Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[femboy fart huffer]

not have tits.

Wait till they see good ol Baz from down the pub who's drank himself into having b cups yet is still more masculine than any 'transgender' could ever dream of, at least ftm ones.

 

[Baraadmirer]

>be me
>get hit by a pang of nostalgia
>look at old HS photos on FaceBook
>mouse over tagged people in photos
>notice the profile name for one of my male HS friends has changed to something suspiciously nonbinary
>click on profile
>watch photos transition from masc to fem
>read posts that transition to talking about trans issues and transphobia
>traumatizedmrincredible.webp

 

[Lovely Kin]

>be me
>get hit by a pang of nostalgia
>look at old HS photos on FaceBook
>mouse over tagged people in photos
>notice the profile name for one of my male HS friends has changed to something suspiciously nonbinary
>click on profile
>watch photos transition from masc to fem
>read posts that transition to talking about trans issues and transphobia
>traumatizedmrincredible.webp

It's usually the ultramasculine types that become the most horrific troons with the jawlines. My condolences.

 

[Commander Suzdal]

The teen daughters of several people I know have come out as nonbinary or FTM - it's been happening for years - but I just found out a boy I've known since he was born has come out as MTF.

Between being a bright kid who could read before he started preschool, and a mom who responded to every real or crocodile tear with snacks so he never had to learn to manage his frustration, this kid was destined to be fat and not fit in. In the pre-social media era, he would have found some fellow dorks at the D&D table in the high school cafeteria, or the Math Olympics Team, or the maker club at college, married some dork chick, and raised a new generation of dork kids - just like every math teacher and engineer I ever knew.

He wasn't a feminine kid and had no typical female interests, but we all know what thread this is. In middle school, his mom let him go online unsupervised all the time ("It's great that he's learning so much about computers! And I'm glad he has online friends, because he doesn't have any at school") and sent him to therapy. I don't know where the trans cult got to him first - online or via the therapist - but he's turned eighteen, cut off his whole family except for a handmaiden cousin, and dropped out of college. His parents don't know if he's gotten hormones or surgery yet. All the handmaiden cousin will pass along is proof of life.

 

[I don’t like cheesecakes]

Hello! Made an account just to post in this thread.



I used to be part of a transfeminist circle and even tentatively described myself as trans. I never even changed my name, I had just always been a tomboy and slipping into a transmasc role felt easy. But enough about me.



Actually being around trans people made me realize that 1) their ideology is bullshit, 2) that 99% of them are simply spoiled rich kids with nothing better to do and are on the hunt for sweet oppression points (which can be exchanged with the currency of social capital in certain groups of people) I have a lot of stories to tell about those YEARS but I don’t think this is the right thread (I would love to be redirected to a more apt one).



So, fast forward to today. I think I’m ABOUT to lose a friend, that is if I choose to be brutally honest or to mostly stay silent while trying to nudge her back into some sanity. Basically, an online friend of mine who I have met multiple times irl has moved to another country (I’m not going to say which one is which, but for context you need to know it’s a more “accepting” place than ours, it also lets you have an easier access to HRT and surgeries). I remember her constantly talking about trans “guys” she was dating and honestly thought she was about to peak (since she’s a lesbian). Her and her ex gf were (and are) enthusiastic TRAs just like I was when we first met but even then they would draw the line at troons telling them they should like dick unless they wanted to be called transphobic.



I think their solution was to start identifying as trans too, instead of realizing it makes no sense. It has been “every pronoun it’s fine, really!” with the both of them for a while now but…



I think the last straw was the last TIF she dated: she (sorry, he) told her they couldn’t date if she kept being adamant about using the lesbian label because he is a MAN and cannot pursue a relationship with someone who doesn’t like MEN. That’s what she recounted. Then, next time she spoke to me, she told me she was buying her first binder. Then, when I tried venting to a gc about my internalized homophobia my friend chimed in with a “same!! I think I’m a boy but I’m scared”.



Like… I’m too tired now to go into more detail but… it’s always the same song and dance with TIFs: wealthy backgrounds, no self esteem, easily manipulated. I wonder how long it will be once she will start telling me I have to start HRT (something another ex friend had the not-balls of telling me once) (but that’s another story).

 

[Baraadmirer]

Welcome to the Farms.

I think the last straw was the last TIF she dated: she (sorry, he) told her they couldn’t date if she kept being adamant about using the lesbian label because he is a MAN and cannot pursue a relationship with someone who doesn’t like MEN. That’s what she recounted. Then, next time she spoke to me, she told me she was buying her first binder. Then, when I tried venting to a gc about my internalized homophobia my friend chimed in with a “same!! I think I’m a boy but I’m scared”.

I suppose one thing you can do is to ask your friend what she finds appealing about her partners; as a lesbian there has to be some physical feminine aspect that she's attracted to. Does your friend know about the physiological side effects of chest-binding like compressed ribs, breathing difficulties, and back problems?

 

[Coldsteel the Hedgehog]

If your friend is also a lesbian, it's worth mentioning too that transitioning can and will take away from her the female traits in herself she finds attractive—binding IRREVERSIBLY (I'm stressing this because people gloss over it all the time) destroys the breast tissue, hrt will change her smell/skin texture/body hair.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Wait till they see good ol Baz from down the pub who's drank himself into having b cups yet is still more masculine than any 'transgender' could ever dream of, at least ftm ones.

I often wonder if we showed girls a picture of Baz from down the pub and said, "there's a chance you would look like this. Is that what you truly want?" that they would continue down the path.

They might say yes in the moment to save face, but if transgenderism is just a seed that gets planted that gets them to this point, plant a different seed.

Between being a bright kid who could read before he started preschool, and a mom who responded to every real or crocodile tear with snacks so he never had to learn to manage his frustration, this kid was destined to be fat and not fit in. In the pre-social media era, he would have found some fellow dorks at the D&D table in the high school cafeteria, or the Math Olympics Team, or the maker club at college, married some dork chick, and raised a new generation of dork kids - just like every math teacher and engineer I ever knew.

I wonder if the funnel from "toxic masculinity" to "troon out the boys" is just this clear-cut. First, it was vilifying male hobbies, then it was stuffing them full of people for "representation". Was it really only a matter of time before anyone raised in those hobbies started to believe that in order to "fix" the problems with these hobbies, the answer was always "be a girl"?

 

[I don’t like cheesecakes]

Welcome to the Farms.

I suppose one thing you can do is to ask your friend what she finds appealing about her partners; as a lesbian there has to be some physical feminine aspect that she's attracted to. Does your friend know about the physiological side effects of chest-binding like compressed ribs, breathing difficulties, and back problems?

Re: chest binding problems: she is under the impression that those problems only stem from long hours of use. I have met TIFs who talk about the side effects of it as if it were another side of their oppression (even though they bought it lol) and made their quest for HRT and top surgery all the more urgent. She will probably fall under that category, but I’ll do my best to inform her with some useful links.

It would honestly kind of be out of character for me to ask what she finds appealing in those TIFs. She told me she just wanted to date because she misses her ex gf, which I get. Idk, I’m starting to kind of lose faith in her ability to make sound decisions, although I feel like transgenderism is going to ruin her future (she’s a talented singer, dancer, actor, all things I feel could be negatively impacted by this)

 

[I don’t like cheesecakes]

If your friend is also a lesbian, it's worth mentioning too that transitioning can and will take away from her the female traits in herself she finds attractive—binding IRREVERSIBLY (I'm stressing this because people gloss over it all the time) destroys the breast tissue, hrt will change her smell/skin texture/body hair.

She would tell me I’m a perverted TERF who thinks transgenderism is robbing us of lesbians/thinks I should have control over her body. Those were her talking points even before entering this stage