Horrorcow Lucas Werner - A man of Spokane, Washington who is obsessed with millennial and Gen Z chicks

[IceQueen]

Isn't Mallon Place supposed to be monitoring his diet? If they are, how is he getting to eat all of this?

If a loved one of mine was in this place, and supposedly having their diet monitored, and I found out they were getting outside food brought in, I would have some severe words for the staff.

I mean, he’s not in prison, nor is he forcibly in the hospital or a mental institution. They might have a specific meal plan that THEY feed him, but this type of place/arrangement doesn’t have control over what people do with their fun money, what is sent to them (as long as it’s legal), or what they do when they go out and about. It’s an assisted living home, not a hospital or a psych ward.

 

[GleamingTheQ-Bert]

I think Lucas is already at 400 lbs.

Definitely.

Lucas said his Halloween shirt waaaay back during the Outcast Owls vid in the park was XL, and now XXXXL is tight

(Yes, he said 4 XL)

 

[cheesycukes]

Who would he be talking to on the phone?
His mother perhaps?

 

[IceQueen]

It started:

I absolutely LOVE that he thinks “I was a tight XL at the end of October and now at the very beginning of April I’m a ‘loose’ 4X” isn’t just an absolutely horrifying thing to admit.

 

[WonderWino]

The puking starts at about 29:40

 

[mothman96]

Well, I'm going to give the Owls credit for showing a full view of the fatter Creep. From the top of his filthy head down to his shoes, all the way around and his huge bulging gut.

 

[WonderWino]

That greasy unkept rat tail reminds me of a horses tail that hasn't been properly brushed. I half expected him to swing his head around to get it flapping like a horses tail to keep the flies off of him

 

[Agoraphobic Bullshit]

Who would he be talking to on the phone?
His mother perhaps?

I think he talks AT his phone with nobody in particular most likely.

 

[Club Sandwich]

i'm completely confused by this walk tho, it's like he's walking with imaginary cuffs

Several years back a Spokane kiwi that has seen Lucas walking around said he walks with his hands behind his back like that.

to be completely fair, Lucas himself has mentioned that he likes to walk with his hands behind his back because he feels it makes him look contemplative or something.

Isn't Mallon Place supposed to be monitoring his diet? If they are, how is he getting to eat all of this?

I mean, he’s not in prison, nor is he forcibly in the hospital or a mental institution. They might have a specific meal plan that THEY feed him, but this type of place/arrangement doesn’t have control over what people do with their fun money, what is sent to them (as long as it’s legal), or what they do when they go out and about.

this, basically. having worked the HHS desk for several years while still working in law enforcement, the nursing home is required to provide and maintain a meal plan approved to meet the needs of their population (whatever that might be, elderly, custodial, children, et c) however they are not expected to police their residents 24/7 outside of custodial care, and even then, it's usually not the nursing home doing it, but law enforcement telling the person to comply with a court order to comply with their medically coordinated diet plan. i've had plenty of issues with prisoners and psychiatric patients that are prescribed a specific meal plan due to allergies, medical issues (gluten sensitivity so bad one guy could literally choke to death) and other things. because when they are in custody or remanded to state oversight, the state has a duty to keep them alive and well, even if they don't agree with it. this is the same ruling that allows law enforcement to force feed and forcibly bath inmates or force them to take prescription medicine, et c.

however in a nursing home environment where Lucas is placed, he is not in custody. there is not (to my knowledge) any court order requiring him to be there and/or undergo treatment. his case worker is a social services employee that controls his money because he lacks the ability to do so, but that does not remove his autonomy in choosing his meals, diabetes incoming or not or doctor's advice or not. Lucas can (and probably will) eat himself to death and Mallon place will get an investigation that will likely rule them not culpable because Lucas is not a ward of the state and can decide his own affairs other than for finances.

to put it simply, if Lucas was in court-ordered custody (hospital ward, prison, some halfway homes, assigned a case worker through HHS or WA-equivalent agency which has the power of law to enforce a court-order), then that hospital has a duty to intervene with the court providing the legal framework under which that sort of intervention can proceed. Mallon place is not that sort of place other than the very narrow circumstance that an individual there might meet some criteria for it (example: an eldery veteran under VA supervision and Mallon happens to be the custodial facility providing care).

 

[WonderWino]

to be completely fair, Lucas himself has mentioned that he likes to walk with his hands behind his back because he feels it makes him look contemplative or something.

Could be the case, though if it is its still a really weird thing to do and doesn't reflect well on how people view him in public i'm sure. That said, lucas lies constantly about anything he thinks makes him look bad so its just as likely he's just saying that to cover up weird behavior or some kind of weird compulsion to do it

Regardless its eerie how much it makes him look like he's been arrested and handcuffed and is doing a perp walk. I wonder if anybody wonders if some plainclothes cops arrested him for something when they see him with people like that in public

 

[Vi0l3t]

The puking starts at about 29:40

Now that hes not homeless and forced to walk hes blown up. Hell continue to blow up.

 

[WonderWino]

Now that hes not homeless and forced to walk hes blown up. Hell continue to blow up.

If he somehow manages to stick it out there I can see him going full bart in a year or so

That said, did anyone notice how close to a park mallon place is? one of the interviewers pointed it out and said something like 'are you not supposed to be that close to a park cause of the starbucks incident with the 16 year old' and most of what he was implying there seemed to go over lucas's head and he just got pissy claiming she wasn't 16 yet again. Which brings up another point - if lucas ever gets busted doing creepy shit with little girls again he's fucked if he gets on any lists. He won't be able to live anywhere near parks, playgrounds or schools. Hell he wouldn't have been able to get a room at mallon place at all if he had been busted over the burrito or LA incidents cause of how close that park is. Also makes me wonder how often lucas waddles down there to totally not oogle the little girls and high school age girls

 

[cheesycukes]

Lucas seems much more child-like now. At the beginning of the stream, when the guy with the sunglasses was getting something out of his car, Lucas stood there and waited like a child.
Also at the same time, you see his interaction with the other guy who he doesn't seem to know, so he will not speak to him.

Lucas reminds me of Rowley Jefferson of Diary of a Wimpy Kid. Very naive and immature, just slow all around.
Example, the main character and Rowley are about to start middle school, mother says something about best friend Rowley and older brother says "I thought you were babysitting him, isn't he in kindergarten?"

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Isn't Mallon Place supposed to be monitoring his diet? If they are, how is he getting to eat all of this?

If a loved one of mine was in this place, and supposedly having their diet monitored, and I found out they were getting outside food brought in, I would have some severe words for the staff.

Nursing homes are by law supposed to have an approved diet for the general population and for specific conditions like kidney issues and diabetes and they're supposed to ensure residents keep to those diets. They can get in serious trouble with the state licensing board for failing to do so and have liability if anything happens to the person as a result. As has been stated several times before, mallon place is a shit tier facility and has gotten into trouble in the past for not doing what they're supposed to. If lucas loses his feet over it he could go after them for it. Not that he will because he's incompetent and too stupid to know how but they're still liable. That said, as you said if I found out something like that was going on with a family member and they weren't doing their job it wouldn't be me having words with the staff it would be a lawyer. Not that I give a shit about what happens to lucas, but if they're not ensuring he's eating the way he's supposed to be it stands to reason that they're not taking proper care of the other residents either, and thats a perception they don't seem to care about as much as they should. a complaint against them for their odd handling of lucas's diet could easily open a can of worms in terms of other things they're fucking up on, so you'd think they'd be more concerned, if only out of fear of liability and getting fired

I know some people have addressed this idea but there is no reason to think Lucas has been declared "legally incapacitated" so he enjoys a lot of rights even if he's living in assisted living. He's not on lockdown like you might find in a memory ward where they have to worry about someone's grandma walking into traffic because she thinks it's 1935 and time for the afternoon show. Dietary restrictions are part medical treatment and he can refuse to abide by them just like he can refuse medication. They're not gonna slap a big mac out of his hands.

Their only option at that point would be to throw him out- which, I imagine, would be seen as a worse scenario, health-wise.

I don't know why a number of people seem to think that a facility is legally liable for the actions of a (legally competent) grown man who is determined to ignore all medical advice and eat himself into an early grave. This goes in the chart: "Patient was counseled on proper diet habits and urged to avoid food not included in dietary plan. Patient remains non-compliant." Lawyers are happy. Lucas gets to eat himself into an amputation. This shit happens all the time and it's not just because the place he's in doesn't care (although they don't).

 

[WonderWino]

I know some people have addressed this idea but there is no reason to think Lucas has been declared "legally incapacitated"

Nobody is saying he has been as far as i'm aware

so he enjoys a lot of rights even if he's living in assisted living

You give up plenty of rights when you move into a nursing home. Your rights boil down to comply or leave

Dietary restrictions are part medical treatment

Dietary restrictions are mandated by law. They are required by law to have them developed by a licensed dietician and assign them to residents as required by their particular needs. Residents are required to adhere to this as a condition of becoming and remaining a resident and the law requires the nursing home to enforce this, its literally part of them being licensed to operate a nursing home. I'll say it again, they have a duty of care to those residents. If they fail to enforce it they're guilty of negligence and are responsible for any injuries that result from it. They can't just say 'ok go ahead and stuff yourself full of sugar if you want' until he goes into diabetic convulsions on the common room floor. If he wants to do something that'll put him in that kind of a situation he has to leave, either voluntarily or by getting kicked out for non compliance. As for meds, again, duty of care. As long as he remains there its not optional. The moment he says he's refusing them its the nursing homes responsibility to send him to the hospital immediately, as its a safety issue for everyone involved. They are liable for anything that happens if they don't. That can lead to serious issues for the resident and in the case of people like lucas who are batshit mental without their meds, can lead to all kinds of unpredictable right up to potentially violent behavior against themselves, staff and other residents. no nursing home can allow that, they'd be liable if anybody got injured, whether staff or resident. They can't have a resident going cold turkey on psych meds going batshit and attacking someone or harming themselves. Lucas for example is huge. If he ever went unhinged and got violent he could do serious damage to someone. You'd be lucky if you had enough people to hold him down to sedate

They're not gonna slap a big mac out of his hands.

a big mac? not in his case, but if his blood sugar gets high enough they'll absolutely take anything he could harm himself with away. for example, if he reverted back to eating really weird shit and did something nuts like, say, coming in with a bag of sugar and trying to eat it with a spoon or whatever, that could kill him and they have an obligation to intervene per their duty of care, to keep him from putting himself in the ER. To say nothing of the fact those aren't the actions of a sound mind making a rational decision, which in itself gives the staff the right to override any decision in the name of resident safety until a mental health evaluation can be arranged to determine competency. That said I once had to take a roast beef sandwich away from an end stage renal failure resident because she was on a strict diet when it came to protein (grabbed it off the dinner cart when staff weren't looking). she was neither pleased nor willing. I ended up bitten, scratched and bleeding over that one

I don't know why a number of people seem to think that a facility is legally liable for the actions of a (legally competent) grown man who is determined to ignore all medical advice and eat himself into an early grave.

There is no 'seems to think' about it. They are liable for such things. In fact they are explicitly liable for it per licensing regulations and their duty of care mandate. As well as part of the agreement made when someone becomes a resident. They are not a hospital, they are a nursing home. If a resident wants to refuse they have to leave, one way or another. The entire point of a nursing home is to provide care and keep people from being a danger to themselves or others

Nobody is saying he can't refuse meds or eat himself to death. What he can't do is do it so long as he is a resident of mallon place, or any other nursing home for that matter. He can't refuse and stay there, its a requirement of being there and one they have to enforce

This goes in the chart: "Patient was counseled on proper diet habits and urged to avoid food not included in dietary plan. Patient remains non-compliant." Lawyers are happy. Lucas gets to eat himself into an amputation. This shit happens all the time and it's not just because the place he's in doesn't care (although they don't).

Not at a nursing home it doesn't. Duty of care. That kind of thing only flies at actual hospitals and requires actual doctors to sign off on and usually an evaluation, and even then isn't going to cover your ass if the person loses a limb and sues, or dies and the family sues, claiming they should have stopped him cause he's a sped who they can't prove knew better and why he was in that situation to begin with. Especially with someone like lucas, who is stupider than a bag of rocks and has a long history proving it, publicly and medically. He would have no issue playing the sped card and claiming he isn't of sound enough mind to have been allowed to do such a thing. It fits with his history of abusing the mental health system by playing crazy to get a roof over his head. Everybody knows how greedy he is to get money

 

[ThomasAudley]

I see how Australia went full dictatorship over Covid if this is how they think.

The other posts with direct experience are correct. Barring a court order, Lucas is a free man. Mallon Place isn’t there to babysit his meals.

 

[Garfieldchu]

So Lucas has been neglecting his feet and walking because of boredom and weight gain from not getting exercise. Yet despite this insistence on walking, he's put on nearly a hundred pounds in six months. Not sure when it starts, but by this time next year, he will be in a wheelchair.

 

[Da Dude123]

So Lucas has been neglecting his feet and walking because of boredom and weight gain from not getting exercise. Yet despite this insistence on walking, he's put on nearly a hundred pounds in six months. Not sure when it starts, but by this time next year, he will be in a wheelchair.

He will still keep begging for Doordash, Grubhub, and Postmates to be delivered to him at the nursing home. I do think whoever does this is doing it to laugh at the cow getting fatter. And while I would never spend my hard earned money on a cow, seeing him get fatter while still moooing about how he deserves a fit young girlfriend is pretty spectacular. God that bald spot is really bad. Such a homely, obese man.

 

[mothman96]

The Owls posted video of the Creep puking:

 

[Stafford Beer Bong]

I suffered through that entire owls video. (Well I did fast forward through some.)

Only thing I took away from it is Lucas is a dying man and in the back recesses of his mind, he knows it. He tried so hard to put on the cool act at first and pop a beer and smoke weed with the boys which led directly to him puking and saying basically that he isn’t the guy he’s been pretending to be all these years anymore.

I know these owl guys at minimum provided some content for us, but damn... Lucas is in seriously bad health. He was struggling to keep pace, walking while panting and wheezing, falling behind every half block etc. About 5 minutes after seeing him puke I would’ve walked him back and bid farewell.

As an aside, I can’t imagine Lucas walking back into Mallon smelling like beer and weed was all that good of an idea.