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Scifi, Murder Mysteries, or Cannonball Run (and probably more than knock off harry potter or movie noir with demons or knock off godzilla or knock off stranger things although those are at least defensible )
Only because all of these things were done with exactly zero fucking effort.

At least WOTC pretends to give a shit about Universes Beyond sets.
 
Only because all of these things were done with exactly zero fucking effort.

At least WOTC pretends to give a shit about Universes Beyond sets.
Exactly. You only have to look at say.... OG Innistrad to see how things could have been when they "do [trope] thing with a MTG twist."

Murder mystery? Not.... an innately bad idea. But it's more like a large side dish than a main course. It should have been like the revisit to New Capenna and been more about the rise of angels and law on the plane or something.

Space Opera could really been good in an MTG flavor. But you've got to lean more into some of the more fantastical elements of it.

These guys get it.
(They should have just asked Gloryhammer to do the worldbuilding and story of EoE.)

Hey Honka, do a bot a favor and drop some knowledge on what was EoE's story, please?
 
Space Opera could really been good in an MTG flavor. But you've got to lean more into some of the more fantastical elements of it.
I think the fundamental fuck up of the setting/theme is that it's not one place. A good M:tG setting puts you in a place and tells you the bones of the setting's history through lore blurbs on commons and has just enough story told through the cards to give you the illusion that it was well thought out. Instead EoE has random scifi tropes slung together where Flash Gordon rejects and Fischer Price Mass Effect soldiers duke it out with H. R. Geiger space monsters and Illithids in a wide variety of places that are unrelated to each other.

I think you could make a cool Sci Fi setting in MtG but it has to be in one place. Like left behind tribes of technomancers and escaped experiments on a slowly failing ring world, or a star system in not-Warhammer that has been cut off from the rest of the galaxy by a not-warp storm for 500 years. I think the cards are a lot better in EoE but in a lot of ways it left me even more underwhelmed than Thunder Junction or Aetherdrift because while they were also kitchen sink settings at least they had member-berries from other MtG sets and not completely unrelated properties.
 
I think the fundamental fuck up of the setting/theme is that it's not one place. A good M:tG setting puts you in a place and tells you the bones of the setting's history through lore blurbs on commons and has just enough story told through the cards to give you the illusion that it was well thought out. Instead EoE has random scifi tropes slung together where Flash Gordon rejects and Fischer Price Mass Effect soldiers duke it out with H. R. Geiger space monsters and Illithids in a wide variety of places that are unrelated to each other.

I think you could make a cool Sci Fi setting in MtG but it has to be in one place. Like left behind tribes of technomancers and escaped experiments on a slowly failing ring world, or a star system in not-Warhammer that has been cut off from the rest of the galaxy by a not-warp storm for 500 years. I think the cards are a lot better in EoE but in a lot of ways it left me even more underwhelmed than Thunder Junction or Aetherdrift because while they were also kitchen sink settings at least they had member-berries from other MtG sets and not completely unrelated properties.
If only there was some kind of structure Wizards could use with multiple sets that focused on a single setting within the multiverse while exploring the different characters, stories, and mechanics that could emerge from such a place in detail. Like a few sets neatly grouped together. A... block, you might say.
 
If only there was some kind of structure Wizards could use with multiple sets that focused on a single setting within the multiverse while exploring the different characters, stories, and mechanics that could emerge from such a place in detail. Like a few sets neatly grouped together. A... block, you might say.
They got super fucking salty about one of the sets in a block selling like shit. Why do you think they dropped core sets?
 
Exactly. You only have to look at say.... OG Innistrad to see how things could have been when they "do [trope] thing with a MTG twist."
I have legitimately come to hate OG Innistrad as a set and the entire plane.

If the plane is such a fucked up insane place that Sorin has to make Avacyn so Humans don't go extinct because the Vampires are so fucking retarded that they are going to eliminate their food source (why do the Sengir not have this problem despite effectively ruling their plane?) then maybe Humanity should go extinct there because it's actively hostile to Humans.
 
I'm well aware, but their abandonment seems to have pretty inarguably had a negative effect on the quality of the game's worldbuilding, narrative, and exploration of mechanics.
MaRo has talked in part and in depth on the rise and falls of blocks.

One of the things he always brings up is that they would get "bored" of the world by the 3rd set. And then they were getting like that with the second set.

That both Ravnica and Innistrad had 2 "post block" sets which still pretty much fell into the 2 set block model amuses me.

I have legitimately come to hate OG Innistrad as a set and the entire plane.

If the plane is such a fucked up insane place that Sorin has to make Avacyn so Humans don't go extinct because the Vampires are so fucking retarded that they are going to eliminate their food source (why do the Sengir not have this problem despite effectively ruling their plane?) then maybe Humanity should go extinct there because it's actively hostile to Humans.
Well the issue with Innistrad is that it's not just the vampires, but everybody else. I don't recall the details of Ulgrotha (or wherever Sengir is from) but I don't remember there being quite the same issue of monsters preying on humans. So yeah, they're able to kind of keep control. On Innistrad, it's not just the vampires but werewolves and zombies and ghosts and demons and devils....

Though there's always a question of can vampires eat werewolves (for an example) and I assume at least part of the problem is werewolves fight back enough vampires would much rather eat something comparatively easier.

Heck I don't remember if the details were ever explained, but it strikes me that Grandpa Markov may have tried his mad scheme to become a vampire as a self defense to all the other shit trying to eat people. (Maybe the same with Delver of Secrets.) If humanity keeps turning itself into monsters to fight the monsters, that's also going to affect the food supply. Sorin then would be right to have created Avacyn to give humanity a way to fight back and remain human.
 
Grandpa Markov may have tried his mad scheme to become a vampire as a self defense to all the other shit trying to eat people
IIRC Edgar was trying to cure some disease that Sorin had and whatever the Serum was had the effect of turning Sorin into a Vampire (and igniting Sorin's spark) so Edgar decided "Fuck it I am gonna drink it too"
 
That both Ravnica and Innistrad had 2 "post block" sets which still pretty much fell into the 2 set block model amuses me.
I imagine they kept retrying it even after blocks were officially abolished because they were trying to see if they could adjust the figurative knobs and hit whatever goal or metric they wanted. With UB this is probably a dead dream because the constant stream of "I KNOW WHAT THAT IS" would disrupt the story.

the Vampires are so fucking retarded that they are going to eliminate their food source
Within the original Innistrad block at least one of the big four families had already realized that mindlessly culling humans was a bad long-term strategy. This idea is revisited in Midnight Hunt with one of Olivia's nephews offering patronage to villages of humans in exchange for nonlethal doses of blood. The former was forgotten by the time of Shadows Over Innistrad, the latter didn't get any development because Wizards no longer tells stories.

Heck I don't remember if the details were ever explained, but it strikes me that Grandpa Markov may have tried his mad scheme to become a vampire as a self defense to all the other shit trying to eat people.
It was to survive a famine ravaging Stensia. A high-ranking demon had corrupted the fields, then came to Edgar Markov with a solution to the problem he'd created.
 
Magic Squidward did a pretty good video covering how WotC are shitty kikes and running Magic into the ground with UBslop


Although I think some of his math is very optimistic with the Handjob to Final Fantasy Collector Box conversion rate.
 
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Magic Squidward did a pretty good video covering how WotC are shitty kikes and running Magic into the ground with UBslop

Although I think he some of his math is very optimistic the Handjob to Final Fantasy Collector Box conversion rate.
I can’t believe that this is the least deranged magic aids has sounded in years.
 
Magic Squidward did a pretty good video covering how WotC are shitty kikes and running Magic into the ground with UBslop

https://youtube.com/watch?v=20Rgw9_Ub1g
Although I think he some of his math is very optimistic with the Handjob to Final Fantasy Collector Box conversion rate.
Here's my question to the destruction of Magic with UB. If your options are a tight game dominated by whiney troons or making slop to please the masses who don't even know you exist, which would you choose?

I hate to say it, but maybe just flushing the game of the rot and resetting it is not the worst option.
 
Here's my question to the destruction of Magic with UB. If your options are a tight game dominated by whiney troons or making slop to please the masses who don't even know you exist, which would you choose?

I hate to say it, but maybe just flushing the game of the rot and resetting it is not the worst option.
I think we got both of those though, anecdotally it seems like no one that bought in for UB actually plays the game.
 
Here's my question to the destruction of Magic with UB. If your options are a tight game dominated by whiney troons or making slop to please the masses who don't even know you exist, which would you choose?
We ain't had either for more than a decade lol, at least Vivi has only broken standard.

Never forget Battle for Zendikar was when Eldrazi Winter occurred.

Edit : They Killed Vivi, Proft's Memory and Screaming Nemeisis.

Of course that isn't the big news.

Entomb is banned in Legacy, fucking RIP to a Legend.
 
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Edit : They Killed Vivi, Proft's Memory and Screaming Nemeisis.

Of course that isn't the big news.

Entomb is banned in Legacy, fucking RIP to a Legend.

I can’t believe they killed their money maker in standard, but the more I think about it the more it makes sense with the water bending and fire bending mechanics and how even more broken that’d make vivi. I’ll still probably be learning how to play riftbound over standard.

Entomb getting axed is a wild decision and reanimator bros are so fucked. Feels bad to see WOTC ban old ass cards over new ones.
 
Entomb getting axed is a wild decision and reanimator bros are so fucked. Feels bad to see WOTC ban old ass cards over new ones.
Entomb was effectively a One mana instant speed Tutor for the deck so I can see why it happened.

Also I think not getting rid of Cauldron was a mistake, do you really think we are gonna go 6 Sets without a good activated ability?
 
Entomb getting axed is a wild decision and reanimator bros are so fucked. Feels bad to see WOTC ban old ass cards over new ones.
It's the same as the "Survival of the Fittest vs. Vengevine" ban arguments from many years ago: the problem is that WotC is not going to stop printing one-card win condition creatures anytime soon, so do you want to keep the nostalgic old card in the format knowing that it will never stop being a problem, or do you axe it so that Sneak-n-Show becomes the default "cheat idiotic Commander fodder into play" deck?

RIP to Entomb, though. I'd pour one out for a real one, but I haven't played Legacy in a decade, so...
 
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