sailing to Westeros its a far better ending. Cliffhanger endings still suck but its still better than those last 2 seasons, they were so shit they somehow retroactively made the rest of the show worse, and the worse thing is Martin is never going to finish so its the only ending its gonna have.

 

[Aloof Pessimism]

Not a loved one but a former coworker, hope it counts!

At my previous job I used to work with this guy who I knew was going to troon out ever since my first interaction with him. On the outside, a fairly normal looking dude aside from a large birthmark over his eye, which made him look like a panda.

But his personality - he was the very definition of loser/incel. Worst case I have seen. Aggressive beta personality coupled with insecurity. He was particularly nasty toward female coworkers, very passive aggressive. When you asked if he could get the huge birthmark removed, he replied with, "It makes me look like a main character, I am unique!"

Every day he kept messaging on his phone rather than working. When confronted, he quickly turned defensive. During the few times I managed to get him to talk like a human being (which was hard as he took everything as a personal insult and anything could trigger him, including compliments), he revealed he roleplays on Discord and his main hobby is playing Destiny 2. A lot. It was his life. He skipped work a few times because, "A new expansion came out!"

Whenever I managed to strike a conversation with the guy, it would inevitably turn to, "I cannot get a girlfriend!" Not just any girlfriend tho - he said he wanted a "gamer girl to play Destiny 2 with". Other times he wished to turn gay so he could have sex and - you guessed it - have someone to play games with. When I told him to go out with me and other coworkers, he replied he needs to farm for a rare pistol.

On his 24th bithday, he was down the entire day and suddenly started complaining that his OC donut steel was having sex and conquering planets when she was his age and how he feels inadequate compared to her.

I left the job for a better gig. Two years later, I thought about looking up the guy's gaming profile.

She/her pronouns, larping as a badass girl who will kick your ass. I laughed.

 

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

Haven't lost anyone to this, as yet, but I did become acquainted with a young man who says he's "trans-questioning." It happened a couple of days ago, when he joined a rather progressive Discord server I'm a part of (it used to be less so, but has become that way over the years). He made the mistake of espousing a kind of selective support of transsexuals, where the immoral ones (that he was aware of) didn't deserve to have their identities respected. The example he used was Christ-Chan, of course, and many of the transsexuals there took great offense.

He was put into a kind of quarantine zone while some of the apparently more level-headed people messaged him, in an effort to make him see the error of his ways. He capitulated, somewhat, and seemed remorseful of his "mistake." There were plans to have him join a voice-chat later in the week, to be taken to task, but he had enough of a spine to leave before that happened.

I've since talked with him, and he seems somewhat reasonable, despite his support for transsexuals. The reason for his being "trans-questioning" has to do with being groomed, in his youth (he's about 20 now), as well as convinced by some of his elders that he's apparently trans. Thankfully, he's not bought into the idea completely. His experience with the Discord server and its denizens, coupled with conversations I've had with him, has put him off the idea of being anything other than a man. The idea might still be there, subconsciously-speaking, but I hope that he'll come to disregard it entirely, sooner rather than later.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Christ-Chan,

I never know wether thats intentional or an auto correct error at this point, but after our Goddess Blue Heart, of the Commodore Consoles and the Nations of Fucktarded Insanity, decided he was the True and Honest Messiah, it never ceases to make me smile, so much so I've started calling Jesus Christian Weston Chandler Sonichu by the name Christ Chan myself.

 

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

I never know wether thats intentional or an auto correct error at this point, but after our Goddess Blue Heart, of the Commodore Consoles and the Nations of Fucktarded Insanity, decided he was the True and Honest Messiah, it never ceases to make me smile, so much so I've started calling Jesus Christian Weston Chandler Sonichu by the name Christ Chan myself.

I suppose the one name is more identifiable than anything else.