Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Corn Flakes]

It's so weird.. I know so many Discord users who fly across the US or even across the ocean just to meet someone they talked to online and e-sex'd, and they think it's a real relationship and it's gonna cure all their sadness. It never goes well. Just recently I know someone who paid for his boyfriend to fly over to meet him; they lasted a whole week and then began to hate each other. Idk what it is with gay guys having bad experiences with long distance relationships, but I imagine it's even worse with trannies.

Long-distance relationships in general are a crapshoot. For every successful story where someone moved across the country (or the world) to be with their beloved, there are ten more where the whole thing fell apart within weeks of the two people having to actually live together. Once you stop seeing the curated version of the person's life and find out how they actually are, the shattering of the illusion is very jarring for most people.

I can only imagine it's even worse with trannies, because 90% of them are straight guys. No matter how much they say they love cock, they're not going to be satisfied with another man, no matter how many anime wigs that man owns.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

One of my childhood best friends now identifies as non-binary and her husband now says he's a woman. Growing up she and I were always together and we both had huge crushes on each other. Then we went to different schools and I saw her less and less as a result she met a boy that would later become her husband. From the getgo I always had weird feelings about him and I always knew them to be in arguments with each other. Her parents, who to this day I'm still close to and even go to the same church congregation with, did not like this boy and thought he was a ungrateful and selfish. After seeing her posts online I wonder what would have happened if I went to the same school or if we stayed together while teenagers. While we most likely would not have gotten married I'm sure she wouldn't have dated her now husband. Without him would she never gone down this path? It really breaks my heart.

The what could've beens always hurt particularly bad. I'm sorry you're going through this with a childhood friend and first love.

If you read the SRS and Surgeons thread you will learn that these people who modify their bodies in this extreme way do tend to become permanent medical patients. Lopping off your tits cannot be painless and the butchers don't give a shit about their patient's health most of the time, so I'm sure she got botched. It wouldn't surprise me if she is bedbound from the pain.

Oh trust me, I've read that thread. I see it as a possible mix of both, but I have no doubt she's experiencing pain at least. I just know I'm gonna see some fucked up topless photo of her forced smiling while writing about how validating it is to lose her breasts and I'm not ready for it. She looked like she was trying not to break down crying with her T anniversary photos.

One of the few trans women that I thought was one of the "normal" ones actually isn't (shocker I know). Has gone full on retard with the tranny stuff. His (god I can't even use she/her for him anymore, that's how little respect I have now) tweets and retweets are just agp shit and pro Keffals crap. One tweet that really pissed me off was some fucker tweeting that saying that autistic women can't consent was much worse than anything Keffals has ever said. As an autistic woman, I am insulted and disgusted. I haven't unfollowed yet but I'm so sick of this shit. Even the other ftms and enbies I am acquainted with post their insanity between other non troon related topics.

Long-distance relationships in general are a crapshoot. For every successful story where someone moved across the country (or the world) to be with their beloved, there are ten more where the whole thing fell apart within weeks of the two people having to actually live together. Once you stop seeing the curated version of the person's life and find out how they actually are, the shattering of the illusion is very jarring for most people.

I can only imagine it's even worse with trannies, because 90% of them are straight guys. No matter how much they say they love cock, they're not going to be satisfied with another man, no matter how many anime wigs that man owns.

I suppose I'm one of the success stories. It probably helped that we were initially friends and bonded over non coom shit. Like other relationships we've had some low af periods but we worked to get over them. Most of these relationships sound like extended hookups more than anything. If the relationship is based on cooming, of course it's gonna fail in weeks.

 

[Ser Prize]

Seeing my sister trying to LARP as a doughly manlet makes me want to snicker whenever I see it. I'm past pity at this point.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

This compounding with the realization that many waifufags troon out in an attempt to emulate that which they cannot obtain makes me think that they've taken this strange form of escapism so far that their "alter ego" has taken over completely

This is always painful to see and once you notice it you can't unsee it, is so transparent and sad specially when you know the person's history enough to know they are skinwalking their own fetish version of real women they were infatuated with but could never obtain or a unicorn waifu OC from their favorite fiction and you recognize exactly who/what they are aping. Is like they create a tulpa that takes over them. They loose their own self so much in layers of fantasy and escapism that all that subconscious stuff melts together and manifest as a mutant.

I don't know if this makes sense but it reminds me of those hiper-realistic versions of cartoons some people make that look cursed as fuck. Homer simpson or spongebob or some anime girl looks endearing and cute in their own fake idea realm but when you translate it back into reality 1:1 they becomes an uncanny abomination that makes no sense of existing . Trans people are trying to give material reality to something that can only exist on the intangible , that gap is never going to be bridged. The more they roleplays on VR chat or on weird discords with cartoon avatars the more they edge away from the shore . Is like addicts in that way, there really is no end goal, they'll keep chasing ever diminishing highs of "euphoria" until they drift too far away and beyond rescue.

 

[Sam Hyde Simp]

Seeing my sister trying to LARP as a doughly manlet makes me want to snicker whenever I see it. I'm past pity at this point.

I get it you, but don't give-up! She needs you, even to hear:
"I love you, but what you're doing is unhealthy"

Thankfully, I haven't had to go through this yet with my family/kids,

but it's become so "accepted", that so many kids just do it for the attention; because they're so desperate for real love and not this:

"accept everyone as long as they aren't a pedophile/ethnic supremacist" /rhetoric.

Keep trying!

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

It's so weird.. I know so many Discord users who fly across the US or even across the ocean just to meet someone they talked to online and e-sex'd, and they think it's a real relationship and it's gonna cure all their sadness. It never goes well. Just recently I know someone who paid for his boyfriend to fly over to meet him; they lasted a whole week and then began to hate each other. Idk what it is with gay guys having bad experiences with long distance relationships, but I imagine it's even worse with trannies.

They loose their own self so much in layers of fantasy and escapism that all that subconscious stuff melts together and manifest as a mutant.

♂DEEP DARK FANTASIES♂ are one hell of a drug.
I was discussing the BONDAGE M@STER (Van Darkholme) with a friend and he brought up a good point. He noted that people like Van turned pornography (or in this discussion, transgenderism) to fulfill a great void in their life, whatever it may be.

I think these people are too insulated from struggle, but not insulated enough to realize they have nothing to accomplish. Thus, they impose capricious and arbitrary boundaries on themselves for want of a purpose and achievement. Think a cartographer trying to discover something in a world already mapped, so they burn the map and walk into the wilderness in a fit of delusion to map the great unknown. They resist anyone who looks at them outside of their narrow reality because it absolutely shatters their worldview.

Relevant quote from Van below:

And, I've never thought about um, you know, I never intellectualized about my career, you know, what I do as a dungeon master. I don't, I don't even think about it. Uh, until now, you know, this interview kind of make me think about it, and, you know, I had to answer some questions and, um, I don't know, I feel kind of um, naked. Because I'm looking at myself for the first time, I think. Well, not myself, but this aspect of my life for the first time. And uh, it's been, gosh, three to five years already. I never thought about it. Um. Kind of sad, I think, I feel kind of sad right now. I don't know why. Um, huh. (Pause) You know, it's interesting to think, you know, like questions like um, why I want to be a dungeon master.

Seeing my sister trying to LARP as a doughly manlet makes me want to snicker whenever I see it. I'm past pity at this point.

Just treat her like a man, and beat the living shit out of her because she looked at you wrong or any thing that a woman wouldn't get punched over or what a man would.

As an autistic woman, I am insulted and disgusted.

There are no women on the internet. From the experience of dealing with these retards as EMS, I think he views female autists (and probably you) as nothing more than a fetishistic sex object. I'd stay away from him if I were you, but I'm not a woman. I knew of a case where a trany like him tried to assault one of the female medics ("First responders aren't people") and he absolutely got clowned on by the firefighters.

Personally I'd toss him to someone like Fleece Johnson since people like him choose the hard way anyways and Fleece probably got it for him hard with those monkeypox sores.

Spoiler: Bonus ♂wrestling♂ video

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

One of my male cousins fell prey to discord. Tried to warn his mother years ago, she’s single sadly, only made her cry.

Discord is dangerous for your son! There are lots of predators.




...What a "great" mother. Crying like a baby instead of helping her son.

 

[NoReturn]

Is like they create a tulpa that takes over them. They loose their own self so much in layers of fantasy and escapism that all that subconscious stuff melts together and manifest as a mutant.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Tulpamancy is self-induced psychosis.
It's no surprise to me in the slightest that the same type of people who were creating My Little Pony tulpas ended up trooning out.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Tulpamancy is self-induced psychosis.
It's no surprise to me in the slightest that the same type of people who were creating My Little Pony tulpas ended up trooning out.

Inducing psycosis otherwise known by troons as "cracking an egg"

 

[Miniluv]

This is kind of weird to talk about, as I'm not sure if I'm jumping to the wrong conclusion or what. Advice/insight/constructive commentary would be appreciated.

I have a friend I've known longer than some of you have been alive. I'm starting to suspect he might want to troon out but I'm not sure if it's that or if he's just having some kind of mid-life crisis or something else.

I hadn't seen this guy in over a decade. I got to see him a few months ago and as we were catching up he made some weird comments about how he was "like a woman" and not "feeling like a man". I wrote this off as him being stressed out and depressed because his business had hit a rough patch. He'd just gotten out of some severe financial issues and his more successful longtime girlfriend had to pick up the slack (she bought them both new vehicles as well as made a down payment on a house). He's also said his dick didn't work and he hadn't slept with his girl in a long time. I also want to say he bears a striking resemblance to the coomer meme at this point. Again, this could all be stress related.

We've kept in touch since I saw him, both through texts and Discord. The Discord thing was his idea; I hadn't logged in to my account in years and he apparently was always on there. So I humored him and dusted off the account to shoot the shit. It's become apparent that Discord is undeniably his preferred method of communicating.

Over the last few months, he's kept on making these weird comments about not feeling like a man. I've also seen that his Discord and Twitch pfps are anime girls. His girlfriend told me that he spends most of his non-work time playing VR games in their extra room. He's also said that he uses VR for hentai stuff and referred to their bedroom as "the room where I never sleep with my girlfriend" (even though she's hot af and has a killer rack, but I digress).

I wasn't too seriously concerned about the troon thing until the other day when I made an oblique reference to a "Discord-hentai-troon pipeline" and he asked me what I meant by that. I ended up talking about the Keffals saga and how a lot of the troons involved were into hentai and pretty much lived on Discord servers. He kept asking me if there was "proof" of this connection and if there were any "rabbit hole videos" I could point him to. He seemed really interested in the idea that Discord was being used as a grooming tool to hatch eggs.

I know this may all be meaningless but it's something I wouldn't expect from an ostensibly heterosexual man with a live-in sex partner and isn't a NEET. Am I right to be concerned?

 

[Baraadmirer]

@Miniluv : I'd be careful sharing anything more about troonery with your friend right now. As you're telling it it seems that his sexual tastes have gotten more deviant. Sex with his girlfriend probably isn't as satisfying as watching cartoon girls getting railed by tentacles and doomcocks. The euphoria he'd get from all the affirmation and hentai sharing on the Discord servers in question could be what pushes him over the edge into becoming an AGP.

Could your friend's claim of not "feeling like a man" be tied to his inadequacy in providing for the household? You say that you've known this person longer than some of us have been alive, so it's possible that he's entrenched in older values in what men should be: successful and an able provider, something that he hasn't been able to do because of his business failing. This is me soapboxing from my armchair and my non-existent psychology degree, but it might do your friend some good to be needed. I don't know what your friend is better at than you or his girlfriend, but playing to those strengths might distract him from falling into the troon cesspit and feel "more like a man".

 

[Ser Prize]

This is kind of weird to talk about, as I'm not sure if I'm jumping to the wrong conclusion or what. Advice/insight/constructive commentary would be appreciated.

I have a friend I've known longer than some of you have been alive. I'm starting to suspect he might want to troon out but I'm not sure if it's that or if he's just having some kind of mid-life crisis or something else.

I hadn't seen this guy in over a decade. I got to see him a few months ago and as we were catching up he made some weird comments about how he was "like a woman" and not "feeling like a man". I wrote this off as him being stressed out and depressed because his business had hit a rough patch. He'd just gotten out of some severe financial issues and his more successful longtime girlfriend had to pick up the slack (she bought them both new vehicles as well as made a down payment on a house). He's also said his dick didn't work and he hadn't slept with his girl in a long time. I also want to say he bears a striking resemblance to the coomer meme at this point. Again, this could all be stress related.

We've kept in touch since I saw him, both through texts and Discord. The Discord thing was his idea; I hadn't logged in to my account in years and he apparently was always on there. So I humored him and dusted off the account to shoot the shit. It's become apparent that Discord is undeniably his preferred method of communicating.

Over the last few months, he's kept on making these weird comments about not feeling like a man. I've also seen that his Discord and Twitch pfps are anime girls. His girlfriend told me that he spends most of his non-work time playing VR games in their extra room. He's also said that he uses VR for hentai stuff and referred to their bedroom as "the room where I never sleep with my girlfriend" (even though she's hot af and has a killer rack, but I digress).

I wasn't too seriously concerned about the troon thing until the other day when I made an oblique reference to a "Discord-hentai-troon pipeline" and he asked me what I meant by that. I ended up talking about the Keffals saga and how a lot of the troons involved were into hentai and pretty much lived on Discord servers. He kept asking me if there was "proof" of this connection and if there were any "rabbit hole videos" I could point him to. He seemed really interested in the idea that Discord was being used as a grooming tool to hatch eggs.

I know this may all be meaningless but it's something I wouldn't expect from an ostensibly heterosexual man with a live-in sex partner and isn't a NEET. Am I right to be concerned?

Sorry man, smells like troonery to me.

 

[Miniluv]

As you're telling it it seems that his sexual tastes have gotten more deviant. Sex with his girlfriend probably isn't as satisfying as watching cartoon girls getting railed by tentacles and doomcocks. The euphoria he'd get from all the affirmation and hentai sharing on the Discord servers in question could be what pushes him over the edge into becoming an AGP.

He's always been kind of a pussy hound and has also engaged in some sexual behavior in the past that I find repugnant, so I don't doubt that he's become bored with the more vanilla sexual aspects of long term life with a somewhat normie woman.

Could your friend's claim of not "feeling like a man" be tied to his inadequacy in providing for the household? You say that you've known this person longer than some of us have been alive, so it's possible that he's entrenched in older values in what men should be: successful and an able provider, something that he hasn't been able to do because of his business failing

That was my initial suspicion. He's been under a lot of stress and even said he'd been taking hair loss prevention he'd ordered online because he noticed his hair thinning and felt his financial/business situation was at fault. I'd even thought that the stress plus whatever was in the hair stuff might be the reason for his dick problems.

While I get what you're saying about him being entrenched in older values, I'm not sure if I agree with it to that extent.
He was, shall we say, "work-shy" on more than one extended occasion in the past, and it contributed heavily to the dissolution of his previous marriage. Back then he really seemed to like being a house husband and taking care of a kid while his wife worked. To his credit, he's a pretty good dad and can clean the fuck out of a house.

I don't know what your friend is better at than you or his girlfriend, but playing to those strengths might distract him from falling into the troon cesspit and feel "more like a man".

To be perfectly frank, I'm also not sure what he's better at than me. We work in different fields and it's hard to tell him how good he is at his job when his business was just on the brink of collapse. He did mention that he'd racked up a ridiculous 28,000+ hours in an MMO over the last few years. I thought he was exaggerating but he showed me his Steam account and it's true. I sort of berated him about it and told him he could have mastered quite literally anything in the world in that amount of time. He acknowledged this and seemed to understand that it was pathetic. He even said that when he and his girlfriend and their kid went to Disney World, he bought a new laptop so he could play the game in their hotel room. If that's a skill, it's not one I want to encourage or play up to.

That reminds me, his girlfriend often goes on vacation with their kid and he doesn't join them. He has no social media presence and she does, so I see the photos she posts. He also doesn't want her to post any photo with him in it unless it's a family thing taken at Christmas or something. I'm not sure if that has any relation to him not liking his appearance as a man. She seems concerned about his situation and intimated to me that since I moved away he has no real friends and doesn't hang out with anyone outside of work.

It was somewhat difficult to get him to hang out outside of his house back in the day unless there was a chance of him getting baked or getting laid from it. It seems that he's even more isolated now and that his girlfriend is going to continue living as best she can, even if it means just leaving him in that pathetic VR man cave of his. It's just a fucking mess and I'm trying to think of a way to get him out of it.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

This compounding with the realization that many waifufags troon out in an attempt to emulate that which they cannot obtain makes me think that they've taken this strange form of escapism so far that their "alter ego" has taken over completely - or at least they've tried to supplant their existing personality with some other fabricated one.

This makes me wonder if all the isekai obsssed otaku herbivores in japan would be troons in the west and vice versa.

 

[Corn Flakes]

That was my initial suspicion. He's been under a lot of stress and even said he'd been taking hair loss prevention he'd ordered online because he noticed his hair thinning and felt his financial/business situation was at fault. I'd even thought that the stress plus whatever was in the hair stuff might be the reason for his dick problems.

Hair-loss treatments usually go about it by suppressing testosterone, which can result in a bunch of side effects including lower libido and impotence. It's 100% that.

 

[Miniluv]

Hair-loss treatments usually go about it by suppressing testosterone, which can result in a bunch of side effects including lower libido and impotence. It's 100% that.

Right, and my concern is that this suppression of testosterone coupled with his weird VR/hentai habit and Discord shenanigans are making him susceptible to a social contagion which may or may not end up with him in a skirt. If he were in his teens or early 20s, I'd have had an intervention already.

 

[nonespecified]

My daughter had massive breakdowns and screaming fits at us over her supposed transness. I refused to buy her a binder, wouldn't let her get that half-shaved tranny haircut, and I wouldnt pay for "gender affirmation therapy" sessions. it was 100% obvious she was suffering from crushign self esteem and rejection. She met a nice boy two years ago and stopped the hair cut/dye routine,s tarted dressing girly, and seems pretty happy now and hasn't mentioned "trans" for a long long time. She also talks about having kids and staying home and taking care of them and the house and all that.

Maybe this guy's just her "beard" as it were, but I'm hopeful...

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I sat in on a conversation between two of my friends today discussing whether Jesus was gay or a transwoman. It's the second or third time I've heard this argument and I still don't think it holds any water. I'm tired and don't want to play.

Meanwhile, I'm dragging my trans friend to psych appointments hoping to unravel the mess in his head before he offs himself. His transition is going so great!

 

[Smunchy]

I worked with a woman whose son was clearly gay but she refused to accept it. He was a nice kid but also extremely dull and gullible. Every time he would tell people he's gay she'd scold him and say "never call yourself that!" I talked to her a few times about it to try and understand what her issue was. I assumed it was just that he'd never give her grandkids but nope, she just thought gays were against god. She even discussed trying to get him help since he's just a confused teenager.

A few years later he disappeared for a while. Suddenly reappears wearing a dress with long hair. He's a girl now. His mother tells me about the hormones, therapy and potential surgery. I always knew he wanted kids one day so I asked her how he took the fact that he'd never have kids. She said she hadn't told him yet.

We also got a new gay employee a few months later. She went right up to him and asked if he's ever thought he was really a woman. He looked at her like she was stupid.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Meanwhile, I'm dragging my trans friend to psych appointments hoping to unravel the mess in his head before he offs himself. His transition is going so great!

At one point you just have to give up and realise that nothing can be done to fix an individual who refuses help. May he find Jesus in his life.