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Is there a nice way to tell the dragonbreath dude he should go to the dentist instead of buying out every Phyrexian Praetor that goes into the graded counter? I tried putting mints on the table, didn't work.
rhystic study ban
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this card doesn't do shit if you run green mana for anything other than ramp. People forget it's got the best "fuck blue in particular" removal in the game. The funny part is Braids, Arisen Nightmare is arguably a meaner card, but nobody says shit about me running it.
 
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People simply don't give a shit about the card drawing aspect. I run Sivriss, Nightmare Speaker and he draws me an insane numbers of cards even though dealing with him is far easier than dealing with Rhystic Study. I'm pretty much guaranteed to take anything that isn't a straight up bomb or a counterspell.
The commie analogy was fucking retarded, I thought that this dude was smarter than that. I'm on the verge of unsubscribing because he keeps on shoving up collabs with that one furry tranny into my subscription page and there's no way to disable that from appearing.
 
SIMON THE PIEMAN said:
People simply don't give a shit about the card drawing aspect. I run Sivriss, Nightmare Speaker and he draws me an insane numbers of cards even though dealing with him is far easier than dealing with Rhystic Study. I'm pretty much guaranteed to take anything that isn't a straight up bomb or a counterspell.
The commie analogy was fucking retarded, I thought that this dude was smarter than that. I'm on the verge of unsubscribing because he keeps on shoving up collabs with that one furry tranny into my subscription page and there's no way to disable that from appearing.
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At first I am like how that shitty snake draws work if your opponents get to choose if you get the card or not then I remember rhystic study.
 
The real reason to ban Rhystic Study is because good players who remember their triggers will become very, very annoying once they have one under their control, and bad players immediately forget they have a Study on the battlefield and do nothing with it.

The fact that it's good just makes it extra irritating.
 
Maratus volans said:
The real reason to ban Rhystic Study is because good players who remember their triggers will become very, very annoying once they have one under their control, and bad players immediately forget they have a Study on the battlefield and do nothing with it.

The fact that it's good just makes it extra irritating.
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Yeah I care less about what Rhystic Study does, as much as it's just super annoying constantly hearing "do you pay 1?" I don't put it in any deck of mine that runs blue because when I want to be annoying, I want it to be funny.
 
High Level Rad Waste said:
this card doesn't do shit if you run green mana for anything other than ramp. People forget it's got the best "fuck blue in particular" removal in the game.
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If you run color hosers it's fine; as long as you immediately win the game off them. Otherwise you're just a staxnigger and no one wants to spend 45 minutes playing land for turn and watching you touch your deck.
 
Their decision not to run separate casual-competitive banlists continues to be stupid, benefitting just about no-one. Rhystic is fine in competitive, because people actually regard the card for what it is: a three-mana tax effect that might replace itself.

I have never played a casual game where this card comes down and there isn't one fucking idiot who refuses to pay into it. It is one of my least favorite things to see at the table, because it all but certainly means that if I don't remove it immediately, its player wins the game decisively. The retard feeding him plays a bunch of timmy creatures on-curve, then doesn't attack because he doesn't "want to make enemies." That is always how that card works in casual, and it's a complete blight.

From a deckbuilding perspective, it also invalidates many other blue draw spells. You can just exclude it, which is already what I do because of the price-tag, but I generally like it when the goofy battlecruiser format doesn't become a 300-card-format where people just jam the retardedly overpowered cards in their colors and call it a day.
 
Lancers said:
couldn't stand his dumb commie argument. He positions the people that "can't" pay the 1 as being poor working-class victims whilst the Rhystic player as being an uppity heckin-bad landlord millionaire that says anyone can be on his level if they work hard enough and pretends he is giving credence to both sides of the argument when there is a clear "bad guy" here in his shit scenario.
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Jesus Christ you want arguments for Rhystic Study to get yeeted?

1. It's overpowered even in comparison to other game changers. Rhystic Study is the most powerful card draw spell in the format. You could unban Ancestral Recall and unless you have immediate interaction an on curve Rhystic Study is likely going to be stronger than a Recall.

2. The play pattern of do you pay the one is fucking miserable.

3. It punishes the high skill players that work around it the most.

Jimbo plays study

I adjust my play around it and play a dork that will set me up later instead of dropping my own bomb.

Tranny Tina just plays right into it, gets his normal play, and lets Jimbo draw a card, and now i am worse off than both.

Placing bets that Thassa's Oracle will get banned over Rhystic Study
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Thoracle should get banned in every format except for vintage because it is an obvious mistake in the templating.
 
I'm always sort of surprised with Rhystic that it wasn't banned before WotC was running the format. There was at least a few cards that weren't on for power, but fun: Worldfire and Sway the Stars is what I remember, because they often invalidate most of the game up to that point. It doesn't even enable some interesting decks in spite of its annoyance like Sensei's Divining Top. That's on top of Rhystic being an asymmetric universal tax, which is pretty damn good.
 
Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
Their decision not to run separate casual-competitive banlists continues to be stupid, benefitting just about no-one. Rhystic is fine in competitive, because people actually regard the card for what it is: a three-mana tax effect that might replace itself.
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This is a rare case of WotC actually giving the people what they want. EDHtroons want to play the expensive, high-powered shit at allegedly casual tables, that's all it comes down to. I remember posts crying that with the Crypt/Lotus/Dockside ban they wouldn't be able to use them anymore. People (like me) very smugly replied "Just rule 0 it with your pod", only to be informed "But I won't be able to use them at FNM to win packs!"

The reason the bracket system, or the 10-point scale, or any other system they come up with will never work is that most EDHfags want to have their cake and eat it too, and WotC likes this because it means they spend money. They'll cry about casual play, they'll bitch when someone plays something they don't like (poison, stax, counterspells, etc.), but what they're all thinking in their gay little hearts is "It's okay when I do it." I've seen it way too many times to dismiss it as coincidence. The culture breeds this kind of behavior. It might not be the format they need, but it's the format they deserve.

Billy the Adult said:
I'm always sort of surprised with Rhystic that it wasn't banned before WotC was running the format.
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For all the dooming about WotC taking over, the RC was less competent than even them and banned purely on vibes (when they could be bothered to ban at all). The fact that Rhystic is an iconic card in the format was enough to keep them from touching it.
 
Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
Their decision not to run separate casual-competitive banlists continues to be stupid, benefitting just about no-one.
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They did it's called Bracket 1 + 2 vs Bracket 3 vs Bracket 4 + 5

Game changers function as a ban list for 1+2, and a soft ban list for 3. It's not a prefect system and we can quibble about the exact bans/game changers all day but technically it does function as a more real system then everyone everywhere playing a 7/10 deck no matter what.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
If Trade Secrets and Prime Time are bannable, Rhystic Study absolutely is (along with Consecrated Sphinx, while were on the topic.)
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Trade secrets is banned because of how it functions, not on power reasons.

Consecrated Sphinx is 6 Mana so it's at least fair for it's cost.

Rhystic Study should be banned because it's clearly not designed for multiplayer.

Prime Time should NEVER be unbanned. It has gotten stronger since it was banned because it was banned in the days before...we had the lands we have now. A comment on Youtube in a video about Primetime getting unbanned pointed this out to me around the time that the Surveil lands came out.

Prime Time was banned when the Temples were the best set of lands in the format, no Triomes, no Surveil lands..none of the various utility lands like The Castles from Eldraine. No Deserts or Caves, no Planar Nexus + Urza's Tower.

There is no world where Primeval Titan should ever be unbanned because the most power crept card type in the game is Land.

Imagine if they ban sol ring
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they fucking should, it goes in every single deck. Edh isn't "Commander + 99 Cards" its "Commander+ 98 cards + Sol Ring"
 
Oddjob OTP said:
Game changers function as a ban list for 1+2, and a soft ban list for 3. It's not a prefect system and we can quibble about the exact bans/game changers all day but technically it does function as a more real system then everyone everywhere playing a 7/10 deck no matter what.
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The GC list is just a soft HR talking-to masquerading as a banlist. Just more outsourcing maintenance of the game's (unfortunately) primary format to the playerbase.
 
Very Professional said:
The GC list is just a soft HR talking-to masquerading as a banlist. Just more outsourcing maintenance of the game's (unfortunately) primary format to the playerbase.
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It at least works fairly well, at least in my play group. Games are usually fair when we decide on which bracket we want to play.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Trade secrets is banned because of how it functions, not on power reasons.
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Its a horse apiece; [thing] gives way too much, for way too little, and wasn't designed with a multi-player format in mind.

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Consecrated Sphinx is 6 Mana so it's at least fair for it's cost.
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Unagi of Kyoshi Island is fair. Sphinx would be fair as a 3/2 for 2UUUU, but six toughness is way too much for giving that many resources for the low low cost of other players existing.
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
they fucking should, it goes in every single deck. Edh isn't "Commander + 99 Cards" its "Commander+ 98 cards + Sol Ring"
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Ban Sensei's Divining Top while we're at it. That card needs to go for sheer annoyance factor.
 
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