Disaster Man arrested after shouting ‘womp, womp’ and pulling a gun on immigration protesters - Womp womp, what it do

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Washington Post said:
The gathering at a park gazebo in Huntsville, Ala., was by no means the largest of Saturday’s nationwide protests against President Trump’s “zero tolerance” border policies, though it was memorable for other reasons.

It began around noon, as an Episcopalian priest delivered a prayer to about 100 protesters gathered around the gazebo and a man marched back and forth in front of her, shouting “womp, womp!”

“Holy and ever-loving God . . .” said the priest, Kerry Holder-Joffrion.

“Womp, womp!” said the man.

“We pray for the children of this nation and all nations . . .”

“WOMP, WOMP!”

The man was parroting former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, who had uttered the same sound on Fox News several days earlier during a discussion about migrant children being seized from their parents at the border. Lewandowski’s sarcastic “womp, womp” revolted many people — but also apparently inspired a certain segment of Trump’s supporters, as the people at Big Spring Park were now discovering.

“We offer your love to all of our children . . .” Holder-Joffrion continued.

“Womp, womp!”

This was not the man’s only message. He held a sign above his head on which was written “ICE ICE Baby,” and he occasionally shout-sang the notes of a hip-hop song by the same name over the prayer.

The man had a handgun tucked in his cargo pants, according to police.

After he had disrupted the first half of Holder-Joffrion’s prayer, a few protesters began drifting away from the audience to confront the man. A woman paced backward in front of him, holding her own sign in his face as he marched forward — “Super Callous Racist Fascist Sexist Braggadocious.”

“Where are your ancestors from?” someone asked the man.

“Alabama!” he answered.

Holder-Joffrion felt her stomach tighten but made up her mind to finish the prayer.

“I didn’t open my eyes, so that I could stay focused,” she told The Washington Post. “My voice gained volume as it became more chaotic.”

In fact, she nearly shouted her remaining verses, cheered on by the crowd while the man continued to shout in the background.

“We ask that you give us the strength in the face of the opposition not to hate, but to love,” Holder-Joffrion said, the lines coming to her in the moment. “Prayer is stronger than hatred!”

It was around this point that the gun came out.

A Huntsville police spokesman said the man — identified as 34-year-old Shane Ryan Sealy — pushed one of the protesters, who pushed him back and knocked him to the ground, at which point Sealy allegedly produced the weapon.

Holder-Joffrion still had her eyes closed, and she said her husband, Democratic congressional candidate Peter Joffrion, didn’t see a scuffle — just a protester telling Sealy to “leave, leave, leave, leave.”

In any case, the weapon came out of the waistband.

“Gun, gun, gun, gun!” someone shouted in video published by WAFF 48 — just as Holder-Joffrion was praying for the nation’s strength.

Panicked shouts drowned her out, and the camera turned from the priest to Sealy, about 15 feet from the gazebo, brandishing what appeared to be a pistol at the crowd.

Most people dropped. “I got down on my face on the other side of the gazebo right here and just cried, I was so in shock,” rally organizer Ava Caldwell told WBTV.

But several protesters remained upright. One man pointed directly at Sealy, shouting warnings that the man was armed.

Holder-Joffrion said she remained standing under the gazebo, eyes still shut in concentration, determined to finish her prayer no matter what happened.

The video shows Sealy putting the gun back in his waistband and backing away from the crowd, then turning around and walking quickly in the opposite direction.

Of the few protesters who followed him, most did so with obvious caution — one man still holding his “Brown People Are Still People” sign as he watched Sealy go.

But a white-haired man nearly sprinted in pursuit, tossing his cap to the ground as he chased Sealy toward a tree line.

Sealy didn’t make it that far. A police cruiser soon rolled across the grass to meet him, and then a second car approached from his left.

He put his hands up, still holding his “ICE ICE Baby” sign. A former high school teacher, according to AL.com, he was initially arrested for possessing a gun within 1,000 feet of a protest. But he would later be booked into jail on misdemeanor charges of menacing and reckless endangerment.

Holder-Joffrion had her eyes closed through most of the action. She said she remained under the gazebo, continuing her prayer through to “Amen.”

When she finally opened her eyes, she looked across the park and saw about half a dozen police officers standing over Sealy.

“I realized they’d been among us in the crowd all along,” she said.

All around her, people were shaking, crying and getting up from the ground. A young girl who had been scheduled to speak later in the rally was too traumatized to get the words out, Holder-Joffrion said.

Still, the protest went on. Holder-Joffrion said a pastor delivered a second prayer immediately after hers — this one in Spanish.
By the way, this is him:
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To people saying you should never pull a gun in a fistfight, are you exceptional? Even one vs one a good hit or kick can kill or give you brain damage.

So don't start a fistfight, or any kind of fight for that matter. Because you are not going to be able to claim the fight you started was a justification for then pulling a gun. You will be prosecuted, you will be prosecuted for a gun crime, these are almost always felonies, and you will permanently lose your right to have a gun because you will have shown you are an utterly irresponsible gun owner.
 
Fuck the legalities for a second.
You gonna exceptionally walk up to people to start an altercation then when they retaliate because your dumbass wants to act exceptional, you wanna pull out a gun? That's some fairy pussy shit there. The only scenario where a gun should be needed is if you have to stop someone who's in the process or about to start committing harm. This is just some harmless lefttrards that want to have a prayer in a park.
Yeah, 'cause you can beat a woman with your fists, right?
 
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So don't start a fistfight, or any kind of fight for that matter. Because you are not going to be able to claim the fight you started was a justification for then pulling a gun. You will be prosecuted, you will be prosecuted for a gun crime, these are almost always felonies, and you will permanently lose your right to have a gun because you will have shown you are an utterly irresponsible gun owner.
hey, at least we know the kind of dumbass he is and it's on tape (i bet there's more video on a cellphone or something somewhere) - let's hope he gets a visit from the boys in blue asking why he thought shoving a guy and pulling a gun was a hot idea? it's one step away from assault with a deadly weapon.

edit: i totally brain farted on him already being arrested
 
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Yeah, 'cause you can beat a woman with your fists, right?

Women are actually rather unfairly treated under self-defense laws, because when they do pull a gun to defend themselves against some guy beating the shit out of them and sending them to the hospital over and over, they're often prosecuted for murder and lose their self-defense claims, because he was "just" using his fists and they pulled a gun and shot him. They're supposedly obligated to wait until he pulls a knife or something, at which point it's too late.
 
You know fist fights don't work like on TV right? You don't just get hit in the head and wake up five minutes later with a headache.
You scared this is gonna happen to you again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tdd8zKyWyo
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Well that's the question isn't it? If it is and he started it than neckbeard is in the wrong. But given how obnoxious he is and how people have been behaving in protests lately I also wouldn't be surprised if he was assaulted in which case he would be justified (morally, if not legally) in pulling a gun as a deterrent.
> presuming the other party did something wrong

Not every protest has violence in it. Believe or not there are some people in this country that just protest peacefully. Exceptionally, but peacefully.
 
Women are actually rather unfairly treated under self-defense laws, because when they do pull a gun to defend themselves against some guy beating the shit out of them and sending them to the hospital over and over, they're often prosecuted for murder and lose their self-defense claims, because he was "just" using his fists and they pulled a gun and shot him. They're supposedly obligated to wait until he pulls a knife or something, at which point it's too late.

Huh? You can absolutely defend yourself with a gun if somebody is beating the shit out of you with their fists. At least in most states you can. You generally don't even have a duty to retreat if you are in your own home. Lots of states you don't even have a duty to retreat on the street. Maybe you mean women who shoot their abusive partner after the beating is over? The Zimmerman case comes to mind as the most controversial one illustrating this point of late.

Edit: you do have to think you or someone else is going to be grievously harmed or killed imminently though
 
Huh? You can absolutely defend yourself with a gun if somebody is beating the shit out of you with their fists. At least in most states you can. You generally don't even have a duty to retreat if you are in your own home. Lots of states you don't even have a duty to retreat on the street. Maybe you mean women who shoot their abusive partner after the beating is over? The Zimmerman case comes to mind as the most controversial one illustrating this point of late.

Edit: you do have to think you or someone else is going to be grievously harmed or killed imminently though
i think what he's getting at is that many women take the abuse over a very long period of time and when they finally do defend themselves to deadly affect, it isn't always clear cut.

there was a case where a woman killed her abusive husband while he was asleep after years of being tortured and terrorized.

another case was a woman using a butcher knife to stab her boyfriend to death and while he was out of the fight and laying on the floor, she slit his throat.

just this past couple years, a woman managed to fight off her husband while was pummeling her to death and retreated to a bedroom where she took her husband's handgun (he was a felon and it was stolen i think, or bought from some gangbanger) and shot him through the door as he was trying to force his way in.

the difficulty of many of these cases is where you must set aside your sympathies and met out what legal remedy there is as the law is clear on "immediate" danger, but no so much else.

a defense of justified homicide often is very narrowly defined as requiring the use of immediate deadly force to counter an immediate threat to yourself (and possibly another). the municipality and the state may have particular other laws around that core concept, but virtually all states the above holds true. if you have no immediate danger to yourself you will probably not be able to sustain a justified homicide defense. likewise circumstances surrounding the event can preclude the defense as well, such as "defending" yourself while committing a crime, or "defending" yourself without a clear and present immediate danger to life and limb.

in some places you have a duty to retreat from danger, or where you are defending yourself matters (a wholly enclosed yard vs a fenced yard). laws are rarely written in a way that conforms to the facts of a given case so neatly.
 
Huh? You can absolutely defend yourself with a gun if somebody is beating the shit out of you with their fists. At least in most states you can. You generally don't even have a duty to retreat if you are in your own home. Lots of states you don't even have a duty to retreat on the street. Maybe you mean women who shoot their abusive partner after the beating is over? The Zimmerman case comes to mind as the most controversial one illustrating this point of late.

Edit: you do have to think you or someone else is going to be grievously harmed or killed imminently though

I think you're mistaking "it's technically possible to not go to jail for shooting someone if x is happening" for "you can shoot somebody if x happens and you won't go to jail because the law protects you".

The law doesn't protect shit. If you shoot somebody, there's very few cases in which you aren't going to be severely punished. Especially if you're armed, they are not armed, and they aren't intruding into your home.
 
The law doesn't protect shit. If you shoot somebody, there's very few cases in which you aren't going to be severely punished. Especially if you're armed, they are not armed, and they aren't intruding into your home.

And in this particular case, there is not a very good argument that you were fearing for your life while you were shouting "WOMP WOMP" and pulling a gun.
 
I guess I'm behind on the news, but when I saw this headline, I didn't know it had any political implications until I looked it up. I thought it was just some crazy man yelling out gibberish, like he might as well have been yelling "AWOOOGAH".

Btw, why are people referring to it as "womp womp"? It's clearly "wah, wah". People should get their sound effects right.
 
It's even funnier in live-action:

Growing up religious, I was taught to pray in ernest and for good/beneficial things or else I would get a "stupor of thought" if what I was praying for was incorrect and/or not honest. Whether it was caused by the "womp womps" or not, hearing it for myself as the priest ends up going off on some weird tangent that had nothing to do with what they were coming together for, that phrase makes a lot more sense now.
 
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