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What I don't get is how those machines are still around and ticking. The House consumed the plane generations ago, that would make manufacturing electronics and most mechanical devices impossible as there would be no factories. Same goes for the gas, batteries, and electricity needed to run them. If it were something like a gun which used case ammunition and was taken care of maybe, but we don't see anything like that.
Old problem with them.

Amonkhet was interesting, until you realize that if EVERYBODY is participating in these trials such that everyone in a squad but 1 is killed - and that 1 is killed and zombiefied, where do the kids come from? They said in a story that the servant mummies were raising the kids but that doesn't explain how babies were getting made in the first place unless the plane was literally supposed to have lasted one generation.
 
Old problem with them.

Amonkhet was interesting, until you realize that if EVERYBODY is participating in these trials such that everyone in a squad but 1 is killed - and that 1 is killed and zombiefied, where do the kids come from? They said in a story that the servant mummies were raising the kids but that doesn't explain how babies were getting made in the first place unless the plane was literally supposed to have lasted one generation.
Teen pregnancy rates at 100%
 
Teen pregnancy rates at 100%
LoL but yeah I thought about that too, only problems are 1) the girls would have to take 9 months off for the pregnancy (no sign of that) and 2) there was like... no indication of anything going on in the city. The crops we see don't have any indication of romance or even cuddling. They're nice, wholesome, totally chaste gatherings where men and women are treated as completely interchangeable.

It's almost like they're playing into the cliche of spoiled liberal city folk having no knowledge or awareness of where things come from and they just spring up in grocery stores.
 
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LoL but yeah I thought about that too, only problems are 1) the girls would have to take 9 months off for the pregnancy (no sign of that) and 2) there was like... no indication of anything going on in the city. The crops we see don't have any indication of romance or even cuddling. They're nice, wholesome, totally chaste gatherings where men and women are treated as completely interchangeable.
IIRC each of the five gods have a priesthood who don't participate in the trials, but instead tend to their respective god's temple and teach the initiates. I also vaguely remember some kind of independent city administration being mentioned as well. It's possible that these people are responsible for the lion's share of births in the city, but who knows. You've got to suspend your disbelief and "But where are the pregnant ladies?" kind of takes a backseat to the plot of those sets.

I would definitely put Amonkhet on the early end of Magic's transition to "cardboard cutout worldbuilding," but I think it was slightly more forgivable in that case because the lore of the place was that it was literally just a factory for zombie super soldiers set up by Nicol Bolas, so it made sense for the parts of the setting we saw to be shallow and singularly focused. Also, in retrospect, "Hunger Games in Ancient Egypt" is far from the worst setting they've done: OG Eldraine was the most po-faced MTGification of the King Arthur mythos mashed up with Shrek, while Ikoria was an absolute dumpster fire of a setting that still irritates me.
 
IIRC each of the five gods have a priesthood who don't participate in the trials, but instead tend to their respective god's temple and teach the initiates. I also vaguely remember some kind of independent city administration being mentioned as well. It's possible that these people are responsible for the lion's share of births in the city, but who knows. You've got to suspend your disbelief and "But where are the pregnant ladies?" kind of takes a backseat to the plot of those sets.

I would definitely put Amonkhet on the early end of Magic's transition to "cardboard cutout worldbuilding," but I think it was slightly more forgivable in that case because the lore of the place was that it was literally just a factory for zombie super soldiers set up by Nicol Bolas, so it made sense for the parts of the setting we saw to be shallow and singularly focused. Also, in retrospect, "Hunger Games in Ancient Egypt" is far from the worst setting they've done: OG Eldraine was the most po-faced MTGification of the King Arthur mythos mashed up with Shrek, while Ikoria was an absolute dumpster fire of a setting that still irritates me.
I really did enjoy Eldraine limited though. Decent amount of synergy.
 
What I don't get is how those machines are still around and ticking. The House consumed the plane generations ago, that would make manufacturing electronics and most mechanical devices impossible as there would be no factories. Same goes for the gas, batteries, and electricity needed to run them. If it were something like a gun which used case ammunition and was taken care of maybe, but we don't see anything like that.
In this case, we can handwave it with "Valgavoth did it to give people hope he could crush."

That said, I figured out how to continue the Eldrazi storyline without ruining Innistrad: Find a plane that's even worse to live on (say, Duskmourn) and dump Emrakul onto it.
 
In this case, we can handwave it with "Valgavoth did it to give people hope he could crush."

That said, I figured out how to continue the Eldrazi storyline without ruining Innistrad: Find a plane that's even worse to live on (say, Duskmourn) and dump Emrakul onto it.
Nah, they'll remember that very briefly Jace had a conversation with her during Eldritch moon, but only the part where she took the form of Emeria. 3 DEI hires will return the Eldrazi's consciousness to them, transforming them back to their original humanoid form. Why would transform into monsters in the first place? An even bigger threat. That's about to be revived.
 
I haven't played since (iirc) around the time Return to Ravnica came out, and I have to ask: has there been insane power creep, or was this Nadu card some sort of misprint?
 
I haven't played since (iirc) around the time Return to Ravnica came out, and I have to ask: has there been insane power creep, or was this Nadu card some sort of misprint?
Nadu was a misprint fuckup but it doesn’t help that they also introduce tons of shitty power creep cards anyways.
 
I haven't played since (iirc) around the time Return to Ravnica came out, and I have to ask: has there been insane power creep, or was this Nadu card some sort of misprint?
I started playing about the time you quit (my intro was the G/R gatecrash precon deck) and I’d say Power creep is real, and Nadu is the end result. It wasn’t a misprint in the sense of they didn’t word it correctly, but it was in the sense that wizards didn’t playtest the card and deemed it acceptable. I do want to clarify: if you mean is there standard power creep? Marginally, but most of the issues that arise there cause problems in other formats, and that took off majorly in eldrain. Oko was the first mistake, companion as a whole was the second, and every supplemental product designed as commander first or direct to modern has been steadily growing in power. Cards that should theoretically cost more mana to be balanced have been designed by players that want to live in magical Christmas land, so we get things like ‘Sheoldred, the Apocalypse’. I’m not against some power creep, cause magic would be stale if new cards that were strong enough to play didn’t get printed, but I think magic has grown faster than they can reasonably quality control their products.
 
It wasn’t a misprint in the sense of they didn’t word it correctly, but it was in the sense that wizards didn’t playtest the card and deemed it acceptable.
I asked about misprint because I could see it be busted good but within reason if it said "spell or ability your opponent controls" and the ability was just a triggered ability on Nadu rather than each creature having a separate instance with separate per-turn limits. Allowing you to do the targeting yourself is a stupid card advantage engine strapped onto an already undercosted evasive beatstick. 0-equip-cost equipment exists, cheap/free repeatable targeting exists, this is basically "draw two cards per creature you control during your turn (or everyone's turn if abusing an activated ability that isn't limited to your turn), put any land drawn directly into play NOT EVEN TAPPED HOLY SHIT." You don't even need to playtest to know it's retarded. Is Modern dominated by combo decks that consistently win by turn 4 or something?
 
I asked about misprint because I could see it be busted good but within reason if it said "spell or ability your opponent controls" and the ability was just a triggered ability on Nadu rather than each creature having a separate instance with separate per-turn limits. Allowing you to do the targeting yourself is a stupid card advantage engine strapped onto an already undercosted evasive beatstick. 0-equip-cost equipment exists, cheap/free repeatable targeting exists, this is basically "draw two cards per creature you control during your turn (or everyone's turn if abusing an activated ability that isn't limited to your turn), put any land drawn directly into play NOT EVEN TAPPED HOLY SHIT." You don't even need to playtest to know it's retarded. Is Modern dominated by combo decks that consistently win by turn 4 or something?
I mean there was one for a while, recently.
 
I asked about misprint because I could see it be busted good but within reason if it said "spell or ability your opponent controls" and the ability was just a triggered ability on Nadu rather than each creature having a separate instance with separate per-turn limits. Allowing you to do the targeting yourself is a stupid card advantage engine strapped onto an already undercosted evasive beatstick. 0-equip-cost equipment exists, cheap/free repeatable targeting exists, this is basically "draw two cards per creature you control during your turn (or everyone's turn if abusing an activated ability that isn't limited to your turn), put any land drawn directly into play NOT EVEN TAPPED HOLY SHIT." You don't even need to playtest to know it's retarded. Is Modern dominated by combo decks that consistently win by turn 4 or something?
MaRo's podcast defending it is... unintentionally hilarious. (I'm sure @Honka Honka Burning Love will especially love it) He goes on this whole thing for ages about how different cards are designed for different things and roles and all then proceeds to explain how Nadu was only ever a casual card so when they did a "quick pass" over it they were just thinking about casual, not that it would have any impact on competitive.

The harder he tries to defend it, the sillier it sounds.
 
I haven't played since (iirc) around the time Return to Ravnica came out, and I have to ask: has there been insane power creep, or was this Nadu card some sort of misprint?
Oko, Thief of Crowns was another recent good example of untested power creep as well. I'm sure you could find tons more, but that one springs to mind the easiest.
 
Oko, Thief of Crowns was another recent good example of untested power creep as well. I'm sure you could find tons more, but that one springs to mind the easiest.
I mean if you want Power Creep.

Hero's Downfall used to be a god tier removal spell in Standard and now Something like Swift End/Murderous Rider went kinda unplayed in Standard despite being Hero's Downfall with a 2/3 attached.

MaRo's podcast defending it is... unintentionally hilarious. (I'm sure @Honka Honka Burning Love will especially love it) He goes on this whole thing for ages about how different cards are designed for different things and roles and all then proceeds to explain how Nadu was only ever a casual card so when they did a "quick pass" over it they were just thinking about casual, not that it would have any impact on competitive.

The harder he tries to defend it, the sillier it sounds.
Maro is a cock sucking retard who gets Hero worshiped by the (((((COMMMUNITY))))) for no good reason, remember this is the dumb faggot who keeps trying to shove Goyslop Unsets down everyone's throats.
 
MaRo's podcast defending it is... unintentionally hilarious. (I'm sure @Honka Honka Burning Love will especially love it) He goes on this whole thing for ages about how different cards are designed for different things and roles and all then proceeds to explain how Nadu was only ever a casual card so when they did a "quick pass" over it they were just thinking about casual, not that it would have any impact on competitive.

The harder he tries to defend it, the sillier it sounds.
To be fair, the original Nadu design would have been really obnoxious in Commander*. That said, they could have easily solved that problem by just...not making it legendary.

Nothing better embodies the current state of Magic than a set designed to affect Modern by printing cards at a much higher power level than would be acceptable in Standard-legal sets, which ends up breaking the format because someone bungled a card targeted specifically at a different, casual format**.

*Not that the current version isn't obnoxious in Commander, but the first one would have been truly awful.

**And this in a set that already had Commander precons! You'd think they'd do Event Deck-style precons for the competitive constructed format, but no, it's fucking Commander precons because of course it is.
 
**And this in a set that already had Commander precons! You'd think they'd do Event Deck-style precons for the competitive constructed format, but no, it's fucking Commander precons because of course it is.
They only ever had one Modern event deck and the last set to have an actual event deck was before the first return to Innistrad. There were some other decks like it but they stopped before War of the Spark.
 
To be fair, the original Nadu design would have been really obnoxious in Commander*. That said, they could have easily solved that problem by just...not making it legendary.
I still contend it would have been nearly as obnoxious everywhere, probably more so in non Commander if it weren't Legendary.

Edit : For Examples sake, Imagine a world where the Flash Nadu got printed and we end up in a special hell where we get a combination of the Temur Flash deck from Standard and Izzet Murktide.

Imagine Murktide at instant speed that can be protected with Force of Negation because it is being cast on your turn.
 
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