Marathon 2025 - Bungie's new AAAA Extraction shooter

[big pauper]

Item descriptions are the most efficient way to deliver small, optional, exposition dumps on the player. At some point, a story teller has to explain their world some how, you cant realistically communicate every single detail purely through diegetic means with out pissing off and boring your audience to death. If every piece of world building has to emerge naturally through dialogue or environmental story telling, it would be boring as fuck. So you either just hide that lore from the player or you never bother to begin with, Settings feel more immersive when they don't feel like they are constructed for the plot that's currently happening, an entirely diegetic fueled story would have to cut out all the little things that make a world interesting.

description text that says shit like "combat pancreases are standard issue in the wetwork industry" is diagetic exposition. it's good. it will never take you out of the game world. it's a good way to dump exposition on the player.

description text that says shit like "these friggle sticks are a treat enjoyed by beings all across the galaxy!" is the kind of shit you would find in Mass Effect. The game literally would be better off without it - a cardinal sin in game design.

 

[Professor Donger]

Just read Unveiling and ignore the whole Witness debacle. Horrible retcon of good lore.

Them retconning the Fallen from clans of degenerate tech worshipping psycos to "just some immigrants who need help guys" will always be one of the lore changes that I will never forgive them for.

The fact that we are admonished for defending the planet they invaded is astounding to me. They tried the same shit with the Hive but pivoted because they forgot that they made them so evil that redeeming them wouldn't really work.

Them making Saint 14 and Osiris gay lovers is also a retcon that pisses me off, I remember some idiots who couldn't get off Bungies dick loving it and getting mad at me for pointing out that the relationship doesn't work if you used D1 as a reference. Since Destiny 1 has Osiris and Saint refer to each other as brothers, with the Speaker as their adoptive father.

Bungies butchering of the lore for that game is just fucking heartbreaking. Because there is some genuinely great shit to be had in the Destiny Universe, but Bungie couldn't help themselves.

Them doing the same to Marathon won't surprise me.

 

[Professor Donger]

No. Item descriptions are there to tell you what the fucking item does.

Have you never played a souls game?

If the designers of the game aren't retarded they can do both

 

[creaturestorm]

description text that says shit like "combat pancreases are standard issue in the wetwork industry" is diagetic exposition. it's good. it will never take you out of the game world. it's a good way to dump exposition on the player.

description text that says shit like "these friggle sticks are a treat enjoyed by beings all across the galaxy!" is the kind of shit you would find in Mass Effect. The game literally would be better off without it - a cardinal sin in game design.

I can’t see how those are different at all, they also aren’t digetic unless they are what the character is thinking in which case they could both be diegetic.

what are you seeing that makes them opposite?

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

The fact that we are admonished for defending the planet they invaded is astounding to me. They tried the same shit with the Hive but pivoted because they forgot that they made them so evil that redeeming them wouldn't really work.

And boy how! The Hive has, by the lore, Wiped out all known life except the races present in game, and likely in ways you can only imagine.

B-B-BILLIONS of years of running around doing that.

 

[StacticShock]

Have you never played a souls game?
If the designers of the game aren't retarded they can do both

i'll one-up you with DaemonXMachina 1 (2nd game gets rid of giant robots so i skipped it):

you can also change the stats are displayed too:

funny that they are both nipponese devs...

 

[Professor Donger]

And boy how! The Hive has, by the lore, Wiped out all known life except the races present in game, and likely in ways you can only imagine.

B-B-BILLIONS of years of running around doing that.

They are literally Destiny's version of Khorne worshippers

 

[The Doom Slayer]

Season 2/update details have been announced.

And yes, they're still doing the reset.

Season 2 Begins June 2​

 

[AMHOLIO]

Marathon's so boring it took 20+ posts to get back on topic.

 

[DiabeticSydePhil]

Season 2/update details have been announced.

And yes, they're still doing the reset.

Season 2 Begins June 2​

The reset is sunk cost fallacy as they insist they can survive being just like more successful extraction shooters, despite the fact it'll probably just kill the remaining interest to play their soulless game more.

The far funnier part is that they're basically throwing everything they can at the wall to make people start playing right now.

Guaranteed keys, guaranteed map events, the retard pvp map open every day instead of just the weekends.

It won't be enough, but we may see an uptick of players so blast havers can say Marathon is saved.

 

[big pauper]

I can’t see how those are different at all, they also aren’t digetic unless they are what the character is thinking in which case they could both be diegetic.

what are you seeing that makes them opposite?

the knowledge level of the narrator and the player and how the friction between them drives the narrative forward. you, the player, don't know anything. the game has to do a careful balancing act of you not knowing anything and not beating you over the head with exposition.

in cruelty squad that friction is resolved through details that explain that there's a lot of depth to the world that the player character is aware of but the details of it are unimportant. "what is a combat pancreas?" it's standard issue for assassins in the world of corporate espionage. through the lines, you can glean that there are metabolically enhanced assassins, and the assassin industry prefers them that way. lotta depth of world building in one line

What the fuck are friggle sticks? ok obviously they're food, but you could figure that out because the item says +10 food. What is a friggle? why do they make sticks out of them? Who enjoys them? why? Questions for the sake of questions, not for the sake of implying an answer. Its the kind of shit you would expect in Starfield. Wow, Food Sticks! I Sure Love Food Sticks! Everybody Loves Food Sticks!

 

[Steven Chapman]

The reset is sunk cost fallacy as they insist they can survive being just like more successful extraction shooters, despite the fact it'll probably just kill the remaining interest to play their soulless game more.

The far funnier part is that they're basically throwing everything they can at the wall to make people start playing right now.

Guaranteed keys, guaranteed map events, the retard pvp map open every day instead of just the weekends.

It won't be enough, but we may see an uptick of players so blast havers can say Marathon is saved.

Also, Tarkov doesn’t do resets anymore I think? They only “reset” because that’s when they would implement new updates while the game was still pre 1.0

Hunt Showdown doesn’t reset, neither does Delta Force’s extraction mode, or Arena. They all let you stockpile your shit. Retarded fuckin’ trannies man.

 

[evilsponge]

Ranked rewards for Season 1. If the runner cosmetic looks familiar its because its a slightly whiter versions of the sekiguchi skin with a blue visor/highlights

 

[creaturestorm]

I didn't believe this, because it makes 0 fucking sense, but many of you called it. They are going to make us regrind priority contracts (the season 1 storyline). This is so, so, fucking incredibly lazy. Lmao, what can you expect at this point?

What carries over are some one time benefits from having progged S1, cosmetics, cash shop currency, and the contracts you did to unlock the various factions.