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watching @Cryptosporidium 138 discover everything is shit is like watching a father return from war just to find his firstborn child dead in his arms in a housefire
anti SJW said:
Sorry if this is late. I have'nt played or collected in awhile. But can someone explain to me why some booster boxes for the upcoming Avatar set are going for around 900 bucks?
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because fuck you pay me consumer
 
Retink Retunk said:
People who buy these are delusional.
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I make a cut-out for scalpers. It makes sense if you think they'll keep climbing, because you can make a decent chunk of change. And if you actually sit on them long-term, they might prove to be lucrative - it depends on when wizards actually chews on the reprint policy for UB. That's something they'll clearly need to actually figure out, sooner or later.

But most of the time I hear people complaining about "how expensive the game is," they talk about the price of collector booster packs. You know, the intentionally expensive ones where literally half the pack is worthless chaff or advertisement cards, and you're just hoping to get a lottery card alongside the handful of $0.50 rares you open. The collector booster has been one of the shrewdest moves that WOTC has ever done, because you have whales trying to pretend that they're the same as the $4 packs of yore without a shred of irony.
 
So mechanics article was posted.

I hate waterbending the more I hear about it.i don't know if I'll ever be able to recite what all it can do.

I also just realized something I missed about earthbending...
And don't worry; when that land dies or is exiled, it returns as a tapped noncreature land.
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What? You don't even have the risk of losing you mana base if you animate your lands recklessly? You get them back regardless?

Just.... earthbend aristocrats seems the least offensive part of all this. Earthbend your mana base then play Armageddon. Laugh as the others at your table suffer....
 
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anti SJW said:
Sorry if this is late. I have'nt played or collected in awhile. But can someone explain to me why some booster boxes for the upcoming Avatar set are going for around 900 bucks?
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During Covid the Card Market went utterly insane and Scalpers became an incredibly large problem across every single game.

Universes Beyond did not help that.

What? You don't even have the risk of losing you mana base of you animate your lands recklessly? You get them back regardless?
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To be fair, Land Animation effects that aren't creature lands have largely been completely unplayable, and even creature lands are kind of iffy unless it is really cheap like Mutavault or a permanent effect like the Sanctuary thing. If they are making Land Animation as a core mechanic of a set it is a good time to try this new templating to see if maybe reducing the risk of the effect can make it actually usable.

Like if the earthbending templating works well I can see us getting an instant or sorcery to do the same sort of thing, which means even if the land comes back after it dies you are still down a card from casting the actual spell.
 
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I think the 4 Avatar mechanics highlight the UB problem. You gotta have the bending of course. But to a magic player, all 4 mechanics have "bending" in the name and then are completely disconnected.

Airbending is plot/foretell/etc.
Waterbending is convoke/improvise for an ability.
Earthbending is awaken kinda?
Firebending is giving a name to an effect that gets thrown on uncommons.

I bet they are fine for AtLA fans, but trying to remember what they do with these non-descript names is stupid. I'd need reminder text every time, in comparison to something like "Landfall".
 
Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
I make a cut-out for scalpers. It makes sense if you think they'll keep climbing, because you can make a decent chunk of change. And if you actually sit on them long-term, they might prove to be lucrative - it depends on when wizards actually chews on the reprint policy for UB. That's something they'll clearly need to actually figure out, sooner or later.
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I get the idea of making free tendies but it just seems like a massive risk and effort for what is probably not that much return after all the time and fees.

Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
But most of the time I hear people complaining about "how expensive the game is," they talk about the price of collector booster packs. You know, the intentionally expensive ones where literally half the pack is worthless chaff or advertisement cards, and you're just hoping to get a lottery card alongside the handful of $0.50 rares you open. The collector booster has been one of the shrewdest moves that WOTC has ever done, because you have whales trying to pretend that they're the same as the $4 packs of yore without a shred of irony.
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It's funny because regular boxes are still super cheap but collectors somehow are more expensive than ever.
 
Retink Retunk said:
It's funny because regular boxes are still super cheap but collectors somehow are more expensive than ever.
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It's because retarded whales don't pick up regular boxes. They exclusively buy (and whine about the price of) the most-expensive, most-unnecessary form of the product, but their slavish consoomerist nature prevents them from just not buying at the inflated prices.

To some extent, yes, Wizards short-prints collector boosters, so you can only get so much stock of them for so much time. And yet the price climbing and climbing is only sustainable if retards allow scaplers to cash out. Sure, scalpers might pay premium to buy from other scalpers, if they expect they'll still be able to cash out above it. And who's cashing them out?

It's retarded consoomers. I don't understand why I should care that collector boosters are more expensive if I can play every competitive and casual format in the game without ever touching them, but of course if there's one thing consoomers want to do, it's blame everyone else for the obvious consequences of their inability to control themselves. Crying all the way to making a mortgage payment on some cardboard, insisting that they just have to have it.
 
Magic the gathering is for the people. The people get to vote with their wallets, but unfortunately, the people are retarded.
 
I'm still shocked that the player base voted the way they did about magic 30, especially with how they act now with the sets that are coming out. Maro has to be kicking himself that they didn't hold off on trying to make a vintage proxy product until the 35th anniversary or 40th or whatever. I'm not convinced that it wouldn't have had the same blow back now it got then. Or it might do a better job at getting those of us more willing to limp along through the shitty sets to finally just throw in the towel and be done with it all.
 
If wizards actually cared they'd release a product at normal value with shock lands in the land slot.
 
alogatog said:
watching @Cryptosporidium 138 discover everything is shit is like watching a father return from war just to find his firstborn child dead in his arms in a housefire

because fuck you pay me consumer
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More like my son is now a fat, faggot tranny who won't listen to me and my wife has been cheating on me behind my back with everything that has a pulse. i still HAVE my wife and son. But they are so pozzed, fucked and ruined that it's better just to cut all ties, no matter how much it hurts and leave anyways.
 
Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
It's because retarded whales don't pick up regular boxes. They exclusively buy (and whine about the price of) the most-expensive, most-unnecessary form of the product, but their slavish consoomerist nature prevents them from just not buying at the inflated prices.
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And its not even true that Play boxes are super cheap, you just fell for the lie because you have the reddit mentality of "if I hate it, it sucks, is stupid and will fail."

Final Fantasy play boxes are still $70 over prerelease prices.

reddit retard.webp


Collector Boosters do fetch a high premium because, unlike Play boxes, they will not be reprinted. WotC could easily fix this problem by increasing supply, or fixing their distribution issues.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
"if I hate it, it sucks, is stupid and will fail."
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Fail? I don't really know how it's a failure. I have lower prices on singles, because whales like you keep cooking up excuses to throw mortgage payments at intentionally-overpriced slop.

Seriously, ever since Collector boosters were first introduced back in... what was it, Throne of Eldraine? The price of most singles has cratered because gambling addicts subsidize the prices of non-special-edition prints.
Stab You in the Back said:
Final Fantasy play boxes are still $70 over prerelease prices.
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Using prerelease prices on a product without MSRP definitely couldn't possibly go wrong.

On June 13th, broader release, we're looking at a price-point of about $195. The high of $240/box looks to have been a cresting point, and it's resting now around $220, an increase of $25. Talk to any owner, and it's because distribution of the stuff gets snapped up as quickly as it rolls out.

And yet the price-point for these boxes is about in tune with where Lord of the Rings went to. Maybe these average out to the same, maybe FF grows to be the more expensive of the pair. Yet when we look at the prices of singles... these are pretty normal distributions.

Meaning that the increased price of product has been eagerly consumed by whales opening lots of it. So, hey, thanks for doing your part to keep my single prices low. Draft prices on FF were higher than a 'normal' set, and yet in-line with LotR, Modern Horizons, and other supplementary-"premium" sets. In fact, Final Fantasy seems to have the same price-point as MH3.

The one change is that FF is a standard-legal set. But, again, if you think you build competitive decks by cracking packs, you're fundamentally just fishing for excuses for a gambling addiction.
(And who the fuck plays paper standard outside of a PTQ or PT?)
Stab You in the Back said:
WotC could easily fix this problem by increasing supply, or fixing their distribution issues.
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Or you could keep paying inflated prices for shit you don't need, and I'll continue to get everything I want out of a set for like $30.
 
meanwhile in the content creation sphere, boomer tranny orbiter Brian Lewis brought in the epitome of they/them and a fat chick who openly says all cops are bastards in video and jokes about it, for the latest episode of shuffle up and play. I kinda feel bad for those who financially supports/supported this kind of trash, no wonder they have to resort to crowdfunding for cash because no advertiser would want to touch this with a 10ft pole
if any mtg "celeb" ever becomes a lolcow, he's definitely a main contestant
 
darksoulstwo said:
boomer tranny orbiter Brian Lewis brought in the epitome of they/them and a fat chick who openly says all cops are bastards in video and jokes about it, for the latest episode of shuffle up and play.
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This is hardly why you shouldn't watch TCC. Dude himself is like... I don't know how to explain it, but he's got the gumption and attitude and behavior of someone with a goddamn mausoleum in his water-closet. I don't know that he'll become a lolcow per se, but I do think something's going to blow up in his face and he's going to engage in hubristic self-destruction... the only question is whether it'll be amusing enough to watch.

Because that is decidedly not a phrase I would use to describe shuffle up and play. Deeply uncharismatic people being deeply uncomfortable with each other, with horrendously forced chemistry. It's obvious that they re-take multiple shots to try to get the most 'entertaining' impression of it all, but if you have even a shred of social awareness you recognize just how forced absolutely everything is, and how bored the people at the table are to be there. I suppose he has some skill at cultivating an audience of gormless gooners without a clue in the world, at least...
 
Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
This is hardly why you shouldn't watch TCC. Dude himself is like... I don't know how to explain it, but he's got the gumption and attitude and behavior of someone with a goddamn mausoleum in his water-closet. I don't know that he'll become a lolcow per se, but I do think something's going to blow up in his face and he's going to engage in hubristic self-destruction... the only question is whether it'll be amusing enough to watch.

Because that is decidedly not a phrase I would use to describe shuffle up and play. Deeply uncharismatic people being deeply uncomfortable with each other, with horrendously forced chemistry. It's obvious that they re-take multiple shots to try to get the most 'entertaining' impression of it all, but if you have even a shred of social awareness you recognize just how forced absolutely everything is, and how bored the people at the table are to be there. I suppose he has some skill at cultivating an audience of gormless gooners without a clue in the world, at least...
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By far the best moment of SFUP is the time they were torturing the commie Spice8Rack and threw him into THE VOID.

Otherwise, yeah. Commander At Home is much more entertaining.
 
Flexo said:
Or are sets now just way over 211 cards?
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Large sets tend to be, though this is 151 unique cards between TLA and TLE. I don't really know what the 'eternal' cards are - they look like kindof a starter-set game-night kind of thing.

I don't think EoE is doing particularly well, and I think WOTC isn't liking how absolutely ambivalent everyone seems to be towards Spider-Man.
 
Flexo said:
Did the entire ATLA set just drop? We don't even have Spider-man out yet and the previews for Avatar are done? Or are sets now just way over 211 cards?
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That is fucking insane, almost the entire set dropped not only like 4 months earlier but also during the apogee of EoE and before spiderman even deigns to drop. I know they're feeling the burn on spiderman set and they gotta have SOMETHING for people to be "hype" over but god damn.
 
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