Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[frippery]

A friend of mine broke up with her boyfriend a few weeks ago. He told her he wanted to troon out and she tried to get him actual help but he only wanted to go to a gender quack. She told him about detransitioners, that he needs help because of past trauma, that she is very concerned and wanted to support him trough the recovery from said trauma and so on. Nothing mattered to him. The monster that is the tranny cult and his mental illness destroyed his sanity. The sad thing is that they love each other and he never called her transphobic once or sperged out during the breakup (which is probably rare). She said that she can't follow him because the path he chose leads to destruction and ended the relationship because staying with this man would lead to her demise as well. People who refuse to get help for their mental illness will only get worse and worse.

Another relationship destroyed by the tranny cult. When will this horror end??

Moral of the story: Even if you love the tranny and they love you - LEAVE!!!! These people are seriously mentally ill and will drag you down with them! Don't wait until you get hurt, get out asap!

It's really the same as with addicts. You have to protect yourself. You can still love the person, but you have to love yourself enough to disengage, disentangle, move on.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

It's really the same as with addicts. You have to protect yourself. You can still love the person, but you have to love yourself enough to disengage, disentangle, move on.

My friend said she was baffled by just how delusional he became. Dude is 6'6 and was absolutely convinced that he would become a dainty woman and strangers would see him as such. He became immune to logic and reason. My friend now considers the person her boyfriend once was as deceased and is mouring him and the family they wanted but now will never exist. It's absolutely tragic.

Also his family is enabling him, especially his brother. She was the only person who tried to help him and stop this madness. She hopes that he will cause lots of drama and dispute and tear this ugly family apart. They all deserve it.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Moral of the story: Even if you love the tranny and they love you - LEAVE!!!! These people are seriously mentally ill and will drag you down with them! Don't wait until you get hurt, get out asap!

It's really the same as with addicts. You have to protect yourself. You can still love the person, but you have to love yourself enough to disengage, disentangle, move on.

In the case of both addicts and troons, they are not worth your "love" unless they prove theirs by willing to give up their self destructive habit (drugs or gender bending fetishism respectively) for your sake, or the sake of anyone else they claim to care about.

Give them an ultimatum: Stop that shit, or we're through.

 

[soup peddler]

100% of my desire to be intimate with my boyfriend has evaporated. I just don't feel the desire to cuddle with him, go on dates with him, have sex with him... just any physical intimacy. It's like he's magically metamorphosed into a new species I can't feel attraction towards.

This is weird, but I kind of think it's because he's started HRT and doesn't have testosterone anymore? Nothing else has changed since then, we've been on the rocks for a while. Even before I knew his testosterone was gone, I started noticing that his smell was totally different. I used to smell his chest/ skin and my head would clear, it was intoxicating. It would shoot positive chemicals into my brain, and I would instantly feel a trillion percent better in all ways. But in the past two weeks, he's smelled totally different, and this phenomenon (that also happened with all of my past boyfriends) was no longer happening, to where I actively asked him if he was doing something different, not knowing about the hormone change.

I'm pretty sure it's because he's not making testosterone anymore, and there's some kind of pheromone thing happening. I know it sounds crazy, but it happened. It's a really, really weird feeling.

 

[Baraadmirer]

I'm pretty sure it's because he's not making testosterone anymore, and there's some kind of pheromone thing happening. I know it sounds crazy, but it happened. It's a really, really weird feeling.

Any normally-functioning human body regardless of sex will make androgens (which includes testosterone) and estrogens, but ratios differ between males and females. I definitely believe that you sense that the ratio's shifted for him.

 

[Kent Allard]

100% of my desire to be intimate with my boyfriend has evaporated. I just don't feel the desire to cuddle with him, go on dates with him, have sex with him... just any physical intimacy. It's like he's magically metamorphosed into a new species I can't feel attraction towards.

This is weird, but I kind of think it's because he's started HRT and doesn't have testosterone anymore? Nothing else has changed since then, we've been on the rocks for a while. Even before I knew his testosterone was gone, I started noticing that his smell was totally different. I used to smell his chest/ skin and my head would clear, it was intoxicating. It would shoot positive chemicals into my brain, and I would instantly feel a trillion percent better in all ways. But in the past two weeks, he's smelled totally different, and this phenomenon (that also happened with all of my past boyfriends) was no longer happening, to where I actively asked him if he was doing something different, not knowing about the hormone change.

I'm pretty sure it's because he's not making testosterone anymore, and there's some kind of pheromone thing happening. I know it sounds crazy, but it happened. It's a really, really weird feeling.

There’s no doubt that sexual attraction and smell are closely linked in mammals. IDN if this happens with women, but I can tell you that my experience with sex and smell was working for a boss who used the same perfume a former girlfriend wore, and I experienced what might be called involuntary attraction. She wasn’t stunning, but my olfactory lobe was trying to tell me otherwise.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

There’s no doubt that sexual attraction and smell are closely linked in mammals.

Memory is also linked strongly to taste and smell. Ever go somewhere, smell something and have a flashback to when you smelled it last? Visions and sounds flash before you instantly.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

I recently met a new friendgroup, all of them seemed like oretty normal people.
I realized two guys in the group are dating, however when asking one of the guys about the other he replied refering to his boyfriend with feminine pronouns. Just to make sure I decided to check his twitter, so far I don't see much indication that he is a troon oher than the female pronouns for himself, no flags on profile, not even pronouns in bio, he just refers to himself as a she in some posts, which would be enough to mark him as a troon but could also mean he is just a fruity faggot.
However there was something more worrying about this guy on his twitter. His fursona is very child-like, and even if as far as I'm aware this guy doesnt have a nsfw account he has shared some sketches of that kind of his fursona in group chat, this is also why I'm not sure if he is a troon or just a faggot, his fursona is not the typical huge boobs futanari, is very child like and has no indication of a woman-like body like breasts or hips, is basically a cub artist. So I'm very sure this guy even though is currently dating a guy his age (in his 20s) has some questionable stuff and enough redflags for me to be not want to be in contact with him.
I'm gonna try and discuss with my other friends about this because the guy even though is pretty chill in calls is creppying me out a little

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I recently met a new friendgroup, all of them seemed like oretty normal people.
I realized two guys in the group are dating, however when asking one of the guys about the other he replied refering to his boyfriend with feminine pronouns. Just to make sure I decided to check his twitter, so far I don't see much indication that he is a troon oher than the female pronouns for himself, no flags on profile, not even pronouns in bio, he just refers to himself as a she in some posts, which would be enough to mark him as a troon but could also mean he is just a fruity faggot.
However there was something more worrying about this guy on his twitter. His fursona is very child-like, and even if as far as I'm aware this guy doesnt have a nsfw account he has shared some sketches of that kind of his fursona in group chat, this is also why I'm not sure if he is a troon or just a faggot, his fursona is not the typical huge boobs futanari, is very child like and has no indication of a woman-like body like breasts or hips, is basically a cub artist. So I'm very sure this guy even though is currently dating a guy his age (in his 20s) has some questionable stuff and enough redflags for me to be not want to be in contact with him.
I'm gonna try and discuss with my other friends about this because the guy even though is pretty chill in calls is creppying me out a little

Life is too short, just flee from people like this like it's the devil himself. (It probably is.)

 

[Baraadmirer]

I realized two guys in the group are dating, however when asking one of the guys about the other he replied refering to his boyfriend with feminine pronouns. Just to make sure I decided to check his twitter, so far I don't see much indication that he is a troon oher than the female pronouns for himself, no flags on profile, not even pronouns in bio, he just refers to himself as a she in some posts, which would be enough to mark him as a troon but could also mean he is just a fruity faggot.

I'ma say that this is an old-fashioned spicy gay who calls his friends "gurls".

 

[米津玄師]

I had a bad feeling while reading through this thread and decided to go check on my 14yo male cousin's Discord account. My gut instantly dropped when I saw that he now has "She/Her" in his pronouns. I wanted to believe that he probably simply had his account stolen (as another family member of mine had his account hacked a while ago) so I messaged him, but all signs are pointing to it actually being him. I don't know what to do or what to say. I don't even know what I should say to him. I'm hoping it's just another case of gen-Z being experimental and it's just a phase, but like... what the fuck, man.
I feel sick to my stomach. I don't even want to know where and how he got the idea, or who pushed him into doing it.
What the hell should I even do?

 

[Space Police]

I had a bad feeling while reading through this thread and decided to go check on my 14yo male cousin's Discord account. My gut instantly dropped when I saw that he now has "She/Her" in his pronouns. I wanted to believe that he probably simply had his account stolen (as another family member of mine had his account hacked a while ago) so I messaged him, but all signs are pointing to it actually being him. I don't know what to do or what to say. I don't even know what I should say to him. I'm hoping it's just another case of gen-Z being experimental and it's just a phase, but like... what the fuck, man.
I feel sick to my stomach. I don't even want to know where and how he got the idea, or who pushed him into doing it.
What the hell should I even do?

There's nothing you can do except ignore it and just pretend he doesn't exist. Gray-rock is the only way to deal with troons because it somewhat forces them into their own thoughts and misery to self-reflect (this is why they're so terminally online). If you use the name and pronouns and such, he'll take it as validation to dig his heels in deeper. If you confront him about it, he'll place any doubts he has on "transphobes" like you. If you talk about it in a non-committal way, he'll either twist it into validation or "transphobia". As to why he trooned out, it's most likely pornography combined with transgender grooming and teenage boy perversion. Teenage boys are absolute sociopaths, so doing things like this is right up their alley.

 

[Ms. Andry]

all of them seemed like oretty normal people

His fursona

there’s nothing normal about having a fursona, whether it’s a troon one, gay one or a pedo one. it’s the type of depravity that is a valid reason alone to end a friendship unless you’re a furfag yourself as well.

 

[seri0us]

There's nothing you can do except ignore it and just pretend he doesn't exist. Gray-rock is the only way to deal with troons because it somewhat forces them into their own thoughts and misery to self-reflect (

He's only 14, I consider that to still be a kid. Ignoring it will leave "validation" from groomers completely unopposed.

 

[Battery Low]

Maybe pretend to be truly ignorant but "interested to learn" keep things friendly and benign but ask questions that might lead them down the path of questioning if being trans actually makes a speck of sense. Gently leading them to discover for themselves the logical inconsistencies, or that it boils down to stereotypes at best, seems to work for some kids.

If you can, try to make some opportunities to hang out regularly. Hobbies and socialising that gets them off discord and into the real world.

Meanwhile go on a manhunt and try to locate the groomer(s). Proceede as appropriate.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Gray-rock is the only way to deal with troons because it somewhat forces them into their own thoughts and misery to self-reflect (this is why they're so terminally online).

Maybe pretend to be truly ignorant but "interested to learn" keep things friendly and benign but ask questions that might lead them down the path of questioning if being trans actually makes a speck of sense.

Whichever path you take really depends on how much patience you have for consequences.

I prefer the first, myself. Maybe it's because I've had enough toxic relationships in my life that I don't want to invite in another narcissist.

The second only works if you can't avoid these people and you need to make it clear that their voodoo won't work on you.

 

[The Ugly One]

I didn't say it was a epidemic of fundies trooning their gay kids. There are a few though. Maybe the Bruesehoffs weren't a good example but the Shappleys are the real deal.

No fundamentalist churches ordain women.

 

[grenouille crétine]

I feel sick to my stomach. I don't even want to know where and how he got the idea, or who pushed him into doing it.
What the hell should I even do?

You kind of do need to know, unpleasant as it is—you, and/or his parents. Someone needs to know, because there’s a high likelihood that if it’s people on Discord encouraging the troonery, even if they’re all the same age () something bad may have already happened sex-wise, and the sooner you process stuff like that, the better.

If some pinkpill pedo is chatting him up and trying to get him to send selfies in secret Amazon knee socks and cat collars à la Keffals, he needs to know that the pedo is the bad one, not him. That conversation has to be had; the important of boundaries and online safety must be stated, or hopefully restated; and (I’d hope this goes without saying) no more unsupervised internet for at least several months. Busy-making hobbies and outdoor activities to fill the gap. You can’t protect them forever—IRL friends will still be liable to show “things” on their own phones or tablets at lunchtime, after school etc. However, once Pandora’s box is opened, kids are owed an honest conversation about what porn is and why, even if their friends watch it and think it’s NBD, it is. Just to restate, that includes reassuring grooming victims that they are not damaged beyond repair, if things unfortunately did get that far.

I hope no adults have been grooming him and it’s just something he’s absorbed via Minecraft streamer osmosis or something…
…F1NN5TER streams that game, doesn’t he

Anyway, if he can be cut off from Queerios at the source, whatever that is, there is hope. It sounds like you messaged him on Discord, so maybe you have that “in” of being a “cool cousin”. A conversation about how to help a female genderspecial teen a few pages back received similar advice: show them they are loved as-is, and be a positive same-sex role model. Important point: if he does have or retain genuine, non-sexual “feminine” interests or qualities, let them be. Better he be allowed to be a cross-stitching theatre mince than get pigeonholed into football and hockey while hating them. (There are straight men with such hobbies as well.) Regardless, just encourage him to be an active kid pursuing positive, constructive hobbies and goals, and do try to get to the bottom of where it’s coming from.

It’s not an easy position to be in. Parents on board and you as field support would be best.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

I'm pretty sure it's because he's not making testosterone anymore, and there's some kind of pheromone thing happening. I know it sounds crazy, but it happened. It's a really, really weird feeling.

The good men I know go to work everyday and around the house to support their wife and children. They think of it as a privilege to provide for and care for their family. And you…you are dating a man whose primary concern is taking HRT so he can “have a nice butt.”

 

[soup peddler]

The good men I know go to work everyday and around the house to support their wife and children. They think of it as a privilege to provide for and care for their family. And you…you are dating a man whose primary concern is taking HRT so he can “have a nice butt.”

Yeah, I... definitely have come to terms with my mistake and will keep it in mind for the future. I've made arrangements to move next month and have been priming him on reflecting on the ways we're not compatible and he seems to understand.

It feels bad because he's an interested and nice person, and I feel kind of responsible for his well-being. He's a great "friend with similar hobbies", but uh I really don't want to be connected-in-life with him.