✨ Celebrity Madonna - elderly woman mired in existential crisis.

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Angry New Ager said:
Maintaining extremely low body fat is never a good thing for women, especially as they age. I've seen enough perennially-skeletal old socialites with pulled-tight faces, and hands that look just like Madonna's (not to mention the crepey, sun-damaged bosom). I've always thought they'd look a hundred times better if they'd let themselves gain 20 lbs., but the level of habitual delusion that lets a woman get that way is impenetrable.

So I've always assumed Madge's hands looked so bad for that very reason. I've done construction work, landscaping, and worked in restaurant kitchens, so my own hands are pretty beat up, and I'm only a few years younger than her so age is doing its thing. But I've also got a normal body fat %, so they've never looked like Madonna's claws.
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Yes!
Sarah Jessica Parker is another one, who if she gained 20 pounds, would look SO much better. Softer, not as harsh.
 
Freesia said:
I've been lifting weights for years and my hands don't look like that. I know several guys into their 50's that have been lifting for over 30 years and their hands look fine too.
Arnie is in his 70's and this is how his hands look like:
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So I doubt lifting or exercising is what caused it. And yes I know women's skin is thinner than men's, but not to the point where their hands look like a burn victim's if they lift weights for a while. She either has a condition or she had some sort of accident.
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It’s not an issue with men. It’s a thing with women but only once they are past 35 or 40. Most women in their 20’s won’t have any issues, but it happens once skin elasticity starts to decline. If Madonna hadn’t gone hardcore on the body training in her 40’s her hands would not have been so sinewy and veiny. Women body builders, unlike men, actually want to minimize the appearance of veins so you see a lot of discussion of the issue.

I just recall seeing grotesque photos of Madonna’s hands popping up in tabs in the early 00’s but can’t find images of it.But by 2008 the tabs were online and you can see photos of her hands in her late forties


Vingle said:
I'm sure there are something they can do, but people into beauty in general. Has a tendency to forget there's skin other places than the face.
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Apparently they do. Madonna got her “hands done” in 2016 according to the tabloids


Madonna should just put on some thin flesh toned latex colored gloves to match the rest of her body’s weird plastic aesthetic. Sounds less risky than getting cosmetic procedures on the hands.

The Ugly One said:
Helen Mirren is 76 years old, and there is no way that face is a natural 76. They all have work done. The ones who appear to be letting nature take its course use plastic surgery to look like the best possible version of their current age, as opposed to the ones who think they can stay 25 forever. Even if they somehow manage to not have facelifts, they all have a daily skincare regimen that would bankrupt normal women, because looking good is literally their job.
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Expensive skin care regimens don’t do magic as Madonna can attest. I’ve noticed most of the older women who ppl rave about looking good are from less sunny countries or places pale skin was appreciated. Simply using SPF and avoiding the sun will do far more good than all the $90 an oz magic serums and creams twice a day for years. In fact most of the expensive serums pretty say they won’t do Jack shit if you get sun exposure - which basically means most of the benefit is just from avoiding sun/using SPF cream. However if you just paid $400 for a cream that says you must avoid the sun for this to work you are now very invested in doing just that.

Almost every older woman I can think of with good skin just minimized sun exposure.

I always thought black women had great skin into old age because the melanin helped protect them - and it does - but they also avoid sun exposure. When I went to the beach with black friends they pulled out way more sun protection - the SPF, hats and umbrellas - than I’d ever used. Apparently part of this is because the sun makes their skin darker and the brown paper bag shit. But it pays dividends later.
 
MirnaMinkoff said:
Makes me wonder if old Madge is having cash flow problems. Her well oiled PR machine has been long gone. She’s still touring, which is usually what musicians do to keep solvent.

Obviously Madge is far from dead broke but she seemed to randomly move a lot the last ten years, renting expensive properties. This on top of whatever properties she owns and has to maintain in expensive zip codes. She randomly adopted a bunch of black kids. Eh, she strikes me as the type to plead poverty because her lifestyle costs so much to maintain.

Madonna has been pretty stupid with who she lets into her life and handle stuff. I mean her Malawi charity collapsed because she appointed her trainer’s boyfriend to run it. LMAO. Madonna seems like the type who would get rid of anyone who didn’t tell her what she wants to hear. Surrounding yourself with yes men is always a sure fire path to doom. When she was printing money twenty years ago, no big deal, but now as a “vintage pop star” with dwindling appeal and ability to generate money it’s a much bigger threat.
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Besides losing MTV as her chief promotional device, Madonna is under an unofficial blackballing from Clear Channel (or whatever they are called these days) due to her doing an anti-war song during the Iraq War in the 00s.

Touring is now Madonna's chief mode of making money, as without MTV to prop her up plus Lady Gaga fully taking the crown from her, Madonna has seen each album post-Confessions on the Dance Floor sell less and less and less. And that she toured with a broken hip, until the pain became too much and she couldn't do it anymore.

As for money; she got fucked HARD in a divorce settlement as she never got a pre-nup when she married Guy Ritchie and Ritchie's lawyer took her to the cleaners and then some in the divorce (which Madonna bitterly complained about in one of her more recent songs). Especially since Madonna's kids explicitly told the court "we want to live with dad!" and Ritchie stabbing them in the back by demanding Madonna front him a couple extra millions on top of what Madonna was already being made to pay him, to cede custody of the kids to her.

Finally, adopting African babies is super expensive as they are all grey market adoptions where celebrities are basically buying African kids. Made worse by the fact that one of the first kids she adopted turned out to have parents that were still alive and they only put him in an orphanage "temporarily" (as this apparently a thing where parents who are obscenely poor disown their kids by dumping them at an orphanage and only coming back to get them when they have enough cash to actually raise them). She had to pay out the ass to buy off the kid's father and several media outlets to bury the story after it came out, because of the bad PR (complete with a Law and Order episode being written about the incident).
 
MirrorNoir said:
Besides losing MTV as her chief promotional device, Madonna is under an unofficial blackballing from Clear Channel (or whatever they are called these days) due to her doing an anti-war song during the Iraq War in the 00s.

Touring is now Madonna's chief mode of making money, as without MTV to prop her up plus Lady Gaga fully taking the crown from her, Madonna has seen each album post-Confessions on the Dance Floor sell less and less and less. And that she toured with a broken hip, until the pain became too much and she couldn't do it anymore.

As for money; she got fucked HARD in a divorce settlement as she never got a pre-nup when she married Guy Ritchie and Ritchie's lawyer took her to the cleaners and then some in the divorce (which Madonna bitterly complained about in one of her more recent songs). Especially since Madonna's kids explicitly told the court "we want to live with dad!" and Ritchie stabbing them in the back by demanding Madonna front him a couple extra millions on top of what Madonna was already being made to pay him, to cede custody of the kids to her.

Finally, adopting African babies is super expensive as they are all grey market adoptions where celebrities are basically buying African kids. Made worse by the fact that one of the first kids she adopted turned out to have parents that were still alive and they only put him in an orphanage "temporarily" (as this apparently a thing where parents who are obscenely poor disown their kids by dumping them at an orphanage and only coming back to get them when they have enough cash to actually raise them). She had to pay out the ass to buy off the kid's father and several media outlets to bury the story after it came out, because of the bad PR (complete with a Law and Order episode being written about the incident).
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I remember Ritchie having to pay Madonna for the rights to use one of her songs in a movie, and this was after they were married.
 
MirrorNoir said:
Madonna is under an unofficial blackballing from Clear Channel (or whatever they are called these days) due to her doing an anti-war song
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They trashed the ClearChannel name with corporate bullshittery. They bought a small startup named IHeartRadio and adopted their brand since it sounds lovable.
 
MirrorNoir said:
Besides losing MTV as her chief promotional device, Madonna is under an unofficial blackballing from Clear Channel (or whatever they are called these days) due to her doing an anti-war song during the Iraq War in the 00s.

Touring is now Madonna's chief mode of making money, as without MTV to prop her up plus Lady Gaga fully taking the crown from her, Madonna has seen each album post-Confessions on the Dance Floor sell less and less and less. And that she toured with a broken hip, until the pain became too much and she couldn't do it anymore.

As for money; she got fucked HARD in a divorce settlement as she never got a pre-nup when she married Guy Ritchie and Ritchie's lawyer took her to the cleaners and then some in the divorce (which Madonna bitterly complained about in one of her more recent songs). Especially since Madonna's kids explicitly told the court "we want to live with dad!" and Ritchie stabbing them in the back by demanding Madonna front him a couple extra millions on top of what Madonna was already being made to pay him, to cede custody of the kids to her.

Finally, adopting African babies is super expensive as they are all grey market adoptions where celebrities are basically buying African kids. Made worse by the fact that one of the first kids she adopted turned out to have parents that were still alive and they only put him in an orphanage "temporarily" (as this apparently a thing where parents who are obscenely poor disown their kids by dumping them at an orphanage and only coming back to get them when they have enough cash to actually raise them). She had to pay out the ass to buy off the kid's father and several media outlets to bury the story after it came out, because of the bad PR (complete with a Law and Order episode being written about the incident).
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Madge's one of those weird do-as-I-say, not-as-I-do parents. Back in '05, at least, she didn't let her kids watch any television at all. Not that terrible but still pretty odd. I could see why her children wanted to go chill with dad, they must've been bored out of their wits when they tired of anything else to do.

That orphanage story is fucking crazy though. I guess actual adoptions in Malawi are rare enough for the place to be seen as a valid alternative to a daycare. The dude rode miles back and forth on a damn bike to be able to still see his son. She did the same thing with her daughter Mercy. All her biological family wanted was to keep in contact with her after the adoption and Madge wouldn't even allow them that. She's even brought her back to Malawi but never even bothered to get in contact with the family.

All of the articles about this paint Madge in a sympathetic light for some reason. I'm sure they've had a better overall quality of life than they would if they'd stayed in Malawi, but David's father was making a real effort to afford his son back, and Mercy's family wasn't asking for much but to see her every once in a while. She's basically a baby snatcher in my book.
 
Lourdes / Lola actually turns my stomach. Not because she's gross (although I do find her very homely at best), but because she is just a random, average, run-of-the-mill rich heiresses who does nothing and whose title in life might generously be "lazy dilettante." With all of Madonna's bluster and undeniable work ethic and insistence on talking about how much she reads and her alleged high IQ and the no television rule (although Chris Ciccone mentioned that she and Guy Ritchie had multiple TV sets in their house, so...), you'd think she would have insisted that her much-desired first kid would have been the Golden Child, with a lot of expectations heaped upon her. Strict with the cash handouts, a stern push for Lola to get a job, no actual inheritance until a university degree, charity work, something.

Instead, we have a completely underwhelming instathot with trashy personal style, bad taste (like mum, like daughter, I guess!), appalling forays into modelling that she is utterly unsuited for, foot-long acrylic nails, and absolutely nothing to show for all of her name recognition and wealth. Even that hopeless Beckham kid is attempting a veneer of being legitimate and productive--photography and cooking, despite being useless at all of it--yet Lola is more than happy to be a fuggo good-for-nothing.

So then, how was it growing up with Madonna? The adopted kids seem a lot more fun and active and creative, especially with dance and music...but the bio ones? I guess Rocco is having fun with fashion and painting, whatever, but Lola is a total zero of a human being. Isn't Madonna in the least bit embarrassed that this is how her firstborn turned out? Wha' happened?!
 
A borscht-on said:
Lourdes / Lola actually turns my stomach. Not because she's gross (although I do find her very homely at best), but because she is just a random, average, run-of-the-mill rich heiresses who does nothing and whose title in life might generously be "lazy dilettante." With all of Madonna's bluster and undeniable work ethic and insistence on talking about how much she reads and her alleged high IQ and the no television rule (although Chris Ciccone mentioned that she and Guy Ritchie had multiple TV sets in their house, so...), you'd think she would have insisted that her much-desired first kid would have been the Golden Child, with a lot of expectations heaped upon her. Strict with the cash handouts, a stern push for Lola to get a job, no actual inheritance until a university degree, charity work, something.

Instead, we have a completely underwhelming instathot with trashy personal style, bad taste (like mum, like daughter, I guess!), appalling forays into modelling that she is utterly unsuited for, foot-long acrylic nails, and absolutely nothing to show for all of her name recognition and wealth. Even that hopeless Beckham kid is attempting a veneer of being legitimate and productive--photography and cooking, despite being useless at all of it--yet Lola is more than happy to be a fuggo good-for-nothing.

So then, how was it growing up with Madonna? The adopted kids seem a lot more fun and active and creative, especially with dance and music...but the bio ones? I guess Rocco is having fun with fashion and painting, whatever, but Lola is a total zero of a human being. Isn't Madonna in the least bit embarrassed that this is how her firstborn turned out? Wha' happened?!
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I wouldn't put it past Madonna to put a lot of pressure on her adopted African children to do something with their lives just so she has bragging rights. As for Rocco, he spent as much time as he could with his dad growing up because his mom's a whacko. I have no idea what happened with Lourdes but it sure does look as if she's really lacking a personality or ambitions of her own besides "Instagram Thot", something that thousands of other zoomers are doing. Some are actually doing "good" at it, too. I, personally, don't think she's appalling looks-wise. She's got a very interesting face and even her brows could be shaped in interesting ways if she wanted to go with mellowed-out, artsy look. It's just that whenever you see her she's done up in clown makeup with an entire jar of brow gel.

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Lourdes who considers herself to be an "activist" left University of Michigan because she saw a MAGA hat. Never mind that Ann Arbor is one of the most liberal cities in the country. She's the kind of activist who instead of trying to change minds, she just likes talking to people who think exactly like her.

(In reality she probably couldn't make the grades at U of M.)
 
filibustarhymes said:
Lourdes who considers herself to be an "activist" left University of Michigan because she saw a MAGA hat. Never mind that Ann Arbor is one of the most liberal cities in the country. She's the kind of activist who instead of trying to change minds, she just likes talking to people who think exactly like her.

(In reality she probably couldn't make the grades at U of M.)
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Yeah that MAGA excuse just sounds like she was looking for a reason to give up on an education. Everybody's an "activist" these days.

EDIT: Found an interview to highlight just how empty-headed and aimless Lourdes is. How can you say this shit in an interview and not be embarrassed?

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I have read on a few sites that Lourdes just expected to get good grades at U-M because of who she was. She rarely showed up for class, thought she was better at dance/drama that she actually was, and so on. It was just too much for her to actually do the work, there was nothing about MAGA hats or anything else of that sort.
 
I know that this is kinda off topic but there's a Peter Kreeft quote about Madonna I really wanna say. Basically Peter Kreeft is a Catholic philosopher and in this speech he pretends to be the forces of the demonic and tells a lower demon how to win the culture war. Very confusing but he is basically trying to show Catholics what not to do. Anyway he says:

"We must help them [feminists] replace the Madonna [Mary the Mother of God] with Madonna as what their image of what a woman is. See that little word 'the' separates a saint from a slut."
 
celebrityskin said:
This headline is absolutely brutal.

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No, they genuinely mean this as a good thing. People (who are deluded/being too nice) say she's doing it intentionally, that she wants to look otherworldly or some shit to remake her image for her career again and the alien look is a legitimate style like they won't accept it's just botched surgery. I bet her handlers tell her 'oh alien isn't an insult!' to make her feel better.
 
I love when aging female celebs ruin themselves, and then ruin themselves even further.
 
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