Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Wallace]

I'm so sorry. I think that is an accurate assessment though. It's a tragedy that we haven't yet found a way to help people like your brother. But with his history of issues it is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to drag him back from troonism.

Try to find someone who deals in cult deprogramming.

 

[Apis mellifera]

It's really scary how your story is almost the same as mine (I might write up about my own expierence, but because the whole story is bit of dumpster fire it will take a while to narrow it down)

It's fascinating how many different stories about friends and loved ones trooning out are the same, or similar. It's almost like, for each situation, there's a rudimentary formula the troon follows. It also helps us widows or friends of troons to detect these patterns and try to help before it's too late.

I was struck by this too, reading another's trans widow story. It's crazy to me, how similar stories are across the board, of "failure to launch" autistic men becoming trans, of the AGPs who are emotionally and sexually abusive and force a woman to be responsible for their happiness, of the groomed butches, tomboys, and twinks. In sharing our stories, we can at least have a larger data set and be able to draw better conclusions. From this, we can find a solution. In my field, they say that the biggest part of finding a solution is first defining the problem.

I'm so sorry. I think that is an accurate assessment though. It's a tragedy that we haven't yet found a way to help people like your brother. But with his history of issues it is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to drag him back from troonism.

He can do it just fine, ending an eating disorder, leaving a cult, learning self-love is all hard, sure, but if you have a will and a commitment to finding a solution, you can fix just about anything. A wise man once said: "If there's a will, there's a way", by saying it's impossible, you're only serving to infantilise a grownass adult man.

 

[Raging Capybara]

Final update on my "friend". He's trying to starve himself so he can lose weight to be the skinny femboy he's obsessed with, and to make matters even worse he admitted to having a crush on an 11 year old when he was 16 and how he's been waiting for years for her to become legal. He sperged about how jealous he was of her having a boyfriend in high school or some shit. Safe to say we don't talk to him anymore, i have the conversation recorded and might sent it to his family if shit ever hits the fan.

Send it to the cops, man.

 

[Quartermaster]

You may not be able to "save" him from becoming gay at that stage. So its either let him become a transgender or just gay.

I just now realized someone replied here, sorry.

I suppose there is no un-gaying him, people like what they like and like I said I don't really care what kind of sexuality he has in the first place.
It's none of my business.

I just worry as i've seen it as a characteristic of trans people to be constantly talking about sex, porn and jerking off, as though that is all the content and purpose of their life.
And to see him exhibit this fixation on pornography just fuels my belief that he wishes to transition without knowing the full ramification of it.

He is also the sole underage member of our group yet he is the one who talks about this shit the most to the point where I told him, on several occasions, to shut the fuck up about his coomer shit.

Maybe some pants wrestling might help him (Gachimuchi). Because you don't have to be a faggot to be gay. Case in point below, a gay and a bisexual man fighting for title of boss of this gym.

I know two people IRL that actually got into lifting/exercising from that and I know it pulled one dude from necking himself.
It gives many people in China strength to meme on the government so that's also a plus too.

Aniki lives in death, but Kazuya will lead us to better times. Good luck and remember that

I have never seen him in person but I too always encourage my friends to be physically active.
Being cooped up in a house and never seeing any sunlight makes people depressive.

It might come off and is dismissed as boomer talk but going outside and being physically active will improve your life, not to mention extend it.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

The FTM that recently had top surgery is now claiming that she has post op exhaustion and is 80% bedbound. I can't tell if she's having complications or is becoming a munchie (in a way projecting herself to be like the chronically ill mom she takes care of).

Oh yeah, she also mentioned KiwiFarms on her Facebook when the whole Cloudflare shit hit the fan and how she was so scared she'd be getting a thread herself. Also that Pedo Groomer is a hero for stopping us. She truly thinks that any criticism of transgenderism is genocide and that just about everyone that doesn't suck her T dick wants to kill her for being trans. Her immense paranoia is quite sad. She seems to really be losing it.

 

[Dalmatian Enthusiast]

I'm so sorry. I think that is an accurate assessment though. It's a tragedy that we haven't yet found a way to help people like your brother. But with his history of issues it is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to drag him back from troonism.

Yeah, it was a hard pill to swallow - his major defect isn't necessarily that he fell for the memes or is a weirdo, rather it's his pride. You can't tell him anything, he gets aggressive and defensive when you approach him on any topic - he's real book smart, could've worked on "nuclear submarines" for the military had he applied himself - but those book smarts are hindered by his susceptibility to peer pressure. I've come to terms with it, and besides - he's all the way across the country anyways. He just isn't our problem anymore, and he chose this - not us.

He can do it just fine, ending an eating disorder, leaving a cult, learning self-love is all hard, sure, but if you have a will and a commitment to finding a solution, you can fix just about anything. A wise man once said: "If there's a will, there's a way", by saying it's impossible, you're only serving to infantilise a grownass adult man.

I maintain - there is no will for improvement within him, at least none that I've seen. He's dropped out of college thrice, lives on discord, and was shameless about his NEEThood for the years he lived in it. He is simply too bull-headed to himself as being wrong ever. He thinks he's infallible - that's why I've given up hope for him.

 

[Real Centaur]

Anorexia is exactly the thing I always compare it to. You don't humor the anorexic to make them feel better. You tell them the reality and hope they listen.

I agree with the anorexia comparison, but it's far more complicated than that. (I have had plenty of people in my life suffer from EDs, addictions and Cluster B personality disorders.) If you just give it to them straight, they might well cut you out of their life. Even if they care about you, the addiction/disorder wins. They can't be around honest people and continue their problem behaviors, and it's you who goes - and then they're alone, and there's a still smaller chance of them ever getting out of it. It's genuinely difficult to figure out the right things to say or do that will help someone struggling with something like that.

 

[Real Ariana Grande]

The first girl I ever dated (early high school, not a serious relationship at all) trooned out after college. I moved away for school and when I came back, everyone in that friend group had trooned out. And now they're all poly and furries, too.

Glad I escaped that fate, at least.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I just now realized someone replied here, sorry.

I suppose there is no un-gaying him, people like what they like and like I said I don't really care what kind of sexuality he has in the first place.
It's none of my business.

I just worry as i've seen it as a characteristic of trans people to be constantly talking about sex, porn and jerking off, as though that is all the content and purpose of their life.
And to see him exhibit this fixation on pornography just fuels my belief that he wishes to transition without knowing the full ramification of it.

He is also the sole underage member of our group yet he is the one who talks about this shit the most to the point where I told him, on several occasions, to shut the fuck up about his coomer shit.


I have never seen him in person but I too always encourage my friends to be physically active.
Being cooped up in a house and never seeing any sunlight makes people depressive.

It might come off and is dismissed as boomer talk but going outside and being physically active will improve your life, not to mention extend it.

Porn is one hell of a drug, and the proper method is to probably beat it out of him (protip: Not legal, don't do it).

 

[F13 Key]

A long time ago I knew a guy who was a True and Honest Christian Straight Male who had a decent number of trans friends, but he was really skeptical about the rapid spread of transgenderism. Suddenly, out of nowhere, he trooned out and claimed to be a lesbian, got surgery and all. 2 years later, dead. Suicide.

It was pretty depressing to watch the whole thing happen. And there was no note, so it left everyone in his life with no answers or closure. It seemed to me as though he had some severe unaddressed mental health issues and loneliness underneath the surface, and chose to dive headfirst into transitioning, ostensibly to address those issues, but possibly to get closer to women who were closed to him as a man. Either he found out it wasn't the answer and realized he'd permanently altered and sterilized his body, or the people he got close to were really fucked up and made his issues worse. Or both.

 

[God's drunkest driver]

I suppose it's no big surprise that there are so many affected by the tranny menace on the farms. I think that if you're anything short of completely entrapped within [current year] mentality you would have a problem with someone close to you going down a path of obvious mental illness being enabled on a large scale, and we're net dwellers so many of us have seen the worst of what happens. I feel for you lot because I've been through it too.

She's still alive but I feel like I lost my sister to the tranny menace. It has hardened my heart to the genderfags and I despise them because of it. They took my sister and I pray that they go to hell for it. I still don't understand why but I understand how; involvement with alphabet groups in high school, she was groomed into it by peers and teachers. This was in the late 2000s - early 201Xs as well, so I guess she was on the bleeding edge of modern gender nonsense. The story follows for anyone interested, seems similar to some of your stories.

My sister was always a bit histrionic and for some reason she hated my high school girlfriends but I thought of her as a normal girl and we got along well enough until around the time she entered high school, a year after I left for college, the same year my parents divorced. She became a bit of a hypochondriac in high school and definitely was suffering from special snowflake syndrome. We were lower class, and I can only assume she felt humdrum and uninteresting among all of her snowflake friends in her AP classes, so she started inventing stupid mental things that I knew weren't true to seem special, like being tone deaf, anosmic and faceblind. I was in college and got an apartment on my own so I wasn't around, but every time I saw her she was getting fatter and dressing more strangely. She ballooned up and started to dress and do her makeup and hair in a way that made me think she was deliberately trying to be as unattractive as possible. I was puzzled. She started to give my mother, a soft-hearted liberal but a hard worker, all kinds of SJW flak over bullshit. I talked to her because she was upsetting my mother but I knew already that damage had been done that I as a brother could not undo in her years of high school, I thought she had just gone butch militant lesbian. In college, she kept getting more involved in various alphabet groups and started talking about the gender spectrum to my mother, poisoning her mind. I still thought my sister was just an ugly butch lesbian. I rarely saw her and we had nothing in common aside from blood anymore so we didn't talk much. After she graduated college I met her "boyfriend" while visiting family and was thoroughly confused, I had never known her to be in any relationships, and he was a lispy soyboy, she a fat butch lesbian. I didn't get it. I was far too busy working and going through relationships to know what was going on with the alphabet squad. It wasn't until a year or so after she moved to CA that I figured it out. I was sending her Christmas and birthday cards, texted her occasionally, then one time while I was visiting family I could hear my mother was facetiming some effeminate sounding dude with awfully familiar sounding mannerisms. I couldn't see the screen. It took a full minute to sink in that it was my sister, on hormones, she had decided that being a fat butch wasn't enough, she had to become a fat effeminate manlet. Turns out her boyfriend is a flamer who was dating her as a trans man. It has been a few years since then and I don't even want to know if she has done surgery or anything, though I hope she hasn't. The grim statistics and knowledge I've gained being an dark-side-of-the internet dweller for the past 18 years have filled me with dread, because I know what will happen if she gets her body butchered. It won't make her feel any better long term, and I'll wind up going to a funeral for a trans-man I don't even know, my sister long gone.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

A long time ago I knew a guy who was a True and Honest Christian Straight Male who had a decent number of trans friends, but he was really skeptical about the rapid spread of transgenderism. Suddenly, out of nowhere, he trooned out and claimed to be a lesbian, got surgery and all. 2 years later, dead. Suicide.

It was pretty depressing to watch the whole thing happen. And there was no note, so it left everyone in his life with no answers or closure. It seemed to me as though he had some severe unaddressed mental health issues and loneliness underneath the surface, and chose to dive headfirst into transitioning, ostensibly to address those issues, but possibly to get closer to women who were closed to him as a man. Either he found out it wasn't the answer and realized he'd permanently altered and sterilized his body, or the people he got close to were really fucked up and made his issues worse. Or both.

I think sometimes people with depressive tendencies get fascinated by something they know damn well is destructive just because of that bug in the ear always telling them they should die.

 

[9Style]

Anorexia is exactly the thing I always compare it to. You don't humor the anorexic to make them feel better. You tell them the reality and hope they listen.

Anorexia treatment is profitable though. I once visited someone in a high class psych hospital. There is an entire wing simply for eating disorders. I would theorize enabling transgenderism is as profitable, or perhaps even moreso than treating eating disorders.

You have trans clinics, trans hospital units, trans helplines, gender clinicians, drug therapy, surgical procedures. Thats outside the unofficial channels and groomers online.

Now think, how much money is there in telling a person they are the sex they were born with? Maybe some antidepressants and therapy at the most? Pffft, chump change.

History repeats.

 

[HONKHONKTIME69]

i had a friend. His name was Jason. Trooned out and is now called "Alyse" (alice) He became sooooo anti-social when he trooned out. thinks the entire world is against him. he moved up to seattle and last i heard he lives alone with no friends and is a janitor at a kids museum. a bitter and literal janny tranny. it was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I hate what hes become. Ive tried so many times to reach out to him but after a while he stoped responding to texts. I still think about him from time to time. it feels like hes dead. fucking sucks.

 

[Dalmatian Enthusiast]

He became sooooo anti-social when he trooned out. thinks the entire world is against him. he moved up to seattle and last i heard he lives alone with no friends and is a janitor at a kids museum.

I'm seeing a commonality in a lot of trannies in that they troon out and then move off to the big city and stop responding to texts and DMs and what not. This compounding with the realization that many waifufags troon out in an attempt to emulate that which they cannot obtain makes me think that they've taken this strange form of escapism so far that their "alter ego" has taken over completely - or at least they've tried to supplant their existing personality with some other fabricated one. My mother confided in me that she felt like her son - my brother - had been lost, had died or something similar, and that she couldn't shake the feeling even though he was living with her for a year prior to moving to Portland. I wonder if he wasn't trying to actively "kill" his pre-established self - the man he used to be - by moving off to a place that no one knew him, changing everything he could about himself, ignoring everyone who remembered him back home even when the going got tough, and I'm starting to wonder if other troons don't do the same thing.

 

[HONKHONKTIME69]

I'm seeing a commonality in a lot of trannies in that they troon out and then move off to the big city and stop responding to texts and DMs and what not. This compounding with the realization that many waifufags troon out in an attempt to emulate that which they cannot obtain makes me think that they've taken this strange form of escapism so far that their "alter ego" has taken over completely - or at least they've tried to supplant their existing personality with some other fabricated one. My mother confided in me that she felt like her son - my brother - had been lost, had died or something similar, and that she couldn't shake the feeling even though he was living with her for a year prior to moving to Portland. I wonder if he wasn't trying to actively "kill" his pre-established self - the man he used to be - by moving off to a place that no one knew him, changing everything he could about himself, ignoring everyone who remembered him back home even when the going got tough, and I'm starting to wonder if other troons don't do the same thing.

whatever it is, if the symptom is pathological alienation, then its fuckin gnarly
it was your brother? fuck man. that sucks

 

[Dalmatian Enthusiast]

it was your brother? fuck man. that sucks

Yeah, still is my brother for the time being but I've accepted that he'll probably be hopping off the ride soon. He's in Portland right now (all of his family, myself included, lives in the South) - he signed a lease with another tranny that he had never met IRL prior to a few months ago. Now that tranny has gotten cold feet on the entire arrangement, he's seeing smoke from the forest fires daily, and with Winter coming up I expect the seasonal depression's gonna hit him bad. I am blackpilled to the core, I do not see this ending well. Best case scenario is that he comes back home and maybe we talk some sense into him - but pride is his greatest vice.

 

[Baraadmirer]

And there was no note, so it left everyone in his life with no answers or closure.

This really resonated with me because that's what happened with the one trans friend I had who offed herself. It really fucks with you; all that I know is that it happened in the middle of a major depressive episode. Even though I know that there was nothing I could have done, it still made me think if there was something small I could have done, like a text or a phone call.

 

[Kit Marz]

One of my childhood best friends now identifies as non-binary and her husband now says he's a woman. Growing up she and I were always together and we both had huge crushes on each other. Then we went to different schools and I saw her less and less as a result she met a boy that would later become her husband. From the getgo I always had weird feelings about him and I always knew them to be in arguments with each other. Her parents, who to this day I'm still close to and even go to the same church congregation with, did not like this boy and thought he was a ungrateful and selfish. After seeing her posts online I wonder what would have happened if I went to the same school or if we stayed together while teenagers. While we most likely would not have gotten married I'm sure she wouldn't have dated her now husband. Without him would she never gone down this path? It really breaks my heart.

 

[Piss Bear]

The FTM that recently had top surgery is now claiming that she has post op exhaustion and is 80% bedbound. I can't tell if she's having complications or is becoming a munchie (in a way projecting herself to be like the chronically ill mom she takes care of).

If you read the SRS and Surgeons thread you will learn that these people who modify their bodies in this extreme way do tend to become permanent medical patients. Lopping off your tits cannot be painless and the butchers don't give a shit about their patient's health most of the time, so I'm sure she got botched. It wouldn't surprise me if she is bedbound from the pain.

A long time ago I knew a guy who was a True and Honest Christian Straight Male who had a decent number of trans friends, but he was really skeptical about the rapid spread of transgenderism. Suddenly, out of nowhere, he trooned out and claimed to be a lesbian, got surgery and all. 2 years later, dead. Suicide.

It was pretty depressing to watch the whole thing happen. And there was no note, so it left everyone in his life with no answers or closure. It seemed to me as though he had some severe unaddressed mental health issues and loneliness underneath the surface, and chose to dive headfirst into transitioning, ostensibly to address those issues, but possibly to get closer to women who were closed to him as a man. Either he found out it wasn't the answer and realized he'd permanently altered and sterilized his body, or the people he got close to were really fucked up and made his issues worse. Or both.

I imagine a lot of these people troon out as a "last resort" in their life, because they feel as though they have nothing to lose. They were probably set on suicide to begin with, wanted to see if transitioning made their depression any better, and if it didn't they would an hero. I'm depressed myself and I unfortunately do understand this thought process, although I would never troon out.

Yeah, still is my brother for the time being but I've accepted that he'll probably be hopping off the ride soon. He's in Portland right now (all of his family, myself included, lives in the South) - he signed a lease with another tranny that he had never met IRL prior to a few months ago. Now that tranny has gotten cold feet on the entire arrangement, he's seeing smoke from the forest fires daily, and with Winter coming up I expect the seasonal depression's gonna hit him bad. I am blackpilled to the core, I do not see this ending well. Best case scenario is that he comes back home and maybe we talk some sense into him - but pride is his greatest vice.

It's so weird.. I know so many Discord users who fly across the US or even across the ocean just to meet someone they talked to online and e-sex'd, and they think it's a real relationship and it's gonna cure all their sadness. It never goes well. Just recently I know someone who paid for his boyfriend to fly over to meet him; they lasted a whole week and then began to hate each other. Idk what it is with gay guys having bad experiences with long distance relationships, but I imagine it's even worse with trannies.