Marathon 2025 - Bungie's new AAAA Extraction shooter

[Swine Schwein]

and by that I mean Jason Jones

I always thought he was just an autistic recluse for the last zillion years who didn't actually drive anything at the company anymore.

 

[Thomas Talus]

I talked about it over in the Destiny thread, and yeah, it's clear that Bungie (and by that I mean Jason Jones) wanted to move on from Destiny and were simply waiting for the right opportunity. They figured Marathon would do well enough to give them an excuse to drop Destiny for good and planned everything out in that direction, even moving huge amounts of staff over to Marathon to get it out the door.

There was a right time to do that, it was called The Final Shape.

 

[creaturestorm]

I talked about it over in the Destiny thread, and yeah, it's clear that Bungie (and by that I mean Jason Jones) wanted to move on from Destiny and were simply waiting for the right opportunity. They figured Marathon would do well enough to give them an excuse to drop Destiny for good and planned everything out in that direction, even moving huge amounts of staff over to Marathon to get it out the door.

It's crazy how no one saw this coming, but at the same time how apparent it became after the fact.

 

[moocow]

It's crazy how no one saw this coming, but at the same time how apparent it became after the fact.

Rich, coming from you.

But also lolno, literally everybody saw this coming, predicted it, openly cheered for it, and thinks is bloody hilarious to be proven right. Marathon's still dying next, with one hell of a friendly-fire casualty under its belt when it goes.

 

[King Dead]

I always thought he was just an autistic recluse for the last zillion years who didn't actually drive anything at the company anymore.

There was a long video posted over in the Destiny thread that goes into the history of Bungie, and it shows that while Jason maintains the illusion that he's not really responsible for anything going on, the fact is that he's still basically running the show, and what he wants to do is what the company does. Bungie has a long running trend of starting a project, getting it out despite gross mismanagement, then immediately spinning up a bunch of other projects because Jason hates working on the same thing for too long and wants to do something else. Instead of putting their resources where they should (or even where they're contractually obligated to), they fart around with whatever the fuck else they feel like doing until someone finally tardwrangles them into getting back to work.

It's long and kind of spastically edited, but the guy did his research and it shows. He even accidentally predicted Destiny's death long before it happened, though I doubt he could have seen it play out like this because it's just so stupid.

Post in thread 'Destiny 2'

Yesterday at 5:41 AM

Thank you for the correction on the Halo contract. I knew ODST was thrown in there to get out of it faster somehow, but it's fucking insane that even with that updated agreement, he still wanted to bail early and potentially bankrupt the studio. If anyone needs to be jettisoned out of the company for its own good, it's Jason.

And if you have a link to that documentary, I'd love to see it.

Here ya are, nigga. Dark side is a bit cringe but he’s a certified D2 hater so it’s chill. https://youtube.com/watch?v=6sHvRgBRl00

• Steven Chapman

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If you don't want to devote a couple hours to this, here's the "short" version:

Spoiler: a long history of incompetence

• Bungie makes Marathon 1 and 2, Jason wants to move on. Ex-Bungie devs that want to keep working on Marathon form Double Aught and produce Infinity.
• Bungie makes Myth I and II, Jason wants to move on. Myth III is produced by an entirely different studio.
• Bungie starts working on Halo, while some other teams are also working on other projects. Jason bounces between teams. Everything is mismanaged. Halo barely manages to launch due to all these other projects.
• Bungie farts around for a while working on various things until Microsoft is like "hey uh about that Halo 2 thing." They barely manage to scrape together the E3 2003 demo, Microsoft gives them a whole extra year to complete it, and Bungie still has teams working on other projects. Jason does not want to do Halo anymore. Halo 2 only has multiplayer because of a small team putting it together while the rest of the multiplayer worked on a massive 32-player mode that got scrapped. Halo 2 barely manages to launch.
• Halo 3 development starts off with power jockeying behind the scenes while Jason fucks off to God knows where. Bungie is still working on other projects during this time. Halo 3 barely manages to launch. Jason wants to be done with Halo altogether but they're still under contract with Microsoft for more games. Bungie works out a deal where ODST and Reach will satisfy their partnership with Microsoft, but they still try to fuck around and not deliver. Jason continues to be AFK working on other stuff, including what will eventually become Destiny. ODST and Reach barely manage to launch, Bungie goes independent again.
• Bungie spends years developing Destiny, including signing a contract with Activision for multiple games and expansions, despite their track record of Jason getting bored with an idea quickly and not wanting to develop sequels. Destiny has a turbulent development during which the entire story gets jettisoned and rebooted, and there was probably some power jockeying going on behind the scenes to eject Joe Staten. Bungie still fucks around with other projects while they're supposed to be working on Destiny. Destiny barely manages to launch.
• Bungie continues to devote company resources to side projects because Jason is already getting bored, despite the fact that they are under contract to produce more Destiny games. Bungie complains to Activision that it's too much work, so Activision gives them extra time and more studios to work on the game. Destiny 2 has another tumultuous development cycle with the whole thing getting rebooted in the eleventh hour, more power jockeying, more mismanagement, the same ol'. Jason has already checked out of Destiny by this point and continues to waste senior talent's time on more side projects. Destiny 2 barely manages to launch.
• Bungie keeps having issues with pumping out content for Destiny 2, but despite this, they break out of their Activision contract early and go independent again. More incubation projects keep getting spun up and canceled, Jason keeps looking for something new to do, they finally settle on rebooting Marathon as an extraction shooter. Marathon has another development shitshow, with the lead getting shitcanned for misconduct (and promptly suing because that cost him his vested stock options), the whole thing getting delayed and rebooted, and Destiny suffering for it. And all the while, they're still putting devs on side projects like Matter that don't go anywhere. Marathon barely manages to launch.

And now we're in the present day, where Jason is almost assuredly about to get bored with Marathon, if he isn't already, and will be wanting to pivot to something new very soon. All those blast havers are going to be in for a rude awakening when there are no more blasts to have.

 

[creaturestorm]

But also lolno, literally everybody saw this coming, predicted it, openly cheered for it, and thinks is bloody hilarious to be proven right. Marathon's still dying next, with one hell of a friendly-fire casualty under its belt when it goes.

I dont think there is a post on this forum that predicted Bungie killing Destiny 2 nearly 3 months out from Marathon's release, but okay. Pretty sure every one was saying it was Marathon that was going to be killed off in 2 weeks post release.

I know youre bored and angry, but I'm not interested in entertaining it and filling the void in you with an internet slap fight.

 

[BoomerSperg1922]

Pretty sure every one was saying it was Marathon that was going to be killed off in 2 weeks post release.

I'll be the first to admit that I am wrong but also that this is way, way funnier than that would have been.

 

[creaturestorm]

I'll be the first to admit that I am wrong but also that this is way, way funnier than that would have been.

No one saw this shit coming, because its fucking insane. They would of been better off betting 4 billion at a roulette table. They are taking the most insane gamble with Marathon.

 

[The Lаughing Man]

You are a fucking retard and subscribe to the owning nothing and being happy model, they can kill the server at any time and obsolete any and everything you spent into it

I personally want Valve to lose their lawsuit on "trading cards" so they stop making live service slop where idiots pay $27k for Jpegs wrapped around a mesh and I hate Valve as much as Epic Goyims in that regard so yes Fuck Valve too

Deadlock is tumblr art dreck and for soylords and fujoshis who masturbate to mpreg, I want fucking Half Life 3 and I do not want Catherine's character smut design turned into a game and its for a certain kind of gooner

I want cool armor and badass design, not the women who draw Harry Potter getting impregnated in games

There are enough attractive female characters that cumbrains can touch themselves to which is why Marvel Rivals is gay and appeals to neckbeards who have never taken a woman's clothes off, I want to live out a power fantasy in Terminus Armor or the Praetor suit

Valve sucks, they did what any corpo would've done and took advantage of an untapped market of pvp only gamers. Your average counter strike or dota 2 player (tens of millions btw) literally doesn't care about pve only campaigns or half-life 3.
If it wasn't Valve, it would've been some other company sooner or later who would've come up with the business model that just happens to be better than a subscription model or pay for patches/dlcs. Deadlock is just dota 2 for zoomers, obviously the character designs suck but you could say that for any game for zoomers. The game is fun though, probably one of the best live-service derivatives, gameplay wise.

 

[United Abominations]

Valve sucks, they did what any corpo would've done and took advantage of an untapped market of pvp only gamers. Your average counter strike or dota 2 player (tens of millions btw) literally doesn't care about pve only campaigns or half-life 3.
If it wasn't Valve, it would've been some other company sooner or later who would've come up with the business model that just happens to be better than a subscription model or pay for patches/dlcs. Deadlock is just dota 2 for zoomers, obviously the character designs suck but you could say that for any game for zoomers. The game is fun though, probably one of the best live-service derivatives in the coming years, gameplay wise.

Deadlock is not Dota 2 for Zoomers, its TF2 for trannies

Counterstrike and Dota 2 players are idiots with no attention span who are dumb enough to waste real world cash on skins, there is no greater argument to be made that they are retards than paying for something that was a free mod in CS Source

I do not need to say anything more that you guzzle semen if you enjoy Pedcock based on this design below

 

[Schizo Carmen Sandiego]

I dont think there is a post on this forum that predicted Bungie killing Destiny 2 nearly 3 months out from Marathon's release

Is this close enough?

If marathon doesn’t gain steam QUICK, then I think Bungie is absorbed as a PS “support studio” and Destiny is either shut down or given to another studio.

 

[Snekposter]

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention when it comes to the Jedi games: you don't lose all your collected stuff for bullshit depowering reasons in the sequel. All your saber forms and your force talents are still there, and you get new and better ones on top of those.

 

[Steven Chapman]

Is this close enough?

I didn’t wanna be prophetic, I’m retarded and therefore I actually like Destiny .

 

[creaturestorm]

Is this close enough?

I just conferred with the judges and they say it's close enough.

I didn’t wanna be prophetic, I’m retarded and therefore I actually like Destiny .

well that explains it.

 

[moocow]

Is this close enough?

For that Bungie ballwashing stooge? Nah. Remember, he's undoubtedly delighted now that his preferred game is not currently on the chopping block in lieu of its ancestor. Amazing how he was so gung-ho about this garbage when it launched and it's taken weeks for him to slowly "realize" how shit the game is and has only regained his post-shilling confidence now that another Bungie product has eaten shit first. His entire MO post-launch has been to "prove" how much better Marathon is than all the naysayers maintain. It's only recently toned down now that shit's gotten real over at Bungie.

 

[creaturestorm]

Nah. Remember, he's undoubtedly delighted now that his preferred game is not currently on the chopping block in lieu of its ancestor

I'm actually not happy about Destiny 2 dying. Marathon is the first Bungie game I've played in like a decade or more, I've got no bones to pick with Bungie and I'm not some kind of obessive chart poster. I don't gain anything out of this.

Also I dont know how you think this some how saves marathon, it's still currently on the chopping block.

Bungie is on the chopping block.

it's taken weeks for him to slowly "realize" how shit the game is

I still like the PvP in Marathon, but it's taken me weeks to hit endgame and alot has changed since then. Meta's have changed, Buffs/Nerfs have occurred, and right now if you arent seeing gold and purple gear constantly you've absolutely wasted your time.

I'm at a point where game play loop completely breaks and there is nothing to do other than PvP and while I do enjoy the PvP, I don't enjoy it enough to spike my cortisol to their maximums every time I jump into a raid. I'm not much of a gambler. I'd rather just play a game that's focused entirely on pvp with faster respawns than feel high highs and low lows of Marathon.

I enjoyed the game more when loot had value, shot guns killed people, and finding another gun felt like progress.

His entire MO post-launch has been to "prove" how much better Marathon is than all the naysayers maintain. It's only recently toned down now that shit's gotten real over at Bungie.

I still genuinely think the game is better than the internet consensus. A lot of the criticism is fair, but people are also acting like it’s completely unplayable garbage when I’ve been having a BLAST with it.

If this game continues to survive, it probably wont be something I'd continue to play, but we will see. Maybe this wont turn into pure Destiny slop out of desperation.

Also, I'm not some kind of religious zealot over Marathon/Destiny. My opinion can change, and it will change as i talk to people and get their perspective. I'm not locked into some fucking retarded world view, such as yourself.

 

[Oliver Onions]

These quality singleplayer games that sell well are still considered to not be enough by leadership and shareholders, from what I gather. In terms of ratio of production cost to net profit, they want to see numbers as big as possible, simply being profitable is not enough.

Isn't this exactly what happened with Spider-Man 2? I remember reading they cancelled all the planned DLC because the base game didn't sell enough. I feel like Ragnarok underperformed as well, although I have no basis for that other than the fact I fucking hate that game.

 

[AN/ALR56]

Good thing is that if Bungie collapses, that means myth, og marathon, oni and probably even the original halo concepts (with another name, or subsumed into the marathon universe) IPS would suddenly become available and for pennies.

It would be hilarious if Marty and Joe Staten started a indie company and bought them next year after Sony closes the shop.

 

[Pod 042]

I'm at a point where game play loop completely breaks and there is nothing to do other than PvP

That's what extraction shooter endgames are, what were you expecting? It's not like Bungie's was going to somehow be any different. You looted all the best stuff and now you have 3 options.
1)kill players with the best stuff for the sake of using what you acquired
2)die to someone in game to be their big "loot pinata" moment and continue the cycle
3)quit until reset and then grind it again, and again, and again and again
Are you having a blast yet?

I'd rather just play a game that's focused entirely on pvp with faster respawns than feel high highs and low lows of Marathon.

Sounds like Marathon didn't need to exist. That's nuts.

I enjoyed the game more when loot had value, shot guns killed people, and finding another gun felt like progress.

Hmmmm..a game where the guns and loot you acquired mattered long term, instead of just being temporary dopamine hits or sitting in a vault, What an interesting concept. It's almost like you wanted a "looter shooter" of sorts, maybe with activities where you could take that loot and put it to work earning more loot. It's such a novel concept, I don't think we've ever seen a game do that before :^].

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I'm giving you a hard time but mostly for fun and because I've been seeing your exact sentiments elsewhere inside the Marathon community and it's maddening. If the narrative around Marathon from its own player base becomes, "why isn't this [insert basically destiny 3 by another name]" because they, in fact, didn't want a extraction shooter I'm going to have the biggest laugh ever at Bungie and Sony for being so retarded.