Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[AMHOLIO]

Idk I'm sure someone else can break this down more succinctly. Gib me puzzle pieces.

No puzzle pieces, no shame for dumping in the designated shitting dump thread, only feels because you and your mom going through so much.

 

[umami's milk]

Sounds like someone needs to be 5150'd.

 

[NoonmanR]

I'm curious. For those of whom who visit chatrooms, irc, matrix, discord and the like, do you ever come across random, or regulars who one day leave the chat, and then later on you find out they've not only trooned out, but talk shit, either about you, or the sever they used to share for being a transphobiac?

I've seen it a few times and its fascinating to see how profoundly sensitive they are, just how utterly incapable of dealing with even the smallest slight, and how nasty they get if pegged as a transphobe, with allegations of them trying to talk about you behind your back to friends.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I'm curious. For those of whom who visit chatrooms, irc, matrix, discord and the like, do you ever come across random, or regulars who one day leave the chat, and then later on you find out they've not only trooned out, but talk shit, either about you, or the sever they used to share for being a transphobiac?

I've seen this in IRC, back in the day. I think this is what happens when there isn't troon critical mass on the first server.

The person being inducted into the cult stands astride two friend groups: one full of people they've known for years, one of perma-online NEETs who are selling salvation with their one-size-fits-all answer. The basic cult strategy is to isolate the inductee and convince them they're being persecuted by the rest of the world, so the troons help them reframe every little slight, every years-old argument, as transphobia.

The victim keeps quiet about this on their home server but slowly believes the troons more and more, and stews over everything bad that's ever happened to them as the troons listen sympathetically. Finally the victim snaps and overreacts to something innocuous on the home server, bringing out the big guns of systemic transphobia and the list of everything they're mad about.

The home server had no idea this was going on in the person's head, so it seems like a sudden psychotic break, and nobody knows how to react. The troon server is ready to ass-pat and tell the victim that wow, since your reasonable attempt to set boundaries failed, you should definitely cut those transphobes off and block everyone.

If there are multiple troon inductees on the home server, they stay in place and install draconian pro-troon mod policies instead.

 

[nonespecified]

My daughter had massive breakdowns and screaming fits at us over her supposed transness. I refused to buy her a binder, wouldn't let her get that half-shaved tranny haircut, and I wouldnt pay for "gender affirmation therapy" sessions. it was 100% obvious she was suffering from crushign self esteem and rejection. She met a nice boy two years ago and stopped the hair cut/dye routine,s tarted dressing girly, and seems pretty happy now and hasn't mentioned "trans" for a long long time. She also talks about having kids and staying home and taking care of them and the house and all that.

Maybe this guy's just her "beard" as it were, but I'm hopeful...

Daughter thanked my wife and I for not giving in to her craziness the other week on a vacation trip, almost in tears. She said it would have been the worse mistake of her life if she'd carried through with what she thought she wanted three years ago...

 

[BlaireWhitesBottom2]

Yes he would steal my underwear.

He was a liar. A really good one. I don’t feel good about being duped but he played a good hand

He’s into anal play but I think instead of abdl he’sa furry.

Holy shit it really makes me feel retarded. I just needed to get it out.

I swear women Lowkey like being lied to

IM AUTISTIC FOR LIFE, NO AMOUNT OF ESTROGEN AND SPIRO WILL DESTROY THE AUTISM IN MY VEINS

I rated this Austin because you are Austin but I exhaled breath slightly harder than usual here

A few years ago a co-worker had very eagerly showed me that her son 9 or 10 year old son was really into drag race. I just remember the look on her face she was so excited to show me ( a gay man) In my head, I was just like "what you want a prize or ass pats cause your kid is probably gay? I dont care " Just found out he trooned out. He must be like 12 or 13 now. Makes me sad that so many gay boys are being trooned out by their munchie moms.

I don't get this, I fucking loved and still love sports and wrestling. IDC if the kid is gay but even if he's like a twink type he better get his ass on that diving board or in them skates like Bryan boitano

i'll have to report him to the police before i can move due to the lease. it's just rattled me so bad and every time i've tried to speak to the other tenants or some of my friends, they're telling me to be understanding and that it's a "difficult time" for him.

You should hit him with a 2 by 4 while he sleeps

Somewhat ironically, you're going to have to do exactly what gay kids did in the 90s.

When your parents don't accept you for who you are (usually due to propaganda and groupthink) but you depend on them financially, you closet yourself as hard as you can for as long as it takes to better your situation and get independent.

They might try conversion therapy, but you DO NOT fight it. Roll over, lie your ass off, chant TWAW out loud while thinking YWNBAW in your heart. Become the bestest most accepting troon loving son they could hope for and they may even fund the tuition or security deposit or whatever you want from them.

You're in a fight for your survival so you have to lie and cheat and manipulate until you get to safety.

There's the extra wrinkle of what is happening to your sister, but once you've saved yourself and established some ally cred you can be the lifeboat for her if she ever comes to her senses.

Spoiler: And when it is time

you remember that they were willing to put you on the street for visiting the no-no forum and choose their nursing home accordingly

This person most definitely should secure an existence for their people!

A man who did this would not only be fired but would have the cops called on him.

Just imagine any circumstance where a guy could get away with this kind of overt lunacy on the job. The only ones I can think of is if he was himself trooning out, or if he was in a position of extreme power, like a major political figure or Hollywood jerk.

I've thrown a chair but that was to break up a fight at my job

 

[TruffleSpark]

A few years ago a co-worker had very eagerly showed me that her son 9 or 10 year old son was really into drag race. I just remember the look on her face she was so excited to show me ( a gay man) In my head, I was just like "what you want a prize or ass pats cause your kid is probably gay? I dont care " Just found out he trooned out. He must be like 12 or 13 now. Makes me sad that so many gay boys are being trooned out by their munchie moms.

I fucking hate the way gender non conformity has been pathologised. We've reinvented traditional gender roles by forcing people who don't fit stereotypes expected of their gender to become the opposite gender instead of finding self acceptance. Ironically it is very anti LGB to treat feminine gay men like they are just women in denial. LBGs yet another community that extended a helping hand toward the Ts and got it bitten off in response.

 

[PandaChai]

And another one to the pile. This girl was one of my best friends in secondary school and now she's a pale ghost of herself, like the colour drained out of her when she switched up her pronouns. It doesn't help that her wife is a domineering control freak.

Following from this, I had a long browse through her socials to try to gain an understanding of the current level of transing... Heavens, I have never seen an AGP smirk on an honest-to-God woman before! I really do hope she sticks with just the pronouns and gender-neutral name change.

(Briefly posted this in the pooner thread before deleting, wrongly thinking it was the dedicated thread for TIFs. Is there one of those? and my search-fu is just subpar.)

 

[Gollum Grindset]

This thread is really eye opening. I bet if I showed it to some people on the fence I could change their minds, lol.

Somehow I've managed to avoid knowing any troons. Then again, I'm also incredibly shit at keeping up with people so if anyone I knew trooned out I'd have no idea, but I don't think my closest friends were the troon type. I've never gotten along well with the SJW crowd, and I ended up with many of my friends in high school being more conservative than me.

Spoiler: Barely relevant SJW anecdote

I met more SJW types in college, and in retrospect it's actually funny how much they hated me. I remember one class I had I ended up sitting next to those types the first day, and they were nice enough at first, but in the course of talking with one I managed to say something that offended him and he never talked to me again for the rest of the semester. I can't help but laugh at that when thinking about it.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

THAT'S HOW IT STARTS

I don't know what it was about Homestuck but every single girl I knew that read that comic (we're talking about 30+ girls here) trooned out or thought about trooning out. I swear there was some MKUltra shit involved. Homestuck was the nerdy autistic girl magnet and if you are a woman and you read that comic and kept your sanity, congratulations, you're immune to brainwashing and your existence makes glowies seethe.

 

[Neil McCauley]

I don't know what it was about Homestuck but every single girl I knew that read that comic (we're talking about 30+ girls here) trooned out or thought about trooning out. I swear there was some MKUltra shit involved. Homestuck was the nerdy autistic girl magnet and if you are a woman and you read that comic and kept your sanity, congratulations, you're immune to brainwashing and your existence makes glowies seethe.

I feel so bad for this generation's teenagers trying to find girls. I've heard first-hand from my younger cousin there is no more nerdy autistic girl stereotype, they have all trooned out somehow for one reason or another. It's not anime that does this, wtf makes them want to troon out?

 

[umami's milk]

I feel so bad for this generation's teenagers trying to find girls. I've heard first-hand from my younger cousin there is no more nerdy autistic girl stereotype, they have all trooned out somehow for one reason or another. It's not anime that does this, wtf makes them want to troon out?

To be fair. The numbers of autistic nerdy men are also starting to dwindle for many of the same reasons.

 

[Baraadmirer]

It's not anime that does this, wtf makes them want to troon out?

Echo chambers telling them that if they don't want to feel uncomfortable with their developing bodies in puberty, they can chop them off and go on T. Plus it has the alleged benefit of repelling men, seemingly ignorant of the sub-population that chants "flat is justice".

 

[On a Journey]

I don't know what it was about Homestuck but every single girl I knew that read that comic (we're talking about 30+ girls here) trooned out or thought about trooning out. I swear there was some MKUltra shit involved. Homestuck was the nerdy autistic girl magnet and if you are a woman and you read that comic and kept your sanity, congratulations, you're immune to brainwashing and your existence makes glowies seethe.

Spoiler: Extremely cringe PL

I’m an autistic nerdy girl who was into Homestuck when I was 14 (towards the end of its popularity) but I didn’t really like tumblr (I always felt something really off-putting about fandom spaces) so I was spared the worst of it. I had a very brief non-binary phase (literally searched on tumblr for lists of identities until I found one to try and fit in lmfao) but realized it was retarded before telling my parents or anything.

I don’t think the issue was Homestuck itself, just that it was integrated into the super toxic and brainwashy tumblr communities. My friend who just started T was super deep in the tumblr yaoi shit and she’s the main reason I used tumblr at all. We once went to an anime convention together where I cosplayed as one of the Homestuck characters (I’m cringing so hard rn).

Like I said in my previous post, all of my high school friends are now troons of some kind, except for one who was trans in highschool then detransitioned. He got actual help for his bipolar disorder and suddenly his gender dysphoria mysteriously disappeared. I’m not sure what it is about me that prevented full brainwashing. I was deep in this shit but not quite as entrenched as my friends were. Anyways, I wasn’t fully rid of the brainwashing until I spent a few months here. It legit felt like leaving a cult and having to deprogram yourself.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

Spoiler: Extremely cringe PL

I’m an autistic nerdy girl who was into Homestuck when I was 14 (towards the end of its popularity) but I didn’t really like tumblr (I always felt something really off-putting about fandom spaces) so I was spared the worst of it. I had a very brief non-binary phase (literally searched on tumblr for lists of identities until I found one to try and fit in lmfao) but realized it was retarded before telling my parents or anything.

I don’t think the issue was Homestuck itself, just that it was integrated into the super toxic and brainwashy tumblr communities. My friend who just started T was super deep in the tumblr yaoi shit and she’s the main reason I used tumblr at all. We once went to an anime convention together where I cosplayed as one of the Homestuck characters (I’m cringing so hard rn).

Like I said in my previous post, all of my high school friends are now troons of some kind, except for one who was trans in highschool then detransitioned. He got actual help for his bipolar disorder and suddenly his gender dysphoria mysteriously disappeared. I’m not sure what it is about me that prevented full brainwashing. I was deep in this shit but not quite as entrenched as my friends were. Anyways, I wasn’t fully rid of the brainwashing until I spent a few months here. It legit felt like leaving a cult and having to deprogram yourself.

I don’t think the issue was Homestuck itself, just that it was integrated into the super toxic and brainwashy tumblr communities.

The Tumblr echochamber was historic. It's from the way interactions were collected and recorded. There is no dislike, there is no ratio. All attention is good attention. You may see a post with 2,000 notes and every other reblog could be telling OP to kill themselves for making such a stupid post but on the surface, it's 2,000 notes and it looks positive.

The reason I have suspicions about Homestuck is because according to my understanding, it has themes of transformation and rebirth and reality being subjective. I tried to read it but found the lore too confusing. There's also some dimensional incest reality bend or something. I don't get it. I don't want to get it. Sisters are each others moms? Grandma is this boy's sister? Everyone's related but not really?

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

.....
Guys.
It's finally happening to me in real time. They aren't trooning out, but someone close to them is.
My cousin used to be the median lefty that said kids shouldn't be on blockers, have surgery, etc etc... then a 16 year old she knows in an unstable home environment with an abusive mother decided to troon out. Ofc it's a girl switching to a boy.
Now she's saying the same talking points as a troon, it's like watching this shit in slow motion. I tried interferring by showing the surgery thread, exact quote? "All surgeries have risks, plastic surgeries have complications all the time." I knew saying that level of complication doesn't happen wouldn't work, she's extremely stubborn. So I decided to go with "then it shouldn't be available for anyone until you're 25 when your brain stops developing. It isn't like most elective surgeries fix anything, it just encourages people to hate their own bodies." She agreed with that, but we'll see for how long.

I'm fucking broken hearted, guys. I decided to treat the kid as a man, not a boy but a man, everything down to "well what are you gonna do? You can't just cry about it, nobody takes a man that cries seriously." (She was crying about something stupid, like an arguement) she seemed offended until her younger brother agreed, saying "yeah (newname!) If I cry in front of boys at school I get beat up. We're both men, gotta act like it!"

Obviously men can cry n shit, but not to every minor inconvinience or thing that scares you. I sure as fuck don't and I'm a woman.
I've also started giving her the talks on not being alone with a girl because you can be falsely accused of something you didn't do, etc. She's lucky she's freakishly tall, nearing 5'10 at her age and still growing, so that'll help. She doesn't need top surgery because shes small chested but that's what shes going for...
I really hoped those unplesant sides to being a man would help her snap out of it but... nope. Oh, and she's autistic and bpd, so she's def gonna regret it. I just hope she doesn't rope. She's a sweet kid, just.... very sick.

 

[Doseferatu]

I watched this video again:

I've come to a conclusion as to why Ted Patrick was successful in deprogramming cult members.

1) He would have them in an enclosed space for days where he could talk to them as needed.
2) He would snatch them from the cult and isolate them from the cult.

Now, I'm not advocating for illegal actions here, but if someone were audacious and cared enough to effectively kidnap and isolate a tranny for days, I wonder what the result would be. I've read through quite a few stories on this thread, and people are afraid to speak up too loudly, so I don't see something like this happening.

The part I don't understand is what they're specifically hooking people in with - I know they push the line that you should discard any family or friends who disagree with your decision to go trans, but there has to be more. Typically with cults, they try to make you feel like dogshit so they can offer a convenient solution to you feeling like dogshit. I'm just curious as to how they approach prospective cult members in a way that gets them interested in their particular "cure" for what ails them - do they outright denigrate them or do they say that everyone is against them because they're secretly trans?

 

[SIMIΔN]

The part I don't understand is what they're specifically hooking people in with - I know they push the line that you should discard any family or friends who disagree with your decision to go trans, but there has to be more. Typically with cults, they try to make you feel like dogshit so they can offer a convenient solution to you feeling like dogshit. I'm just curious as to how they approach prospective cult members in a way that gets them interested in their particular "cure" for what ails them - do they outright denigrate them or do they say that everyone is against them because they're secretly trans?

Most young men have exposed themselves to literally hundreds of hours of videos of women being pleasured. Is it no wonder that they wish that was them.
Other young men a torn apart by mothers with a grudge against the entire male gender, and want to be the daughter they never had.

 

[FatalTater]

I was thinking about what it is that makes tumblr the common denominater in so many transition stories. I have a theory.

People going on tumblr for fan content and fun things, they get their lil' brains full of dopamine.
Then, they come across a story where someone talks about not feeling like they fit in, gender-wise. Understandable, it happens sometimes.
More fun things, more dopamine.
Another story about someone feeling bad until they stop conforming and do something LGBTWeird. Okay.
Fun things, dopamine. Lots of genderswapped art and cosplays. Fun!
Fun things, dopamine. Stories about coming out, stories about transitioning, Pride parade pics and videos. Art! Friends! Love! Tolerance!
Fun things, dopamine... hmm. So many of these stories seem relatable. Fellow humans feeling awkward, then comfortable. I have occasionally felt awkward. Maybe...

Hell I read on tumblr sometimes just to amuse myself and I have questioned my own orientation and I'm not a kid by a fair margin. I didn't feel it strong enough to change anything but the fact that I was reading tumblr a lot at the time when I was thinking like that tells me there's something going on there.

 

[Here to Gawk]

I've come to a conclusion as to why Ted Patrick was successful in deprogramming cult members.

1) He would have them in an enclosed space for days where he could talk to them as needed.
2) He would snatch them from the cult and isolate them from the cult.

Now, I'm not advocating for illegal actions here, but if someone were audacious and cared enough to effectively kidnap and isolate a tranny for days, I wonder what the result would be. I've read through quite a few stories on this thread, and people are afraid to speak up too loudly, so I don't see something like this happening.

Closest I've got is this article where a mother basically did this to her teenage daughter who was falling into gender cult. The mom claims it deprogrammed the daughter.

What I've Learned Rescuing My Daughter From Her Transgender Fantasy

Anime, social media, and an older teen girl all played a role in my once girly daughter's abrupt announcement that she was now transgender.

www.dailysignal.com

I went nuclear. I took the phone and stripped it of all social media—YouTube, Instagram, Discord, Reddit, Pinterest, Twitter. I even blocked her ability to get to the internet. I deleted all of her contacts and changed her phone number.

I sat next to her while she “attended” school online via Zoom. I deleted YouTube from the smart TVs and locked up the remotes. I took every anime book from her room. I threw away all of her costumes. I banned any friend who was even the slightest bit unsavory.

I involved the police about the porn. I printed out the law and informed her that if anyone sent her porn, I would not hesitate to prosecute.

She hated me like an addict hates the person preventing her drug fix. I held my ground, despite the constant verbal abuse.

After going through seven mental health professionals, I found an out-of-state psychiatrist who was willing to examine the causality for my daughter’s sudden trans identity.

I immersed myself in reading everything on the issue, talking to other parents and other professionals. I worked unceasingly to re-create the bond she and I used to share.

After a year and half of utter hell, my daughter is finally returning to her authentic self—a beautiful, artsy, kind and loving daughter.