Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

so i wonder what's wrong with homestuck that makes kids want to take hormone injections?

Its fandom was based on tumblr so all those kids who liked the webcomic ended up gatewayed into the biggest echo chamber and groomers nest of the time.

While the MLP people did shit like this:

Bronies started on 4chan so it makes sense their autism and faggotry has its own flavor. They had that ml/pol/ thing which i think still exists as its own site.

 

[Your Psychologist]

The whole family got together and compared notes because everyone got a different story.

rasho-hon lol

 

[Pedophobe]

Is it worth sending him one last message telling him the harsh truth but also telling him I love him and would gladly help him if he ever wanted to come back? Or is it just a waste of time?

Even if he doesn't appreciate it, I think you would probably benefit from sending it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Bronies started on 4chan so it makes sense their autism and faggotry has its own flavor. They had that ml/pol/ thing which i think still exists as its own site.

My understanding is that /ml/pol started as an april fools joke that took on a life of its own afterwards. Figures that /pol/tards and bronies would find common ground, considering they both started out as almighty shitposts that wouldn't die.

 

[gata]

Its fandom was based on tumblr so all those kids who liked the webcomic ended up gatewayed into the biggest echo chamber and groomers nest of the time.

Which also is the time livejournal was dying or getting unpopular. That site was ground zero for the pre-wokes/sjw ideologues. Then these people migrated to Tumblr who then interacted with the easily influenced minors in the fandoms sphere. Adding the exodus of tumblr users to twitter, It's like the unfortunate timing and mixing of the worst online people that led to the wokescold hellscape we are in.
I'll still gonna blame hussie though, because homestuck is still one of the big factors on western fandoms thinking racewashing characters is ok or the amount of gender nonsense getting popular. The alien trolls and their cringe internet quirks was a mistake and I'm glad that series is in the gutter right now for it deserved to rot in obscurity for the modern garbage it influenced.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Which also is the time livejournal was dying or getting unpopular. That site was ground zero for the pre-wokes/sjw ideologues. Then these people migrated to Tumblr who then interacted with the easily influenced minors in the fandoms sphere. Adding the exodus of tumblr users to twitter, It's like the unfortunate timing and mixing of the worst online people that led to the wokescold hellscape we are in.
I'll still gonna blame hussie though, because homestuck is still one of the big factors on western fandoms thinking racewashing characters is ok or the amount of gender nonsense getting popular. The alien trolls and their cringe internet quirks was a mistake and I'm glad that series is in the gutter right now for it deserved to rot in obscurity for the modern garbage it influenced.

Groomers always move and set shop wherever there are teens congregating. It must be awful being a parent now, rven if your kid likes something that is inocuous ans age appropiate the "community" online will be a bunch of trannies and furfags with whole bags of ideology and rule 34 fetish porn of that ip to unload on their underdeveloped brain

 

[baldo_giovane]

After witnessing the horrors in this thread I'm truly afraid of what will happen to a close friend.
Let's say by not having enough autism + a bit of luck I avoided being groomed when younger — total lack of hair due to problems from like 12 led to somehow being rejected enough by peers offline but not online so puter friends = good friends, plus no body hair apparently means being more feminine and stuff, basically prime vulnerable grooming subject — and I'm now very familiar with discord/4chan trannies.

I've also seen two people get sucked in, both through furry telegram groups, then discord, then the whole real life pastel aesthetic, imitation of how a girl should be in their twisted idea thing.

The thing is I'm very worried about this girl: she's past prime grooming years since she's over 18, but has always been one of the alphabet letters, and told me a couple times she's been questioning being a "she" and maybe feels more of a "they".
Troubled childhood, mommy issues which cause panic attacks and ptsd, (very mild) daddy issues due to absence, feminist activism, tomboysh aura but can still wear dresses and such still make her an "egg" however, plus she'll soon go to one of the best (and most liberal) art universities in the UK.
To me this screams DANGER from every fucking side you can possibly imagine. Plus knowing how UK trannies are I'm getting more anxious as her moving date approaches. I'll try to be with her for the first weeks and plan to visit very often, but nonetheless I know I'll have to live with the fear of her getting sucked into this vortex.

How am i supposed to react in this situation? I cannot sit back and watch, but I can't step in and ban her from using discord or telegram either. I'm just at a loss.

I have a very positive update: even though her university is an hotbed for troons, and her views shifted ever so slightly towards neutrality by losing bits of support, there was not even a dent in her true self; she got into crocheting/knitting which to me reinforces femininity and really scares the troon (i.e. an actual, non sexual hobby), got and made lots of very girly clothes like dresses, tops, vests, etc. and we even got to laugh at some troony loonacy:

There was this art exhibit at her university she asked me to help setup, and the moment i entered the warehouse i spotted a greasy, badly dyed hair, spinny skirt wearing tranny among the true and honest girls there. I stared and the beast stared back. I knew it knew I knew, and i instantly noticed he couldn't stand me, the cis hetero boring male, interfering in his girly moment with the gals.
Whenever my friend moved to work on stuff i followed her, and once she got near the tranny i could feel his euphoria boner disappearing as he instantly moved out of the way.
Then when the troon left he toppled my bag by kicking it and making it look like an accident, spilling some of the content onto dust and other construction debris while i watched.
I did not intervene to avoid making a scene, but later told my friend about this public display of troonery in action, and while the reaction i was expecting from her was at least a bit pissed, i got some laughs back and my concerns validated with her saying that "she looked very unkept and a bit creepy".

On the other hand, one troon i mentioned (the pastel cringy one) cut off the last bits of contact with me, and i think it's not the only thing that's being cut off. The situation has been spiraling for a bit as i was in a common gc that slowly became a tranny themed hugbox where he mainly published tranny themed memes that got progressively worse and more aggressive, truly depressing everyday situations caused by trannydom, and cringeworthy roleplay. I logged back a night to the gc nowhere to be found (i think i was removed), so at least i'm not watching him and his friends' circus anymore.

 

[nonnita]

Just had a second of my brothers "find out" that he is trans. He told me he's been reading about it and he never gave it serious consideration, but now that he's talked directly to the cult, he realized he's been trans all along. All the difficulties in his life was because he rejected his true self. It's not that he's been broke as fuck since he moved out. It's not that he grew up isolated from anyone in his age group. It's not that he's paying child support. The only reason he's not happy is because he's not wearing a dress.

He is 40 years old and has a wife and kids. It's one thing to destroy yourself, it's another to destroy your family.

Don't forget that this cult preys on the sick and needy. The common threads between him and my other MTF brother is recreational drug abuse, personality disorders, and legal troubles. Our family was poor and our parents would likely be considered abusive. I've also struggled with mental health issues, and in another timeline, I would have been brainwashed too.

If you guys have anything I could tell him to try to snap him out of it, then I'm all ears. It just really fucking sucks that another person I love and respected is dying.

i'm so sorry for his wife and kids... what does she think of this? if she knows about his retardation

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Extremely masculine acquaintance in his 30s (square-jawed, built like a lumberjack, has a young child) last month announced he had started estrogen.

I had not seen his socials for a while, and went to look out of curiosity after I saw the announcement. For the last six months (at least) he has been posting increasingly strange borderline-explicit photos of himself (although strangely not in women's clothing, or not yet anyway). I wonder how much of the troon spiral is just caused by falling in deep with the wrong crowd and not realizing how abnormal your behavior is gradually becoming. Particularly since genderists do nothing but validate each other no matter how strange or self-destructive the behavior.

The strangest part was that his announcement and follow up posts got very little engagement or congratulations even though he has (had?) a normal amount of friends and we both run in liberal circles. I doubt that everyone has secretly peaked, it's more likely that his recent behavior makes people uncomfortable so they are choosing to ignore him rather than think too deeply about what transgenderism means in heterosexual men.

Bizarre. Is the "wrong crowd" by any chance a bunch of swingers/"bipolypagangeeks"? I have seen multiple "nerd" friends with seemingly normal and stable lives get sucked into troonery and other bad things via that route. I don't mean guys who were foreveralone and wanted to become the gf, I mean guys who were nerdy and awkward but had a stable gf, maybe even a wife and kids. They get sucked into the poly scene by one of the many recruiters (it's a sexual MLM so everyone is a recruiter) and start acting out in repulsive and uncomfortable ways. Some time down the line, if they don't bail out and come to their senses, troonery, weird fetish shit, becoming a sex pest, some combination or all of the above.

It's like a porn addiction but somehow even sadder. They blow up their nice normal lives and normal friendships by constantly trying to arrange hookups and sexualizing every interaction.

 

[behindyourightnow]

Bizarre. Is the "wrong crowd" by any chance a bunch of swingers/"bipolypagangeeks"? I have seen multiple "nerd" friends with seemingly normal and stable lives get sucked into troonery and other bad things via that route. I don't mean guys who were foreveralone and wanted to become the gf, I mean guys who were nerdy and awkward but had a stable gf, maybe even a wife and kids. They get sucked into the poly scene by one of the many recruiters (it's a sexual MLM so everyone is a recruiter) and start acting out in repulsive and uncomfortable ways. Some time down the line, if they don't bail out and come to their senses, troonery, weird fetish shit, becoming a sex pest, some combination or all of the above.

I don't know him well enough to know for sure, but from the context clues I saw, that would not surprise me. Even if it's not polys, the situation sounds like what you describe.

The strangest part is that despite his age and having a kid, he doesn't seem to fit at all into the standard AGP late-transitioner troonout pattern. He seems to be a genuinely devoted dad who isn't jealous of the attention his (separated) partner gets. No incel vibes. Even with the inappropriate pictures he doesn't seem to be an exhibitionist, it's more like he genuinely doesn't realize he is being inappropriate. Obviously there is some AGP going on, but it doesn't seem to be the main driver. I do know COVID was hard on this man for various reasons and he is probably depressed and has other problems.

I am thinking about what you said about sexual MLMs and also about how some TiMs (and even some actual women) have a fetish for finding a guy and gradually making him into a sissy. I wonder if he's fallen into something like that (I'm not trying to make excuses for him, he is an adult and has agency and should know better).

 

[Scoia'tael]

Sorry to just jump in here and dump but my baby sister just announced that she's cutting the family off because we're transphobic and she's transitioning to a boy. She's only 16.

Spoiler: emotionally compromised word vomit

I've been living abroad for work and came home for the first time in 2 years to visit family. I knew she'd made the switch to they/them recently and she's always been sort of odd,reserved, probably autistic, and just not traditionally feminine so it wasn't like it came out of the blue per se. I'd been considering it (from my admittedly distant vantage point) as any normal harmless teenage attempt to find an identity because they've always been exceptionally sensible and capable of critical thinking.Our family is very accepting of any kind of experimentation with presentation and fashion and behavior. I spent the entirety of my teenage years trying to shock my parents into disowning me to absolutely no avail and I figured she was just doing the same.

Our mother is a staunch second wave feminist and is very supportive of trans people but refuses to go so far as to outright deny biological reality (i.e "trans men are trans men. Not men" and "you can get whatever surgeries you want when you turn 18") and it's been a hard adjustment for her to switch to they pronouns for my sister. I am here posting to kf so I feel like my opinions about the whole thing need no explanation. I know my mom and sister have spoken about the issue at length - her desire for surgery, my mother's staunch belief that she can get it at 18 and not a moment earlier, a name change which everyone adopted without issue, and numerous talks about gender identity and the state of the trans agenda. I haven't spoken much with my sister about it but I have spoken with my mom on the topic and I feel that my name may have come up in some of these contentious conversations.

Anyway cue tonight at dinner and my sister abruptly announces she's leaving home to live with friends and has a consultation for top surgery scheduled and she hates both of us and is going no contact with the whole family except our other sister. I'm gutted. My heart is broken. My poor mother is beside herself. I feel like maybe if I'd been closer to home these past years I could have helped or at least been able to drag her out of the cult before she got so deep into it. I had no idea things were this bad or that she hated me this much. I am just in shock. This is my baby sister and I would die for her but I also won't swallow my pride and lie to her face that "yes honey your little 5'2 waifish self will someday be indistinguishable from a man". I don't want to see her hurt but also I don't know what to do.

Edit: to add context also my mother is currently undergoing treatment for cancer. The stress of this is probably the catalyst but also definitely makes this to date the most unforgivably selfish thing my sister has ever done.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

One thing i would like to point out, that is if you "lose" someone to transitioning, then they were never really your friend to begin with. I haven't seen that in this thread atleast after my quick skim of it. But I think you gent's know that already.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Edit: to add context also my mother is currently undergoing treatment for cancer. The stress of this is probably the catalyst but also definitely makes this to date the most unforgivably selfish thing my sister has ever done.

If your sister ever recapacitates she is gonna carry that guilt forever, thats the kind of thing that one could never wash off. If she doesn't come to her senses remember that cults will turn victims into victimizers and that no matter how much you love her your sister will still be responsible for all the ugly things she does to you and your family. If she really becomes a bad person she would have earned the bad things that come to her.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

THAT'S HOW IT STARTS

Was my first thought as soon as I saw that along with the mention of MLP.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

@Scoia'tael , you could not have stopped this if you tried. It's a cult, they're very good at brainwashing. It's kinda their thing.

Before she cuts you all off, say, very clearly: "fine, but mom may not be here if you change your mind." Personally, I'd add "and neither will I, because of your absolute selfishness" but I understand if you can't write that, or don't feel the same way. Third party view, all that.
I feel so angry on your and your moms behalf, I had to end a close family relationship to someone young as well. Not to troonery, thank god, but I wouldn't be shocked of their "partner" decided to at some point. (Her faggot of a boyfriend doesn't like being calles a bf because 'it's too heteronormative')
Sending you all the hugs and support you can withstand, this shit is harder than I think anything else.
(Spoiler: ) PL but this seems like the thread for it. I've lost 2 close family members, including a parent. Losing this younger member hurts so much worse, and one of the deaths was half a year, the other unexpected, so I have a fair comparison (/spoiler)

Watching people fall for the cult and be praised is like watching people self harm and be encouraged to continue. It is self harm, they're isolating themselves and butchering their bodies, closing themselves off from everybody, irreversibly changing their bodies and heightening cancer, auto immune and skeletal risks.

 

[popnloch ness monster]

mother is a staunch second wave feminist and is very supportive of trans people

you get what you deserve

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

One someone transitions, I don't want them to detransition. They're not welcome back.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Watching people fall for the cult and be praised is like watching people self harm and be encouraged to continue.

It's just like the pro-ana fad that was so popular about 20 years ago. Same beats, same in-group affirmation, similar outcomes, except instead of surgery, they just starved themselves until their bodies fell apart.

 

[Scoia'tael]

you could not have stopped this if you tried. It's a cult, they're very good at brainwashing. It's kinda their thing.

Thank you so much for your kind words. As to your comparison of the whole thing to self harm:

Spoiler

I even made that comparison to my sisters face. I basically made the comparison of anorexia and body dysmorphia with her own "gender dysphoria". I've struggled very publicly with anorexia throughout my life and I thought that comparison would at least make her see  something given what a toll it had on my family at the time. I was also a massive tomboy as a young teen and wore only boys clothes and had a shaved head and went by the masculine version of my name, I'd kind of hoped that both of those things would have been enough to prove that you can exist however you want and still be yourself but no dice.

I do wonder, sometimes, where/if any of this will end. I remember when it was first ramping up in online spaces populated by young teens (primarily girls at the time) and watching it come into vogue in real time was a trip and a half. In hindsight it feels a bit like I outran a tsunami or something, like it almost got me but not quite.

There's a certain type of self centered individualism that it involves and I wonder how much of that stems from how isolated people are these days (especially in a post-lockdown world, regardless of your opinions on the pandemic itself you have to admit that the lockdowns had an adverse effect on the general cultural psyche). I feel like the highly targeted nature of algorithm-driven social media content plays a role too - its nearly impossible to come across any kind of opinion that differs from yours unless you go looking for it which both heightens the feeling of isolation and also allows for these alternate narratives around "trans genocide" or "a stinkditch/arm sausage is identical to a real vag/penis". Idk I'm sure someone else can break this down more succinctly. Gib me puzzle pieces.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I do wonder, sometimes, where/if any of this will end. I remember when it was first ramping up in online spaces populated by young teens (primarily girls at the time) and watching it come into vogue in real time was a trip and a half.

The rising of the algorithm makes it faster, but it's the institutional "affirmation" that's giving this legs.

Imagine teachers looking out for signs of anorexia, so they can support those students and provide a special non-eating space at lunch, and give the kids tips on hiding it from their parents. If a parent brings their daughter to the pediatrician in concern, they get told how to adjust their attitudes. The President signs a paper that says not providing Diet Coke to tweens on demand is genocide.

Anyone remember when we weren't supposed to publicize teen suicides, for fear of contagion? If TikTok fads can be blamed for kids chugging DXM or hotwiring Kias, how is "maybe that phone gave you trans" hate speech?