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Noebel said:
Problem. He is cartoonishly evil. His idea of ruling is beating everyone over the head, sometimes just for lulz. It works well for simple tasks, but not for those where people supposed to think really hard. I would assume even somebody like he understands that.
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Except we have seen him Ruling, he was the Ruler of Madara in Legends cycle 2 and he was quite reasonable and not over the top evil. He didn't kill Ramses Overdark for subverting the other two Branches of the Empires Government..and Bolas made him Regent..but made it very clear that Bolas was not someone to try and overthrow so if Ramses tries it he is in a world of hurt.

He also froze Ramses in place and gave him Psychic powers to puppet the empre with as Regent, but he did let up on the Frozen in palce thing when Tetuso showed up and Ramses was in danger.

He also straight up Apologized to Ramses when he accidently did the Bolas mind fuck spell on him and told him "Remind me of this if I am ever pissed off at you"

They aren't exactly a scientific nation. what they do is graft funny magic metal onto themselves, so they can do more magic. They were being in the process of running out of it by the point when the Alara-imploding shart happened, which only complicated matters.
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Yeah they were running out of it because the source was on another Shard, and their constructs are on par with anything Kaladesh makes.

I don't think they had a concrete vision for both of these when Kaladesh was considered. Plus, I bet Bolas was still salty about Kamigava in particular.
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No but it shows that Artifice is not that rare of a thing to crop on on planes, There is no reason for Bolas to specifically target Kaladesh to find his Theoretical Planar Bridge when there are several planes that should be watched.

Their entire technological advancements were based on digging up Thran shit. Their portal technology was developed for the pre-mending conditions and wouldn't have worked now, I assume.
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The Phyrexian Portal tech did break with the mending..but quite frankly those would still be helpful in making new ones, and Urza and Tolaria probably surpassed the Thran at some point.

There wouldn't really be a story in such case. In reality there could've been some amount of portal technology that did not worked to the specs and was thrown into the shredder alongside its creators. But this is not reality, and wizards were planning to get on with it.
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That is kind of the problem I have, It only happened so Bolas could have his army for the invasion..to a plane that he didn't have to invade for his plan to work.
 
Well Intentioned said:
The Walking Dead shit was Innistrad (or whatever.)
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They kind of did....
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Flexo said:
They kind of did....
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I do gotta say, the in-universe versions are really nice, and my favorite commander deck at the moment is a Wernog/Bjorna partner deck that hands out clues and taxes their use. I think what it really shows is that wizards doesn’t need to use the external IPs to create interesting cards, but that they care more about possibly suckering more consuuuuumers into buying their flashy cardboard that has the customer’s favorite thing(c) on it.
 
Yeah. I don't like Rick or care one whit about the walking dead, but I seriously want a Greymond who has a real classic Odric feel to him.

Though it bugs me that Zethi (MTG edition of Chun Li) wasn't kept as some kind of monk fighter who skill kicks but instead is implied uses her sword for quick attacks.

If anything Daryl's Innistrad version is somehow even more badass than his TV look.
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I understand them wanting to expand their player base. That's why I said I wish UB was kind of silo'd off in its own variant. (Universes: The Convergence)
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Flexo said:
I understand them wanting to expand their player base. That's why I said I wish UB was kind of silo'd off in its own variant. (Universes: The Convergence)
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Siloing off UB stuff just defeats the point of UB stuff anyway. The goal is to use UB as a pathway to get people into playing Magic (as a system) and you don't get that if you try to tell people that they need to play at the kids table for no reason other than making some uber-grognards happy.
 
A skinny fat man said:
Siloing off UB stuff just defeats the point of UB stuff anyway. The goal is to use UB as a pathway to get people into playing Magic (as a system) and you don't get that if you try to tell people that they need to play at the kids table for no reason other than making some uber-grognards happy.
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But they are doing that anyway. There's been numerous stories of people who bought stuff like the Dr Who decks and then have never bothered to touch or adjust them.
 
Really happy with Foundations as a set. If you guys are looking to get anyone into MTG I think this would be a prime time, because it's just a lot more fun and playable than I've found everything else this year. Those Jumpstart packs are really awesome and I wish I was introduced with something like that (I was thrown in the deep end in a competitive draft and had a horrible time and proceeded to not play for 5 years). I'm sure a lot of oldfags can say that they had better stuff back in the good old days, but this is the best I've seen and the most fun I've had with the new stuff coming out since I started actually playing regularly about two years ago.
 
bliblblblbbllb said:
I'm sure a lot of oldfags can say that they had better stuff back in the good old days, but this is the best I've seen and the most fun I've had with the new stuff coming out since I started actually playing regularly about two years ago.
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No no. Even as an oldfag I will freely admit MTG intro products kind of always sucked and has been a problem. Jumpstart is legit amazing and one of the best things new magic has done in years.
 
Maratus volans said:
Yeah, I think that's the thing that's bullshit about the plot. Bolas knew he'd need a planar portal back when he first set up Amonkhet to be a zombie supersoldier factory just after the events of Time Spiral block, but he also didn't have one and - as far as we know - wasn't actively trying to invent one. He just sort of sat around and waited for someone else to invent it, then sent his lackey in to steal it. Rashmi invented it at the time that she did because the plot dictated that Bolas needed a way to dump his zombies onto Ravnica to start Jacetice League: End Game, and Tezz found it right away because they only had two sets to work with and they had the whole 'heroic freedom fighters vs. evil fascists' plot to do too.
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Agreed, I think an improvement would have been Kaladesh being another Amonkhet type plane that Nico Bolas conquered and than reorganized to fit his uses. He discovers Aether on the plane and needs a Planar Bridge so he takes over Kaladesh, hides his own exitsence behind myth, and then dictates policy from the shadow so that the plane advances in artifice while stigmatizing magic, that way Chandra has a better reason to fight Bolas as well, he created the circumstances which allowed her shitty backstory to happen.
It would make Dovin Baan make more sense as well,tone down his sympathetic elements and have him be an agent of Bolas from the start.
 
Lizard Machine Bugs said:
Agreed, I think an improvement would have been Kaladesh being another Amonkhet type plane that Nico Bolas conquered and than reorganized to fit his uses. He discovers Aether on the plane and needs a Planar Bridge so he takes over Kaladesh, hides his own exitsence behind myth, and then dictates policy from the shadow so that the plane advances in artifice while stigmatizing magic, that way Chandra has a better reason to fight Bolas as well, he created the circumstances which allowed her shitty backstory to happen.
It would make Dovin Baan make more sense as well,tone down his sympathetic elements and have him be an agent of Bolas from the start.
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this right here is why I think all the retards on this site could do a better job overhauling the entirety of magic's story than the hackfraud writers that WOTC pays to do it.
 
AnotherPleb said:
Last time I really played was Crimson Vow.
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Ah you just missed it.

So per the wiki:
Now there's one big difference which is why I consider Foundations "true" jumpstart vs a set jumpstart. Namely a line like this from Dominaria United's JS page:
So yeah, "true' jumpstarts have completely set decklists. What you open up is going to be the same 20 cards in that list every time.

The "set" JS was 19 cards, then a randomized card added into it. Which... you're playing with 40 card decks. 2 random rares/mythics in your packs, and you WILL see those cards in a game. So... yeah. One person opens a bomb, the other opens a dud, guess how the game goes.

This is what I meant by they did try to screw it up, but I think all of these set JS flopping hard (compared to the "true" sets) is why they ceased making them.
 
Noebel said:
It's one of the commander decks. Gimmik is they jammed almost all existing alternative win cards into it.
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Ironically, there are win cons you can’t actually win with via the current deck list if I read it right. There are no demons, and I didn’t see a way to copy biovisionary in the list. I think they should have printed 8thplacedave’s “every way to lose” deck instead, because it’s FUNNIER and I would have actually bought that.
 
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