Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Kung Pow Cream]

Another update on my friend. We were talking about the Texas ban and I told him that I kinda agreed about the puberty blockers because of how bad they wrecked your bones. He simply said "I'd much rather have shitty bones than a repressed mental illness."

I described to him how it's not just shitty bones. How you can end up in a wheelchair. How a cough or sneeze can hurt you. How Bending over can hurt you. How wheelchair life is quite terrible and how it can never be fixed.

D, that bitch, stepped in and stopped the conversation and deleted it. How silly of these discord things. It's like they hate having a mirror shown to their faces that shows the end result of their actions. All the time online, they delete, they block, they hide.

I'm the server owner and I technically could fight over this small thing but is it worth dividing a community and potentially driving me out? No. Will it save my friend? No. Are they probably talking about me in some silly dm? Will my friend eventually die from suicide or a heart complication due to the estrogen affecting his heart if things continue? Yes. Can I stop it? Maybe. But I have to be around in order to save my friend. But even then I see myself slipping further and further away from him and it worries me. It's quite silly of myself to be so worked up over an internet friend but I've known them for nearly a decade so unfortunately I've grown to care for him.

The funny thing is that I don't even call myself a terf. I simply understand that being transgender is a mental condition and the treatments we are giving out aren't making them happy. Their overall wellness never improves for long. It's in short bursts and then it goes back to normal. And people think I'm insane for seeing their lives and going "Wow, their lives aren't happy." I have never met a single troon that was okay and had a fulfilling life and good friends and family they can count on.

In my life, I've seen:

• an insane ftm that abused people
• an anorexic mtf that immediately went to sex work (most likely due to sexual abuse)
• an autistic mtf that basically has transgenderism as a hyperfixation and won't stop talking about it or vaginas
• an mtf that severely lacks true love in their life
• another mtf that has severe functioning issues due to their mental illness
• And D, the manipulative person that I mentioned here today that would probably start a cult if they had the power

None of them have good lives. They're all suffering in different ways.

Another slight update. It's very strange seeing a person slowly change. We used to often complain about stuff together. Brain nonsense, life stuff, and such. It was nice because we both understood how hellish life could be. Then for some reason, when I complained he would just change the subject. I pointed it out to him and he explained why he was doing it but even now I see it occur. I'll say something and he'll try to switch it up.

It's also very strange because he's gotten more consoomer? I'm not sure how to explain it. Perhaps I've just noticed it as I've started to age and develop and I see them say things that confuse me. I'm not saying I'm poor, I grew up quite wealthy however, I know how to live within my means and I'm just weirdly very frugal. They talk about buying fancy things for no reason and such. I recently had to talk them out of getting a new car when they're just about to pay off their car loan. And when I pointed out how odd his thinking was, he was confused.

It's also very strange because he says he's a socialist but then he acts so rich sometimes that he actually forgets how poor people actually live. I actually have to remind him how poor people live because he just won't get it. There was this one time he said cheap watch is bad and you should only get an expensive watch and I actually had to explain that cheap watches are fine. I once had a friend say the place is filled with champagne socialists and I agree. There's some normal people there and it's always nice to talk about normal things. It's just strange seeing this person you know slowly float away due to Twitter consumption and grooming.

I'm most likely going to drift away from that discord group in a few years. It's funny because there's many troons in that group that are now freaking out at the laws being made and they're feeling the walls closing in on them and I just want to shake them all and say "This isn't making you happy. This will never make you happy. Nothing you do to your body will never make you happy." They've been told a lie and I can't say anything or I'll get kicked out of the group.

Even D said they're depressed and he likes to pretend that he has a wonderful life. His life is depressing. He worked in a dead end job that fired him for being trans. Now he's going back to college and he's living off of uber bucks. I know that's not enough and I bet he's having to do some crazy shit to stay afloat,

 

[Carnivorous Plant]

What hobbies? Did you go to Tabel top or Card Game meetings? Because 3 is too much.

Whatever it is, if it keeps happening maybe you need to start bringing in someone to pretend to be your date or focus more on yourself than these tards (because a large man in a skirt shouldn't make you feel mocked - he should be the one feeling like a joke by going to these extremes). How do other people in these groups react to them? Are you getting support?

Video game meet ups and things along those lines. As I'm sure everyone on this site is very much aware, there are a disproportionate amount of troons in gaming. Any sort of pushback over this behavior would've resulted in the dissenter being ousted. If anything, my peers were practically tripping over themselves to affirm these people as "valid". I grinned and beared it as best I could but at the end of the day having to play make believe with the people actively sexually harassing me completely soured the hobby. And I don't mourn its loss.

A friend of mine had brought up what you mentioned, but a petty part of me wanted these maladjusted men to stew in the fact that they were so repulsive that the object of their affection / obsession would rather remain single. One very pornsick individual was so confused by it all that he came to the conclusion that I must simply be asexual, haha.

Wait.. so they knew you were a lesbo and asked you out anyways? As if some autistic nerdy manchild "in the friendzone" would be the one to change your mind and realize the error of your scizzoring ways? L m f a o

Right? He's well over 300 pounds and six foot so I was almost disappointed when he quietly gave up the charade. I'm sure there are plenty of Goliaths in party city wigs out there though.

 

[blacksmith tony]

Just had to end a long term relationship cus boyfriend wanted to troon out. He admitted to me I was an experiment to see if he was cis or trans. And I disappointed him because of course he’s a porn addicted neet and I didn’t satisfy his idea of a 10/10 nympho. He wanted to be cucked and me blacked. Wanted to be dual slaves to a mistress.

Guys who troon it really do follow a set checklist of fetishes and personality traits.

 

[Ser Prize]

He wanted to be cucked and me blacked. Wanted to be dual slaves to a mistress.

Guys who troon it really do follow a set checklist of fetishes and personality traits.

You dodged a fucking bullet there, man. Did he roleplay as females? That's also a giveaway.

 

[DumbDude42]

He admitted to me I was an experiment to see if he was cis or trans. And I disappointed him because of course he’s a porn addicted neet and I didn’t satisfy his idea of a 10/10 nympho. He wanted to be cucked and me blacked. Wanted to be dual slaves to a mistress.

how the hell does one end up in a relationship with such a deranged lunatic
don't these types give off warning signs about their degeneracy in advance? like, i can't imagine someone unironically having tranny, nigger, cuck and femdom fetishes without being an obvious and easily identified turbocreep.

not meant to be offensive to you, genuinely curious if you didn't see it coming

 

[Kiislova]

Just had to end a long term relationship cus boyfriend wanted to troon out. He admitted to me I was an experiment to see if he was cis or trans. And I disappointed him because of course he’s a porn addicted neet and I didn’t satisfy his idea of a 10/10 nympho. He wanted to be cucked and me blacked. Wanted to be dual slaves to a mistress.

Guys who troon it really do follow a set checklist of fetishes and personality traits.

Pornsick
Cuckoldry
Submission / Domination

Does he/she/it have ABDL diapers yet?

 

[blacksmith tony]

You dodged a fucking bullet there, man. Did he roleplay as females? That's also a giveaway.

Yes he would steal my underwear.

how the hell does one end up in a relationship with such a deranged lunatic

He was a liar. A really good one. I don’t feel good about being duped but he played a good hand

Pornsick
Cuckoldry
Submission / Domination

Does he/she/it have ABDL diapers yet?

He’s into anal play but I think instead of abdl he’sa furry.

Holy shit it really makes me feel retarded. I just needed to get it out.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

I've had 4 guy friends troon out. Each and every time it happened within 6 months after they asked me out and got rejected. 3 of the 4 of them blatantly tried to skinwalk as me, and it has to be an ego thing, right? A "If you're not going to date me, then I'll just become a "better" version of you!!" kind of situation? I'm not anything remotely noteworthy as far as women go. I'm fairly certain this only happened so much because of the spaces I frequented. Far too many resentful, autistic men who were never socialized properly take up space in all kinds of hobbies.

The remaining one was.... interesting. He tried to ask me out again (loathe to PL but I'm not into men. He definitely thought he found a loophole) and when I rejected him again he eventually walked back on the trans thing completely. I checked his socials the other month and all he does is post pictures of lesbian ships from children's cartoons. "He/Him" still in his bio though, lol.

There are a few people who interact with me in such a way that I'm worried about this happening again. Each time feels more dehumanizing than the last.

I don't know what my reaction would be if I found out someone was skin walking me. I feel like it'd be similar to that one professor that got sent a bomb by the unabomber where he's just mostly confused why he was sent a bomb because he was just an average person and there were better people than him.

 

[Carnivorous Plant]

I don't know what my reaction would be if I found out someone was skin walking me. I feel like it'd be similar to that one professor that got sent a bomb by the unabomber where he's just mostly confused why he was sent a bomb because he was just an average person and there were better people than him.

It's like some kind of psychological horror flick. Watching a failed mockery of yourself try to emulate every last thing about you, even the things that used to keep you up at night from insecurity? It's horrifying and confusing above all else. I had the same thought process as the professor you mentioned, but I quickly realized that none of these people had much access to women and were probably just being opportunistic. If it wasn't me it definitely would've been the next woman polite enough to tolerate their presences.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

Just had to end a long term relationship cus boyfriend wanted to troon out. He admitted to me I was an experiment to see if he was cis or trans. And I disappointed him because of course he’s a porn addicted neet and I didn’t satisfy his idea of a 10/10 nympho. He wanted to be cucked and me blacked. Wanted to be dual slaves to a mistress.

Guys who troon it really do follow a set checklist of fetishes and personality traits.

I'm sorry he put you through that. What an asshole.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

Thanks for the reminders and advice :-)

Spoiler: rambling

I've been emailing my psychologist, talking with my parents and hanging out with friends and while it helps in the moment, sometimes I just flip out a little. I have been considering admitting myself, but I still live with my family (I promise I'm not a stinky basement dweller) and I don't want to scare them. You and everyone else here have been very kind and understanding, I hope you're doing well. I think I would be more fucked if this thread wasn't recommended to me. Just hearing other peoples experiences and knowing that I'm not the only one makes me feel better.

Don't feel you have to soldier on if your life is really bad -- there are lots of reasons to seek admission to a hospital that might not be EXTREME CRISIS reasons. A friend of mine lost a whole lot of weight and had to have their meds re-callibrated. Going from fat to skinny meant a month in hospital as a precaution. Another friend had her diagnosis re-done from depression to bipolar after YEARS but there was a lot of PTSD there too.

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On troonery, my old friend from 20 years ago occasionally emails to get in touch IRL, but I just don't feel comfortable seeing them again. Especially not in full female regalia. The only positive was that they trooned back in the late 2000s, when it was more dysphoria and less pornsick coomerism, but still...

 

[snake aids]

Don't feel you have to soldier on if your life is really bad -- there are lots of reasons to seek admission to a hospital that might not be EXTREME CRISIS reasons. A friend of mine lost a whole lot of weight and had to have their meds re-callibrated. Going from fat to skinny meant a month in hospital as a precaution. Another friend had her diagnosis re-done from depression to bipolar after YEARS but there was a lot of PTSD there too.

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On troonery, my old friend from 20 years ago occasionally emails to get in touch IRL, but I just don't feel comfortable seeing them again. Especially not in full female regalia. The only positive was that they trooned back in the late 2000s, when it was more dysphoria and less pornsick coomerism, but still...

Spoiler: sperging

My life isn't really bad, I've just been struggling with mental health since I was a small child (as in, 4 or 5 years old) and the troon shit made me freak out. I have anxiety and depression already diagnosed, I'm on meds, I have a psychologist, etc. I just don't see how hospital will help other than making it so I am fully unable to be a dumbass and hurt myself. My birthday is soon too and I don't really want to spend it in hospital but if I feel really bad I'll think about it. Thank you.

Yeah I totally get not feeling comfortable with seeing your friend IRL anymore, its a pretty normal reaction for people who aren't involved in the troonism stuff. Good to hear they're probably not a coomer though. But yeah, you not wanting to see them in person is a totally normal reaction, don't worry. It's uncomfortable and a bit off-putting especially when you knew the person beforehand.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

Apparently, she wants to have features from both sexes that are attractive, to be some sort of sexy androgynous... thing. I tried to gently explain to her that this would make her look like a freak that neither men nor women would find attractive, but she didn't listen.

lol someone's been doing too much erotic roleplaying.

actual androgyny can be attractive, but it requires work, so i'd rather imagine i've got a footlong and melons bigger than my head and spend thousands of dollars to frankenstein myself. anything but going to the gym or accepting that my body is what it is. which reminds me - all this shit about "self-acceptance," and yet the whole of the thing seems to be rooted in despising your own body and any self-care you could take towards its better realization, preferring instead to pump money into articles of clothing and invasive surgeries / hormones to 'realize the true self.' it's just the cosmetics-fashion industry with a macabre coat of paint.

if it keeps happening maybe you need to start bringing in someone to pretend to be your date

A friend of mine had brought up what you mentioned, but a petty part of me wanted these maladjusted men to stew in the fact that they were so repulsive that the object of their affection / obsession would rather remain single.

these types don't respond to beards anyways. Back in the day they might've, because nerds were by and large just clueless about social conventions and took a little longer to get up to speed - they would at least understand "she's not single = don't harass with that shit," for the most part.

Today's crew has its own, distinct subculture that seems to outright encourage antisocial, parasitic behavior: "she's not single = maybe she'll cheat on him with me/maybe she has repressed desires for someone as cool as me/maybe if I just use some social browbeating I'll get her to do what I want."

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

lol someone's been doing too much erotic roleplaying.

actual androgyny can be attractive, but it requires work, so i'd rather imagine i've got a footlong and melons bigger than my head and spend thousands of dollars to frankenstein myself. anything but going to the gym or accepting that my body is what it is. which reminds me - all this shit about "self-acceptance," and yet the whole of the thing seems to be rooted in despising your own body and any self-care you could take towards its better realization, preferring instead to pump money into articles of clothing and invasive surgeries / hormones to 'realize the true self.' it's just the cosmetics-fashion industry with a macabre coat of paint.


these types don't respond to beards anyways. Back in the day they might've, because nerds were by and large just clueless about social conventions and took a little longer to get up to speed - they would at least understand "she's not single = don't harass with that shit," for the most part.

Today's crew has its own, distinct subculture that seems to outright encourage antisocial, parasitic behavior: "she's not single = maybe she'll cheat on him with me/maybe she has repressed desires for someone as cool as me/maybe if I just use some social browbeating I'll get her to do what I want."

The trick that I've learned is to say "Do you know that no means no?".

Since most people don't want to be "that person" and a lot of media shows that you don't want to be "that person", they realize it'll hurt their image. They only care about themselves and thus pointing out that this is bad look for them, they'll usually stop. You kinda have to deal with people like that by making it a them problem and not just a you problem.

The really bad people will still continue, though. Don't really know how to deal with that.

 

[NerdShamer]

The really bad people will still continue, though. Don't really know how to deal with that.

Treat them the same way we treat Tommy Tooter. Sure, he hasn't reformed, yet; but that doesn't make it any less entertaining.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

Ugg. My MTF friend got accused of some stupid shit (which he probably did), called me in a meltdown, and we had a long talk about why he's managed to get himself kicked out of four different social circles in as many years. First he claimed transphobia, then started blaming everyone else for everything, and saying they don't give him a chance to tell his side of the story. But his ex-friends aren't transphobic, and I've already gotten their other side of the story, and I told him that.

He finally ran himself into the corner and claimed that he can't help it because he's mentally ill. I told him that it doesn't matter... People just won't stay if they keep getting hurt... and there might be a point where that includes me. He's not happy. I'm taking some mental health space from the issue for a couple days so maybe he'll think.

I think he needs the bottom dropped out from under him somehow or he's never going to come to his senses.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

Ugg. My MTF friend got accused of some stupid shit (which he probably did), called me in a meltdown, and we had a long talk about why he's managed to get himself kicked out of four different social circles in as many years. First he claimed transphobia, then started blaming everyone else for everything, and saying they don't give him a chance to tell his side of the story. But his ex-friends aren't transphobic, and I've already gotten their other side of the story, and I told him that.

He finally ran himself into the corner and claimed that he can't help it because he's mentally ill. I told him that it doesn't matter... People just won't stay if they keep getting hurt... and there might be a point where that includes me. He's not happy. I'm taking some mental health space from the issue for a couple days so maybe he'll think.

I think he needs the bottom dropped out from under him somehow or he's never going to come to his senses.

I find that many trans people don't know how to interact with people correctly. I'm not sure if it's just a general characteristic or it's due to the fact that their idea of identity is fucked up to the point where they can't properly compose themselves in different situations.

Edit: I'm still thinking about it and I don't know any trans person that can be normal. The most normal one is manipulative so I think it's just due to either underlying mental illness or inability to simply be normal.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I find that many trans people don't know how to interact with people correctly. I'm not sure if it's just a general characteristic or it's due to the fact that their idea of identity is fucked up to the point where they can't properly compose themselves in different situations.

Edit: I'm still thinking about it and I don't know any trans person that can be normal. The most normal one is manipulative so I think it's just due to either underlying mental illness or inability to simply be normal.

I know some normal ones. I think they don't make the news as often.

While comparing notes with someone on my MTF friend, we realized that a lot of his problems stem from his concpts of "societal norms" being totally out of sync with everyone around him.

 

[NerdShamer]

we realized that a lot of his problems stem from his definitions of "societal norms" being totally out of sync with everyone around him.

You know, this is probably why they prefer to hang out in their private Discord servers to chase out anyone who doesn't fit in with their vocabulary.

Likewise, he thinks nudity is natural, good, and supposedly non-sexual, and that it's society's problem if they get mad at him for stripping at a birthday party.

At least he actually enjoys being an wannabe stripper.

 

[Hepativore]

So, a troon just got hired where I work. She is a lesbian FTM, and I do not think she is taking hormones yet as she does not have the pedostubble on her face, nor does she have the Kermit voice yet.

While I have no problem with her as she seems surface-level polite, my only question here is "why"? She is very obviously female as she is very skinny and it makes her hip to shoulder ratio proportions stand out, not to mention she has a very feminine voice and mannerisms and she always wears yoga pants. The only thing about her that does not come off as female is the fact that she obviously wears a binding bra underneath her shirt, but she just looks like a flat-chested woman.

I mean, because of how low-effort all of this is, why does she keep up the pretense of being "male" and go by male pronouns when it is very obvious she is a woman and acts like one? I am not sure what all the point of this is on her part and it seems like the equivalent of somebody insisting that 2+2=5.