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Go home and get your fuckin' shinebox
Many Saints of Newark - A movie with too many stories it wants to tell with not enough time
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Go home and get your fuckin' shinebox
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Shit sux. The only character who had a good ending was the black dude.
HE WASN'T EVEN A CHARACTER IN THE SOPRANOS!
HE WASN'T EVEN A CHARACTER IN THE SOPRANOS!
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Some things off the top of my head that made this movie absolute shit:
- they went thru the trouble of having Chris moltisanti narrate, but he only narrates 3 or 4 scenes. What was the point? It brought nothing to the film and they neglected to narrate the parts of the movie that needed explaining
- having scenes with score and scenes with a 60/70s soundtrack just didn’t work. Also the songs they picked were pretty weak.
- the only scene of tony actually doing something he’s stealing an ice cream to give out free ice cream to kids. What the fuck? Like most of the movie this seemed stupid and out of place. They’re gonna basically threaten the guys life for nothing? Much of the movie is like this, a bunch of nonsensical things going on for the sake of tying the characters behavior to their older self from the show
- silvio. They did an ok job with the rest of Tony’s crew, not making them a caricature of their older selves. But Silvio is just a disaster. He’s what Silvio would act and look like if they made a sopranos musical.
- no coherent story. Felt like some shitty art house movie at times. The pacing was terrible and there was no thought put into the order of scenes. The scene where tony asks dicky about the pills for Livia in the funeral home parking lot is immediately followed by tony going to the warehouse to follow up with dicky about the pills. What retard came up with that?
- speaking of retards, who’s idea was it to make young tony a ketchup eater? Why not just slap a stryrofoam helmet on him and have him run into walls in every scene? Michael seems like a decent enough actor but his script was dumb
- the ending. Holy shit that ending. They had a chance at a dignified final scene with tony looking out of the door at the diner. I could live with it. But to then go to Dickys funeral for 5 minutes, where nothing happens except livia acts like livia, then end it with a pinky promise from a ghost. And bring back the series music. I fucking lost it. I’ve never been so disgusted with a movie in my life.
- and finally what really made this movie garbage, the Leslie Odom character. The most common thing you hear fans of the show say is usually “they couldn’t make sopranos now”. And the whole black/race angle in this movie proves it. Not even hbo would be willing to just give us a story about a bunch of paisans. There has to be some retarded racial angle that eats up the plot. In the end we learn more about this faggot than anyone relevant to the story. They should have just named it No Sopranos For White Men. Tony would have called it Tarzan.
I hope David chase ends it there. He doesn’t deserve a chance to redeem himself. Let him stew in the filth he created until he dies.
- they went thru the trouble of having Chris moltisanti narrate, but he only narrates 3 or 4 scenes. What was the point? It brought nothing to the film and they neglected to narrate the parts of the movie that needed explaining
- having scenes with score and scenes with a 60/70s soundtrack just didn’t work. Also the songs they picked were pretty weak.
- the only scene of tony actually doing something he’s stealing an ice cream to give out free ice cream to kids. What the fuck? Like most of the movie this seemed stupid and out of place. They’re gonna basically threaten the guys life for nothing? Much of the movie is like this, a bunch of nonsensical things going on for the sake of tying the characters behavior to their older self from the show
- silvio. They did an ok job with the rest of Tony’s crew, not making them a caricature of their older selves. But Silvio is just a disaster. He’s what Silvio would act and look like if they made a sopranos musical.
- no coherent story. Felt like some shitty art house movie at times. The pacing was terrible and there was no thought put into the order of scenes. The scene where tony asks dicky about the pills for Livia in the funeral home parking lot is immediately followed by tony going to the warehouse to follow up with dicky about the pills. What retard came up with that?
- speaking of retards, who’s idea was it to make young tony a ketchup eater? Why not just slap a stryrofoam helmet on him and have him run into walls in every scene? Michael seems like a decent enough actor but his script was dumb
- the ending. Holy shit that ending. They had a chance at a dignified final scene with tony looking out of the door at the diner. I could live with it. But to then go to Dickys funeral for 5 minutes, where nothing happens except livia acts like livia, then end it with a pinky promise from a ghost. And bring back the series music. I fucking lost it. I’ve never been so disgusted with a movie in my life.
- and finally what really made this movie garbage, the Leslie Odom character. The most common thing you hear fans of the show say is usually “they couldn’t make sopranos now”. And the whole black/race angle in this movie proves it. Not even hbo would be willing to just give us a story about a bunch of paisans. There has to be some retarded racial angle that eats up the plot. In the end we learn more about this faggot than anyone relevant to the story. They should have just named it No Sopranos For White Men. Tony would have called it Tarzan.
I hope David chase ends it there. He doesn’t deserve a chance to redeem himself. Let him stew in the filth he created until he dies.
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The Sopranos was a fine show, but the list is Breaking Bad > Better Call Saul > Sopranos > The Wire.
I don't make the list, so don't blame me.
I agree with almost all of that. The ice cream thing I thought was fine, because Tony is a charismatic sociopathic; threatening to kill a dude, then handing out free ice cream, is in character for him. But it was definitely rushed, and could have been handled better.
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Agree. The movie was fanservice and had no real plot besides Dicky fucking his mom then being killed by Junior.
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On one hand, it was nice to have Michael Gandolfini play young Tony. On the other, I thought the kid couldn't act for shit, and outside of his name, nothing about him struck me as a young Tony Soprano. Maybe a nice middle-ground could have been for Michael Gandolfini to have a part in the young Tony selection process, but not have him play the role, himself? I figured he'd be the one to kill Dickie, so consider my expectations subverted. Overall, I liked it, but it wasn't great. All the racial stuff felt shoehorned in, almost like they shoved a whole mini-series worth of content into 120 minutes, which is probably how it should have been made to begin with. Stretch this out to say, eight episodes, and make young Tony a bit tougher of a kid, and you'd probably have something a lot more cohesive, and overall stronger. I still have no clue what set Tony on his mafia path, and I thought that would actually get explained. He just seemed like a bit of a troublemaker, but he didn't even really hurt or kill anybody. Ah well, saved for a sequel, I suppose
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Really?
I guess I must have missed it. Just the mental image of Ian McShane cursing like a drunk old sailor at old age warms my heart. Looks like I have to look it up online.
To be honest, it’s kind of unfair to put Better Call Saul in that list. It should be Breaking Bad > The Sopranos > Mad Men > The Wire. Even the latter two are debatable when it comes to quality of their last couple of seasons.
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That's fair. If you want to combine BCS with BB, then that's the list.
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Nope, Harold never even got a mention in the original series, totally new character
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If you mean the guy from the union riots it's this guy
Reverend James Jr.
Reverend James Jr. is a supporting character portrayed by Gregory Alan Williams. He is an African-American activist who protests the lack of jobs given to African-American workers at a construction site owned by Jack Massarone of Massarone Bros. Construction. He is first seen protesting outside...
(First name doesn't get mentioned in the wiki but it's Herman according to imdb)
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I think they mean the guy that was involved in the HUD scam. I know people thought Leslie Odom Jr would be playing him since I think he said he got into it with the Itallians during the Newark Riots or something.
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Huge Sopranos fan, this movie had a lot of issues. Acting is good, script seems like it had solid foundations but was edited constantly and the direction is just a mess.
The trailers focused too much on Tony when the movie was about Dickie, even the title was clear about that.
It was a nice attempt at making a movie about redemption (at least one in the Sopranos tradition of fucking things up), but it would have been better as a series of stories, with each movie focusing on a character and building up to a Tony film showing him being made.
The film tried to humanize Livia by making Jhonny more abusive than he was in the series, but honestly it didn't change my opinion of her and I felt nothing for her but loathing.
Fucking Junior, always a little man who was never good enough.
The trailers focused too much on Tony when the movie was about Dickie, even the title was clear about that.
It was a nice attempt at making a movie about redemption (at least one in the Sopranos tradition of fucking things up), but it would have been better as a series of stories, with each movie focusing on a character and building up to a Tony film showing him being made.
The film tried to humanize Livia by making Jhonny more abusive than he was in the series, but honestly it didn't change my opinion of her and I felt nothing for her but loathing.
Fucking Junior, always a little man who was never good enough.
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The Patrician's list is:
The Shield > Better Call Saul* > The Sopranos > The Wire = Breaking Bad
Breaking Bad and The Wire are pretty much equal, one is a lot more high brow but far less re-watchable, the other one is far more entertaining but pretty reddit at times. So it's really a toss up between both.
The Shield reigns supreme, however.
*subject to change depending on how they handle the final season
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Saw it in the theater with my girlfriend last week and initially, I did like it but felt it tried to cram too much into one movie.
Rewatched it again on my uncle's HBO Max and the flaws become a lot more apparent and the movie suffers because of it. It was more enjoyable seeing it in a theater but that might've been just my own personal experience.
As everyone else has said, the plot with the black gang was totally unneeded and felt shoehorned in by someone at HBO. It could've only paid off if they actually killed off Harold before the ending with Dickie's final fate.
Everything else is just rushed plots and callbacks to the original series and if I was in charge of the movie, here's how I'd handle it.
Rewatched it again on my uncle's HBO Max and the flaws become a lot more apparent and the movie suffers because of it. It was more enjoyable seeing it in a theater but that might've been just my own personal experience.
As everyone else has said, the plot with the black gang was totally unneeded and felt shoehorned in by someone at HBO. It could've only paid off if they actually killed off Harold before the ending with Dickie's final fate.
Everything else is just rushed plots and callbacks to the original series and if I was in charge of the movie, here's how I'd handle it.
1. Drop the part where Giuseppina bangs Harold. Instead, have her bang Tony like someone else mentioned or have Dickie kill her for some other reason. Hell, maybe even Junior could be the one who she sleeps with behind Dickie's back, which could add another aspect to the ending.
2. Either drop the angle with the black gang completely or shorten it and have Harold get killed on-screen. Maybe a young Willie Overall takes over Harold's gambling operations after Harold dies.
3. Ercole DiMeo should've been an actual character in the story and not just a "blink and you'll miss it" cameo where it's just David Chase in a black suit and tie at the funeral.
4. If you're going to have Christopher narrate, feature more of that and maybe at the end, you could return to the cemetery and have Tony's tombstone next to Christopher's and finally resolve the big debate on the finale once and for all.
2. Either drop the angle with the black gang completely or shorten it and have Harold get killed on-screen. Maybe a young Willie Overall takes over Harold's gambling operations after Harold dies.
3. Ercole DiMeo should've been an actual character in the story and not just a "blink and you'll miss it" cameo where it's just David Chase in a black suit and tie at the funeral.
4. If you're going to have Christopher narrate, feature more of that and maybe at the end, you could return to the cemetery and have Tony's tombstone next to Christopher's and finally resolve the big debate on the finale once and for all.
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The film would have been saved if the guy at Holsters offered Tony softdrinks of choice when he found out Dickie died.
Ok that's great, except replace Better Call Saul with either either Dexter, Homeland, Sons of Anarchy or The Shield. Better Call Saul is pretty the same as Breaking Bad (both are good, btw).
I say the Sopranos is still great because, even as a continuity show, it's not done in an operatic scale like Breaking Bad, The Wire, Dexter, Homeland, Sons of Anarchy, or The Shield.
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Sons of Anarchy was all over the place. When it was good, it was REALLY good. Best episodes were as good, or better than, The Pine Barrens, But I think Sopranos was more consistent, so I'd hesitate to put SoA over Sopranos.
Likewise, I'm not sure if Dexter was as good as Sopranos. As with SoA, when it was good, I think I enjoyed Dexter more than Sopranos - but other than the Melfi stuff, there wasn't a time I ever spaced out on the Sopranos (well, until now. I spaced out on several scenes during Saints of Newark.) With Dexter, as with SoA, entire seasons are just a blur. I might put D and S on an equal level, but I think it would be hard to justify saying Dexter > Sopranos, especially if we also assert that Sopranos > Mad Men.
If we were going to merge BB and BCS, and we needed to fill the gap, then Game of Thrones is better than the Sopranos. Twin Peak is certainly better than the Sopranos, maybe even better than BB, if you can get over the fact that there was only like a one and two-thirds seasons worth of quality episodes. And I'd put Ash vs Evil Dead, Cobra Kai, the Tudors, Kidding, and even Rome in the gap, too.