Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[WinchesterWhiskey]

I'm aware of a dude who failed basic training in 2010 and ended up becoming a girl because "I was having dreams I was the M4A1 SOPMOD girl from Girls:Frontline." They were constantly depressed and took out their frustration toward themselves working at a Walmart distribution center on other people, me included. They fell into a bad crowd that fancied itself an "AnCap tranny militia(think Tommy Tooter and the Tranch meets /r9k/)."

I should be upset, but they were a real piece of shit to me and others because they liked to also take the frustration of failing basic training out on others. I pushed them away but there's a part of me that wishes I could've somehow helped them. Last I checked, their whole social media feed is just Astolfo, ACAB, and memes about wanting their ass to be fucked.

 

[Nero You're DeadWeight]

Moe shit was a mistake and blight on humanity, and almost every TiM I know of is heavily into it. Seeing constant moe memes, avatars, and reaction images + the porn brain likely has some effect on these people.

Whenever I see something moe themed now, chances are the person is either a troon or some sort of incel, and its just such a turn off.

Can confirm most troons are obsessed with sanrio characters, which I think fall under the moe category.
If you've seen stuff like hello kitty, my melody, cinnamoroll, etc. those are sanrio characters. Atm they have BNHA and Naruto merch based on them at ht, and we know how much troons love to go there to buy merch that'll disintegrate after 2 washes or burn because of REEE problematic shit.

I didn't even know what the hell a sanrio was until the troons kept shoving it everywhere.

 

[Dreamer]

I think the absolute worst thing you can say to a troon (if you care) is "you're not really trans" or maybe even "you're not really a girl".
Might seem counterintuitive but consider that saying this shit will only make them mutilate themselves faster.
I think people on sites like /pol/ do it specifically with that in mind, i wouldn't be surprised if "YWNBAW" was actually peddled by troons themselves just to get more people into the surgery room.
Trannies on twitter seem to be really pushing this shit too, "you're not really trans my ally, not until you made the blood sacrifice"
As long as they didn't cut off their dick yet trooning can be reversed but past an operation there really isn't much hope for them anymore.

Maybe its better to say something like "ok you're a girl, whatever" and then aggressively stop giving a fuck or make it seem like its the silliest shit to possibly care about.
Lack of attention might make them uninterested in you, might make them want to take more drastic measures to get this attention, but it might also make them reconsider this shit.

In any case if you hear your friend taking about an operation you have to cut ties immediately and as loudly as possible. Once its done, he is done too.
Sry if someone posted that earlier.

 

[ReturnedHermit]

I think the absolute worst thing you can say to a troon (if you care) is "you're not really trans" or maybe even "you're not really a girl".
Might seem counterintuitive but consider that saying this shit will only make them mutilate themselves faster.
I think people on sites like /pol/ do it specifically with that in mind, i wouldn't be surprised if "YWNBAW" was actually peddled by troons themselves just to get more people into the surgery room.
Trannies on twitter seem to be really pushing this shit too, "you're not really trans my ally, not until you made the blood sacrifice"
As long as they didn't cut off their dick yet trooning can be reversed but past an operation there really isn't much hope for them anymore.

Maybe its better to say something like "ok you're a girl, whatever" and then aggressively stop giving a fuck or make it seem like its the silliest shit to possibly care about.
Lack of attention might make them uninterested in you, might make them want to take more drastic measures to get this attention, but it might also make them reconsider this shit.

In any case if you hear your friend taking about an operation you have to cut ties immediately and as loudly as possible. Once its done, he is done too.
Sry if someone posted that earlier.

Very insightful. You're really tapping into what makes this such an effective concept. Such an excellent blend of medicine, sacrifice, self identification as a political underdog, and an individual's expression of deeply personal desires is the core of many faiths. The right can't quite defeat something so religious by falling on their own rhetoric, yet the left is paralyzed by the class and oppression narratives.

 

[Ser Prize]

This shit just point out how actually autistic troons are. Neurotypical people are able to think broader than this black and white-thinking. They are even more lonely after trooning out too. You are healed, my ass.
The answer is not to abolish gender, but to accept that men aren't 100% masculine. But don't go overboard with the femininity. Men more feminine than women is such a hate crime to watch.
And I have a feeling that more women troon out, is because men are starting to become more feminine than them.
LGB+++ organisations are rotten to the core, and they know exactly what they're doing.

They definitely exist. Anyway, since it is relevant here's an essay about how anime makes young men trans.

IIRC it's less anime itself and, ironically, young men who do stuff like self identify with smug anime girl avatars. They've seen that how you choose to represent yourself has a large impact on your self perception. Aydin Paladin talked about this.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Does she lives with the said partner? If she does then getting her away temporarily could snap her out of it. Now this isn't guaranteed but do remember this a cult and one of the most effective ways cults work is isolation and continuous flow of propaganda. If you can shake the routine and get between her and the cult leader, she has so much better change of getting out. There are actual quides how to do this effectively by people who have helped families to get their loved one out of cults but to be warned that even they say the members do choose their cult sometimes.

Sadly she lives at home with mom, and has 0 aspirations of moving out on her own at this time. She willingly choses to involve herself with the cult, she lives in a small town and spends all day online. Even with a full time job she has 0 interest in doing anything other then buying fast food and browsing twitter/social media all day.

Mom's going to kick her out if they actually get married, which is nice, but right now my sister is in no hurry to leave.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Can confirm most troons are obsessed with sanrio characters, which I think fall under the moe category.
If you've seen stuff like hello kitty, my melody, cinnamoroll, etc. those are sanrio characters. Atm they have BNHA and Naruto merch based on them at ht, and we know how much troons love to go there to buy merch that'll disintegrate after 2 washes or burn because of REEE problematic shit.

I didn't even know what the hell a sanrio was until the troons kept shoving it everywhere.

You didn't watch Hello Kitty as a kid? I love Hello Kitty merch, btw.

 

[Nero You're DeadWeight]

You didn't watch Hello Kitty as a kid? I love Hello Kitty merch, btw.

I watched hello Kitty, but I didn't know the entire brand was called sanrio. It was more of a I just thought my melody and hello kitty were their own independent things and not a whole umbrella if that makes sense? I own some cute HK stuff myself tbh.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

I need some opinions from people here, I wonder what is going on. It's not much of a personal question as much as why troons seem to be so oblivious of any social standard around them without realising that it is likely them when they don't fit in? So a while back I've talked about my AGP troon friend who confessed to me that he wanted to be a woman out of a roleplaying and fetish, even before the trans widows thread got made. Used to be a big workaholic asshole. This is the same guy who dress like he's going to budget goth-rave with mismatched clothing and unfitting skirt at a camping trip and looks extremely out of place He used to be a kind of guy who shows obvious sexual interests on his facebook and seemed to be obsessed with sassy alt girls and start to talk about himself in 3rd person as if he was one lately.

As you may know, He (as well as him), is from Thailand, where ladyboys are very common but they're all HSTS who's been obviously effeminate faggots since they were children, unlike him who suddenly trooned out of nowhere.

Lately he said that he's scared and socially anxious around HSTS trannies/ladyboys, because he doesn't act like them. He said he doesn't know much about fashion (Of course, he dress like if he came from edgy anime, or some combination of that blue-haired chick from Scott Pilgrim and the girl from Leon) and scared he'd be criticised for not knowing about to be catty. He doesn't really understand the culture, and too introverted to be around them and it made him. He hasn't been anywhere feminine since 3rd grade. (He's always been a huge nerd with monotone voice who tried to act tough and judgemental... but he did have a girlfriend with one point and vibrant social circle.. so I don't think he's as bad as autistic troons here... but he's certainly a self-absorbed asshole who's ready to be a dick to anyone not up to his standard)

He said that only reddit, of all place, is the only place he found safe in. The r/mtf and r/traaaans... which he said is very 'informative' (lmao). He said that he wished that the world would be a safe place for troons who have no social skills and act like a weirdos... fuck...

How much do you think he's far gone? he's 7 months on HRT but no plan of getting the chop yet. And I do wonder what will happen to these losers anime-addict troons we're seeing here in this thread in 10-20 years? Would they gain some sort of sense?

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

The point is he found non-political HSTS uncomfortable because he's scared he'll be seen as a social retard who dress like an anime character. And only found r/traaaans, reddit and anon boards 'validating' to him.

Was your friend a big Otaku/Hikikkomori type before trooning it up? There's a distinct community of socially awkward men and basically incels who then troon out and they don't fit in with women at all, or with most gay men, because these groups generally do not obsess with Internet culture and anime shit. He sounds like that.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Was your friend a big Otaku/Hikikkomori type before trooning it up? There's a distinct community of socially awkward men and basically incels who then troon out and they don't fit in with women at all, or with most gay men, because these groups generally do not obsess with Internet culture and anime shit. He sounds like that.

He's not a NEET or shut-in, but likely a big Otaku, into anime and other nerd media. He actually had a girlfriend once and a decent social life and doing good in designer circles. (Which is very liberal and troonism is worshipped) He definitely started from roleplaying forums, he always roleplayed sort of idealised girl which seem really shallow and their defining quality is being cool and sassy.

I feel like he's definitely 'in' that type of socially awkward men who troon out still. I have told him once that he needs to think through trooning out a lot but he eventually did and seem to get deeper an deeper into a delusional rabbit hole. And I don't want to speak with him because he's been pretty rude with me a lot of times even before he trooned out.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

He's not a NEET or shut-in, but likely a big Otaku, into anime and other nerd media. He actually had a girlfriend once and a decent social life and doing good in designer circles. (Which is very liberal and troonism is worshipped) He definitely started from roleplaying forums, he always roleplayed sort of idealised girl which seem really shallow and their defining quality is being cool and sassy.

I feel like he's definitely 'in' that type of socially awkward men who troon out still. I have told him once that he needs to think through trooning out a lot but he eventually did and seem to get deeper an deeper into a delusional rabbit hole. And I don't want to speak with him because he's been pretty rude with me a lot of times even before he trooned out.

Incel-to-troon pipeline. Even very successful and well-liked troons can end up looking like Narcissa Wright to some degree. They become ghouls with no ambition or motivation. Once their life spirals out of control, they don't even understand what changed.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/narcissa-wright-cosmo-wright.24309

Another thing to consider is that chopping up your dick and removing your balls will destroy your libido. If it's just an AGP fetish, they will no longer be able to masturbate once they've cut off their dick... The surgery is really risky and there are many cases of troons losing the sexual thrill once their balls (testosterone) are gone, which leads to a rapid 41%. There are a few examples of that floating around the forum.

 

[Aunt Carol]

He's not a NEET or shut-in, but likely a big Otaku, into anime and other nerd media. He actually had a girlfriend once and a decent social life and doing good in designer circles. (Which is very liberal and troonism is worshipped) He definitely started from roleplaying forums, he always roleplayed sort of idealised girl which seem really shallow and their defining quality is being cool and sassy.

I think one part of it is that he is an awkward nerd, but he wants to be cool and irreverent and quick-witted and have everyone like him.

The characters he can think of like that are women, because he's a dude who's attracted to women so that's who he pays attention to. A male version, I dunno; top of my head, let's say Han Solo.

You can try to act cool, keeping Han Solo in the back of your mind as you try to banter, but you're hampered by being a sweaty nerd. Things to change that are hard and long-term, like working out or learning skills or paying attention to social nuance.

However, he's not thinking of Han Solo as he tries to quip. He's thinking of Sassy Anime Girl #5, and his internet friends tell him that there are pills and surgeries that can make him a girl. It's cargo cult thinking but it's seductive, the pitch that if he medically transitions, it'll also fix everything that's wrong with his personality and bring him friends.

It hasn't occurred to him that even if he could snap his fingers and magically become a woman, there are plenty of women who are homely and boring and socially awkward.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Sadly she lives at home with mom, and has 0 aspirations of moving out on her own at this time. She willingly choses to involve herself with the cult, she lives in a small town and spends all day online. Even with a full time job she has 0 interest in doing anything other then buying fast food and browsing twitter/social media all day.

Mom's going to kick her out if they actually get married, which is nice, but right now my sister is in no hurry to leave.

I see. Most people are at their worst if they are bored and have too much free time to think about their feelings and failures. I have seen something like this before and honestly best thing to happen was moving out or getting kicked out. She is probably just depressed and feeling hopeless because she is "stuck" being a teenager. Home with mommy and no real plans moving forward while your age peers are doing so? It's so much more comfortable to close your eyes and live in pretend land than taking uncomfortable steps to the full adult life behind everybody. I don't know if you can but try talking with your mother to forse her grow up a little. If your mom can't make herself to kick her out, with would be my first choise, maybe she can at least make her pay rent and take on actual adult responsibilities with running the house on her own like take over the garden, weekly full house cleaning or doing all of the laundry. So that it's more roommates than parent child dynamic. Worst case for her is just allow have comfortable responsibilities free space for continue obsessing with her bad feelings.

 

[cummytummies]

None. I don't even know any gay people.

Then again I come from an upper-middle class (not American) background and except for one all my friends' parents are still married and they had a stable upbringing.

 

[Vingle]

what will happen to these losers anime-addict troons we're seeing here in this thread in 10-20 years?

Hopefully dead.

 

[Punitive Castration]

Oh gee, this thread exists, huh.

I could go on forever because I'm way into the range of too many people I know or knew trooning out, but really I just need advice on strategy.

I know a guy. We were never friends- I would never hang out with him alone, or see him outside of a shared routine hangout (think Church-esque) We talked fairly often when he was still married, and previously had a little arc where he sought to talk to me because he's autistic and I catered to that by being very quiet and mellow, and abruptly stopped and got loud again as soon as I realized that was the dynamic.

Since then, he's come out as trans and divorced the mother of his child. He makes no visual effort yet. Because I've been down this train before I reacted immediately. The first day I knew what was going on he approached me to come out directly, I broke eye contact and went one-word-answer mode so he never did and I avoided having to come up with something nice to say.

In the months since I've set about establishing a brain trust. I picked out the other women in the group and, to put it bluntly, TERFed them. I walked them through the things he was about to do, how his behavior fits into disturbing known patterns (he waited for his wife to give birth, he was clearly attempting to become certain women in the group, etc.) how reactive and crazy he had become since COVID and how, most importantly, there is no need for women to carry the burden of a crazy man they barely know. It worked better than expected. I shouldn't have bothered trying it on the guys, none of them got upset with me but they all went "well, why be skeptical? Let's just be nice." I probably should have expected that but god forbid I expect male feminists to listen to women.

Phase two was just- phrasing- stonewalling him. No eye contact. The only time he has managed to talk to me was when I asked someone a question and they called him for an answer. And then I just said "thanks." The other women aren't willing to go that far but they end up having super patronizing conversations with him because how his autistic behavior seems to be worsening. I think he can tell very clearly that he is not getting any traction in this group and it's pushing him to have more emotional outbursts which worsen his traction further.

Phase three, I don't know yet. I can't kick him out or anything but I think I've tanned his hide enough that he has quit coming with rare exceptions. I suppose if I'm setting goals that should be goal met, right? I'm just worried that quashing him like this means he's hiding at home until he can grow his hair out, buy a dress and snip his dick off and then he's going to come roaring back like a horrible nightmare we thought we had all outgrown.

edit: I guess and since I should probably self-reflect- how I feel about all this is I hate it. I hate how a man with a fetish can jeopardize such a nice social event. I hate how I know exactly where this goes, and how we're all sitting on the stupid ride waiting for it to go there. I hate that you can have so many women saying no and then men in the group go "mmmmmm, boundaries? sounds fake." I hate how even if I acted like a nice TRA about all this he would still be pushing us towards disaster some other way. A nice social group shouldn't have walking bombs in it.

 

[Weed Eater]

Oh gee, this thread exists, huh.

I could go on forever because I'm way into the range of too many people I know or knew trooning out, but really I just need advice on strategy.

I know a guy. We were never friends- I would never hang out with him alone, or see him outside of a shared routine hangout (think Church-esque) We talked fairly often when he was still married, and previously had a little arc where he sought to talk to me because he's autistic and I catered to that by being very quiet and mellow, and abruptly stopped and got loud again as soon as I realized that was the dynamic.

Since then, he's come out as trans and divorced the mother of his child. He makes no visual effort yet. Because I've been down this train before I reacted immediately. The first day I knew what was going on he approached me to come out directly, I broke eye contact and went one-word-answer mode so he never did and I avoided having to come up with something nice to say.

In the months since I've set about establishing a brain trust. I picked out the other women in the group and, to put it bluntly, TERFed them. I walked them through the things he was about to do, how his behavior fits into disturbing known patterns (he waited for his wife to give birth, he was clearly attempting to become certain women in the group, etc.) how reactive and crazy he had become since COVID and how, most importantly, there is no need for women to carry the burden of a crazy man they barely know. It worked better than expected. I shouldn't have bothered trying it on the guys, none of them got upset with me but they all went "well, why be skeptical? Let's just be nice." I probably should have expected that but god forbid I expect male feminists to listen to women.

Phase two was just- phrasing- stonewalling him. No eye contact. The only time he has managed to talk to me was when I asked someone a question and they called him for an answer. And then I just said "thanks." The other women aren't willing to go that far but they end up having super patronizing conversations with him because how his autistic behavior seems to be worsening. I think he can tell very clearly that he is not getting any traction in this group and it's pushing him to have more emotional outbursts which worsen his traction further.

Phase three, I don't know yet. I can't kick him out or anything but I think I've tanned his hide enough that he has quit coming with rare exceptions. I suppose if I'm setting goals that should be goal met, right? I'm just worried that quashing him like this means he's hiding at home until he can grow his hair out, buy a dress and snip his dick off and then he's going to come roaring back like a horrible nightmare we thought we had all outgrown.

edit: I guess and since I should probably self-reflect- how I feel about all this is I hate it. I hate how a man with a fetish can jeopardize such a nice social event. I hate how I know exactly where this goes, and how we're all sitting on the stupid ride waiting for it to go there. I hate that you can have so many women saying no and then men in the group go "mmmmmm, boundaries? sounds fake." I hate how even if I acted like a nice TRA about all this he would still be pushing us towards disaster some other way. A nice social group shouldn't have walking bombs in it.

That'll always be the problem with the male side of the trans issue. Men aren't as threatened by these freaks because they are on the same playing field as them. It's still a man dealing with the bullshit of another man. You probably noticed it yourself, but notice how male-to-female troons never want to mingle with other normal men. It's almost like they're perfectly aware of how women take more pleasure/our brains reward us more when we mingle in social settings compared to most men. Troons actively try to uproot anything positive or normal in social settings, because how dare they not be the center of attention in the ways they always want.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I shouldn't have bothered trying it on the guys, none of them got upset with me but they all went "well, why be skeptical? Let's just be nice." I probably should have expected that but god forbid I expect male feminists to listen to women.

How did you speak to the guys? Most guys don't like being ordered around or told be scared but do respond fairly well for neutral heads ups. Guys aren't in danger from this wierdo but ladies they care about are and that should be your approach. They know even if they are polite enough not say it that men are more dangerous and transwomen are men. Give them heads up that they might need step in help out if the tranny starts to make someone uncomfortable. They might dismiss syill you in the moment but as long as you don't come across hysterical or a complete bitch, they are very likely to keep eye out for him acting out witch very well can turn into action.

 

[Punitive Castration]

That'll always be the problem with the male side of the trans issue. Men aren't as threatened by these freaks because they are on the same playing field as them. It's still a man dealing with the bullshit of another man. You probably noticed it yourself, but notice how male-to-female troons never want to mingle with other normal men. It's almost like they're perfectly aware of how women take more pleasure/our brains reward us more when we mingle in social settings compared to most men. Troons actively try to uproot anything positive or normal in social settings, because how dare they not be the center of attention in the ways they always want.

It's definitely true. Probably one of the cringiest things I had to do was when he came and sat down with myself and another woman while we were talking. We couldn't have done more to display "this is a private conversation" barring huddling with our arms locked but he came up anyway, and I wasn't about to break the silent treatment to invite him in out of social obligation just because he sat down. So I refused to turn in his direction, and I abruptly changed topics to talk about someone he didn't know so he wouldn't be able to participate and then kept on that topic until he fucked off.

I felt awkward, of course, and it was embarrassing for me, but short of turning to him and shouting "NO" it was about all I could really do. I think by now he wouldn't ever try that again, that was still when he was testing my boundaries.

Male bystanders of course have no awareness of this, subconsciously I think they would have looked at the two of us and thought "those girls are having a private conversation" and not butted in but I wouldn't expect them to reflect on what it means for a man to shove himself into that.

How did you speak to the guys? Most guys don't like being ordered around or told be scared but do respond fairly well for neutral heads ups. Guys aren't in danger from this wierdo but ladies they care about are and that should be your approach. They know even if they are polite enough not say it that men are more dangerous and transwomen are men. Give them heads up that they might need step in help out if the tranny starts to make someone uncomfortable. They might dismiss syill you in the moment but as long as you don't come across hysterical or a complete bitch, they are very likely to keep eye out for him acting out witch very well can turn into action.

I'm a little sleazy so I only ever do these things one-on-one. I usually waited until they brought him up:
"Tamitha (random name) said she's coming tonight."
"Who? George (random name) He's coming?"
"I think they go by Tamitha now."
"Well it's just you and I here, right? And he's been acting so strangely since the divorce, I don't think we should encourage this..."
"I just think we should be nice."
Usually that would be the point where the women would go "Yeah, I don't think we should encourage this" but instead I get the weirdly defensive response from guys.

That's a good idea, though, to call on them to step in if necessary. He had a major, major meltdown and shouted at someone last time I saw him, I think if I focus on that it'll be enough to position them correctly even if they refuse to say they're breaking from the TRA formation.