Marathon 2025 - Bungie's new AAAA Extraction shooter

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Oliver Onions said:
We just have to accept "Concord" is now the pejorative for a failed live service. I agree that nothing else is ever going to measure up to that level of failure again (because it was literally historical) but it is what it is.
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I'm looking forward to S3 of Marathon and people still calling it concord.
 
Jace on ice said:
Did Sneedbox ever release sales numbers for BL4?

I feel like people only talked about it for only like 2-3 days after release then it died completely.
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According to this article, the game sold $150,000,000 and had 2 million players when it came out. Which keep in mind Gearbox still considered a failure.

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According to the article

At $150 million in revenues (minus platform cuts), we estimate that Borderlands 4 is about 60-65% of the way to breaking even.
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Keep in mind this was from 8 months ago.
 
Jace on ice said:
I feel like people only talked about it for only like 2-3 days after release then it died completely.
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I only played it recently, but from what I've heard the game was absolutely fucked on launch on PC, and Gearbox weren't in too much of a rush to fix it. They just dropped the first DLC but from what I've seen the community isn't too impressed so I don't expect it to move the needle.

It's extremely obvious BL4 was rushed out the door. In the 8 months since release they've been unable to figure out what exactly they want to do with the game, and the endgame remains absolutely fucked to the point they can't even get basic shit right.

For example, when I first beat the campaign there were 2 options: start over with a new lv1 character or create a new lv30 character with the campaign beat.

Where it gets retarded is if you chose the lv30 option you still start like you'd never beaten the game: no fast travel points unlocked, no SDU upgrades (making the bank unusable because it shares inventory across all characters so will be full by default), you were basically starting from scratch except halfway to max level and with shit gear (and the game defaults the difficulty to TVHM1 making it almost impossible to kill anything).

Where it gets double-plus retarded is the devs eventually fixed this in an update, except they just broke it in the opposite direction so now if you restart with a with a lv1 character they'll have access to the full map right off the bat. As far as I can tell the only way to start a legitimate new playthrough would be to delete your save.

And even beyond all this it doesn't really matter because there's nothing to do in the endgame except complete bounties --only half of which are worth doing because anything that involves you carrying an item means you won't be able to use your vehicle and have to walk all the way back to a deposit box-- and farm the same 3 Primordial Vaults to get better gear to farm the same 3 Primordial Vaults.

It's legitimately amateur hour shit, they're evolving backwards.
 
Yea Griffin Gaming said he couldn't get more than 35 fps on his 5080 at medium settings which is fucking insane for a game with comic cell shaded graphics.
 
Oliver Onions said:
And even beyond all this it doesn't really matter because there's nothing to do in the endgame except complete bounties --only half of which are worth doing because anything that involves you carrying an item means you won't be able to use your vehicle and have to walk all the way back to a deposit box-- and farm the same 3 Primordial Vaults to get better gear to farm the same 3 Primordial Vaults.

It's legitimately amateur hour shit, they're evolving backwards.
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BL3, for all its gay nigger bullshit and horrific dialogue, really was a great game. Not as good as 2 and especially not 1 (I don’t think, short of someone shooting Randy in the head, they’ll ever get close to the peak of those two games). But 3 was a DAMN solid game with great guns, good endgame, good characters and skills, good DLCs, etc. 4 is just…fine. It’s fine. It’s not $480 million dollars fine.
 
Steven Chapman said:
4 is just…fine. It’s fine. It’s not $480 million dollars fine.
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I think TTW is still my favourite because it didn't bother with the open world bullshit and gave you a bunch of surprisingly varied maps to fuck around in. Its endgame was maybe even worse than 4 though.
 
Professor Donger said:
Kill something stronger than you and you grow, that's the entire point of the sword logic.
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It is basically an active form of the survival of the fittest. You not just survive, but go around to find someone stronger than you and challenge them. I believe it is actually the Hive's understanding of the "Final Shape": if all weak eliminated and only the strongest and sharpest is left than they are in the "final shape".

I actually like this part of the Destiny. There are some neat lore bits like the Hive hates necromancy (despite looking like Undead-like faction) and counts it as a Heresy since if weak lost then it has no right to live. This causes local Civil war since there some Hive members using Light and being able to resurrect themselves (unless Ghost is destroyed). Also the Taken King killed his son because he was necromancer and purge all mentions of him.
 
Vhailor said:
It is basically an active form of the survival of the fittest. You not just survive, but go around to find someone stronger than you and challenge them. I believe it is actually the Hive's understanding of the "Final Shape": if all weak eliminated and only the strongest and sharpest is left than they are in the "final shape
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Not just an understanding, it IS the winnowers idea of the final shape, aka the winner of the flower game pre universe.

However, using throne worlds to cheat death is not, any loser should be castigated to the past, Hive Gods lose without losing, which is sacrilegious to their own Sword logic, but they do it anyway out of cosmic legal loopholes they think are acceptable
 
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