Magic The Gathering

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

@Retink Retunk see you'd think that though but due to IAS 2 (International Accounting Standard 2). Basically, the international financial reporting standard states that you must mark each SKU of inventory at its lowest. It is HIGHLY unethical and unprofessional to do so else basically major holders can question it and have it investigated.

Now I personally in a professional sense believe they fudged it not complying with IAS 2 thus making it look more appealing to investors. Most investors now though see past it and vote with their wallets and leave, hence the massive offloading of stock and devaluation. They used to pool in D&D with MTG when it was doing badly to make it look like it was doing better.

As for the 30th Price gouge, some people were monitoring the site and there were no issues but there always are with secret lairs. Personally, I think they fudged it to save face as they could not risk it not selling because it would probably affect their value again. They are probably thinking it will attract share buys but I sincerely doubt it when Bank of America tells the public your assets are better off being unloaded than it's a really hard sell.

 

[Retink Retunk]

How long do we want to bet it will be before people are posting listings on eBay hoping to recoup what they put in, only to discover this isn’t a product anyone actually wants? Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are a few up already…

Just checked and they’re averaging $1,999 + shipping. Fucking Christ.

That's the case with any product like that, they have listings for double up on eBay as it's being sold on the website. It's why a bunch of people got hit when they got fake conformation emails for their 30th Count Down secret lair as they had already sold it on eBay and all of a sudden weren't actually getting it.

Anyone who buys this product is a retard, and I wouldn't be surprised if they started showing up in those "Celebrations in a Box" things they're selling that are filled with shit they couldn't sell.

@Retink Retunk see you'd think that though but due to IAS 2 (International Accounting Standard 2). Basically, the international financial reporting standard states that you must mark each SKU of inventory at its lowest. It is HIGHLY unethical and unprofessional to do so else basically major holders can question it and have it investigated.

Now I personally in a professional sense believe they fudged it not complying with IAS 2 thus making it look more appealing to investors. Most investors now though see past it and vote with their wallets and leave, hence the massive offloading of stock and devaluation. They used to pool in D&D with MTG when it was doing badly to make it look like it was doing better.

True, Hasbro is not the best at being reasonable with their accounting and obfuscate a bunch of stuff, and I wouldn't put it past them to bullshit things and then play dumb if they're caught.

As for the 30th Price gouge, some people were monitoring the site and there were no issues but there always are with secret lairs. Personally, I think they fudged it to save face as they could not risk it not selling because it would probably affect their value again. They are probably thinking it will attract share buys but I sincerely doubt it when Bank of America tells the public your assets are better off being unloaded than it's a really hard sell.

Another thing I can imagine, is instead of lumping it into the celebration bundles, they eventually just dump it on Amazon and claim they had always planned to give Amazon a bunch of it, or they use a fake eBay account to dump it slowly like some distributors were doing back in the day with over printed product.

It's just insane that stores are probably paying 90$ something dollars a box from distribution, and meanwhile Dominaria United Draft boxes have been on Amazon for the last five days for 80$. I've heard a few places I've talked to that have just started buying what customers pre-order and what they need to cover small events, but others don't touch MtG product anymore and I don't blame them. You just can't sell something that's constantly at a loss and is being dumped everywhere and it's still not selling.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

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The problem is there were lots of things that probably should have been banned that never were until way too late, Chariot and Goldspan can go get fucked, Alrund's Epiphany would never have become a problem without Goldspan powering it and Chariot just kind of proves that any vehicle that doesn't outright suck ass is just going to end up being miserable to actually play against.

Alrund's Epiphany was the problem which is why most of the Izzet Turns dropped their Goldspans or sideboarded them. All goldspan did in that deck was speed up the kill and make it more consistent, it wasn't strictly necessary. The only decks that Goldspan really was central to were the ones that cast spells on him directly like the Fling deck in his first standard or the deck that stormed +1/+1 counters on him in his second standard.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

@Retink Retunk there are a lot of rumors about there being 40 - 50k boxes of 30th price gouge. I do think they will unload them to Amazon and yeah I saw too the box prices on Amazon and that is crazy. Think of this Amazon has its own stock and not WOTC's surplus how much did they fucking print.

now lets say this surplus is just booster boxes and each one is valued at $60 on their accounts. That is 5 000 000 booster boxes just sitting in Texas unsold. We know it's not all booster boxes but it goes to show the possible volume there is. Any financer worth their salt knew a recession is coming and management did not tell them to halt. The other CCG's did.

Can you tell me what single prices are like currently?

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

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Alrund's Epiphany was the problem which is why most of the Izzet Turns dropped their Goldspans or sideboarded them. All goldspan did in that deck was speed up the kill and make it more consistent, it wasn't strictly necessary. The only decks that Goldspan really was central to were the ones that cast spells on him directly like the Fling deck in his first standard or the deck that stormed +1/+1 counters on him in his second standard.

The 10-0 World Championship deck ran 4 Goldspan and 3 Alrunds. Goldspan was one of the worst designed cards from the Era of Fire Design, it had all of the same issues Uro did on a lesser scale, the Turns deck wouldn't have done jack shit with Goldspan because it was an Evasive threat that was very difficult to interact with, without Goldspan being the Bridge between "Low cost removal" and "Having enough mana to Epiphany and Galvanic in the same turn" that deck is absolutely dead in the water.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

The 10-0 World Championship deck ran 4 Goldspan and 3 Alrunds. Goldspan was one of the worst designed cards from the Era of Fire Design, it had all of the same issues Uro did on a lesser scale, the Turns deck wouldn't have done jack shit with Goldspan because it was an Evasive threat that was very difficult to interact with, without Goldspan being the Bridge between "Low cost removal" and "Having enough mana to Epiphany and Galvanic in the same turn" that deck is absolutely dead in the water.

Turns w/o dragons in the main was more popular then the dragon version at the time of banning. It wasn't really important, you just did control deck things longer until you got to 8 mana.

 

[Retink Retunk]

@Retink Retunk there are a lot of rumors about there being 40 - 50k boxes of 30th price gouge. I do think they will unload them to Amazon and yeah I saw too the box prices on Amazon and that is crazy. Think of this Amazon has its own stock and not WOTC's surplus how much did they fucking print.

now lets say this surplus is just booster boxes and each one is valued at $60 on their accounts. That is 5 000 000 booster boxes just sitting in Texas unsold. We know it's not all booster boxes but it goes to show the possible volume there is. Any financer worth their salt knew a recession is coming and management did not tell them to halt. The other CCG's did.

Can you tell me what single prices are like currently?

So something interesting about the 30th just popped up, sounds like Europe had these listed and they lasted for a few hours, then all of a sudden they were not available at the same time as the US ones became not available. It's highly unlikely they were drafting product from the same pool for both markets, as if it sold out in Europe then it wouldn't ever hit the US market in that case:

As for the warehouse product, I think a lot of it was commander decks and other supplemental product, but regardless at that price point that's going to be a lot of everything.

And no idea about singles, I don't really bother with them.

 

[Noebel]

This topic grabs more and more normie attention. No idea who's this guy, but he seems somewhat popular https://youtu.be/bvKF58FH2Zw?t=802

 

[BlackDragoons]

This whole 30th anniversary has been a major slap. This was supposed to be a major moment to celebrate not only the Magic Product but the player base as well. Kinda insulting to the player base when you release product that's not even for the players.

 

[Flexo]

This topic grabs more and more normie attention. No idea who's this guy, but he seems somewhat popular https://youtu.be/bvKF58FH2Zw?t=802

Rating DeFranco autistic - not you. He's little more than an NPC talking head, but is a good a measure of what's getting out in the normie sphere so big find if even if muggles are hearing about this kind of screw up.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

Yep, it was done on nothing more than greed and to the highest level. Take Pokemon TCG they are releasing Crown Zenith at the end of January to celebrate the end of sword and shield but a new rotation. what do they do? Release a full art set full of everything including Secret Rare energy cards with some of the most stunning art to date. Yes they have gated through the special products to control the economy and make sure it does not bottom hard but its most regularly priced.

The problem is it is a pure cardboard goblin set and I am probably going to try and get a master set because it is so pretty. Flesh and blood to make their product accessible to players.

Wotc has grown so arrogant the last few years for no reason, the only reason they made a major profit in 2020 was because of the pandemic and not their actual product but the issue in the world. Yu gi oh saw a massive surge in players where sets went out of print in a week but they did not falter and produce more.

 

[Retink Retunk]

This whole 30th anniversary has been a major slap. This was supposed to be a major moment to celebrate not only the Magic Product but the player base as well. Kinda insulting to the player base when you release product that's not even for the players.

It's also that the best they can come up with is "well, not every product is for everyone." and sure, that's true, but what product has been for anyone lately?

- Baulder's Gat collapsed and is still selling for 75$ a set box on so many sites.
- The last two Jump Start products have been utter trash.
- Almost all the collector boxes are just sitting around at this point.
- Alchemy is dog shit and no one wanted it to begin with.
- Standard is dead after countless bannings and other trash.
- The celebrations in a box are garbage.

Then here comes this overpriced proxy bullshit that appeals to no one besides content creators who want to make videos laughing at it. You can make super premium trash for whales when your other products are home runs, not when everything is stagnate and crap.

Yep, it was done on nothing more than greed and to the highest level. Take Pokemon TCG they are releasing Crown Zenith at the end of January to celebrate the end of sword and shield but a new rotation. what do they do? Release a full art set full of everything including Secret Rare energy cards with some of the most stunning art to date. Yes they have gated through the special products to control the economy and make sure it does not bottom hard but its most regularly priced.

I've been thinking about the comparison of Pokemon and Magic recently, and while both have a lot of product it seems like Pokemon does better with them. I think it's because all the Pokemon product is still generally the core product plus extra stuff, and not different product, as in you look at the blister packs, it's a basic booster, a promo, and a coin. You look at the display boxes, it's a few basic boosters, a coin, a pin, and a promo or two. The tins, well, those are a promo, basic boosters, and the tin itself. The point is, it's rather simple and the people who collect the pins can buy their thing, and same with the people who collect the coins.

Now for Magic, there's the Draft, Set, and Collectors. Some cards are only in the set or collectors, and the set list is it's own thing, and then there's the Commander product, which may be in the set slot, but has to be bought separately but will show up in spoilers sometimes mixed in with normal stuff. Now don't forget there's Jumpstart only cards, and who knows what for Modern or Legacy only. It just feels like a far bigger pain to follow and track. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Pokemon has that lost legends transformer shattered glass serialized wood carving gimmicks and other dumb shit.

 

[Logistical Nightmare]

Can you tell me what single prices are like currently?

Meant to reply to this yesterday, are you wanting singles for 30th or just singles in general rn? General singles aren’t really moving beyond standard rares tanking like they always do, with some commander and legacy playable cards spiking. As for 30th singles… there’s only a few listings I could find. Nothing that inspires confidence in the product, especially since they’re all from Europe (see attached screenshot cause no pc access rn)

Edit: can’t spell to save my life

 

[Haywire]

Why would they do that? I bet alot of hardcore M:TG players would be willing to pay a grand for 4 booster packs for cards they can't use.

I'm still amazed by the whole shitshow. I am a bigger collector than most: I own a set of ungraded unlimited P9 and previously have played in Eternal Weekend for Vintage champs for ~7-8 years (and can't join this year due to Cardtitan mismanaging it). After Capenna, I was considering buying a set of Workshops to play something not-blue for Vintage Champs, and honestly I can't justify spending that kind of money while the game and business is in such a steep decline.

30th anniversary was commented as 'for collectors', and I can't wonder why I wouldn't just buy a real Mox instead of a pack of proxies at that cost. For $1k I can get a full set of proxy power that look REAL good and the rest of another legacy or vintage deck and they're just as legal as 30th ed.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

Just to be autistic but it wasn't secret lair, it was this guy:
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Alt art and foiled for the Phyrexian vs Coalition duel deck.

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Most of the really expensive RL foils that were reprinted after they said they weren't were Judge foils. Where you get foil Survival of the Fittest, Yawg's Will, Gaea's Cradle, Intuition, and such.

The others got reprinted in From the Vaults which were sorta like Secret lairs but different.

lol sex monkey

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missing part of the story friend

I honestly wonder if WotC is going to survive this. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but this whole thing feels like the infamous "thermocline of trust" companies can suffer from. Have any of the whales even tried defending this??

I've seen it in MTG FB groups, "This product wasn't meant for you" type talk is def out there in regards to it.

 

[cuddle striker]

lol sex monkey

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this shit makes me want to build a mono green Harambe commander deck

 

[Chucklenuts]

Meant to reply to this yesterday, are you wanting singles for 30th or just singles in general rn? General singles aren’t really moving beyond standard rares tanking like they always do, with some commander and legacy playable cards spiking. As for 30th singles… there’s only a few listings I could find. Nothing that inspires confidence in the product, especially since they’re all from Europe (see attached screenshot cause no pc access rn)

Edit: can’t spell to save my life

Those listings are for the 30th anniversary promos, foil old borders of popular cards from magic's past that shops will usually give out for attending a prerelease, or FNM.
Those are not from the $1000 30th anniversary box.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Rumors are going out, that Magic 30 turned out to be a massive flop.

Given how the sales of it ended (where it was made "unavailable"), the rumors do seem believable. And the 300 or so orders that were rejected, is also a massive red flag.

 

[chainer]

I’m not an Arena player but would like to hear some opinions on this post.

How specifically MTG Arena is rigged, and why they're able to hide it.

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[Noebel]

I’m not an Arena player but would like to hear some opinions on this post.

Since it's digital - it's possible. However, keep in mind, that this guy being full of shit and Arena being rigged might be true simultaniously.