Marijan Š Šiklić Article

[Marjan Šiklić]

the photos he thinks are me are of 5-6 different people. one was my avatar and he claims this proves it is me.

other than that, it is full of speculation that 1. has no place in any article 2. is just designed to try and dox somebody. anybody.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

How so? You do occasionally skim over posts, no?

yes, i occasionally do all the tactics he mentions. i also reply to a lot of posters fully.

then his mentions of my "fallacies" - what does the fact that some countries do have legalized prostitution and my reply that not all have (thus are not nearly co-alpha) have to do with evasion?

i told him why he's wrong about me being entitled because it wasn't my fault i had a phobia and wasn't taught to break spines - he glosses over that and claims it's a fallacy. how? how would a 13 yo know to snap necks without being told so and while being taught that women don't want their legs broken?

 

[Null]

the photos he thinks are me are of 5-6 different people. one was my avatar and he claims this proves it is me.

other than that, it is full of speculation that 1. has no place in any article 2. is just designed to try and dox somebody. anybody.

dude tbh nobody cares. im going to leave the article as it is because i can't justify spending time correcting it and i dont want to give host to the mad diatribes of a dipshit like you.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

anyway, that's just some examples. will any of that be changed? if not, what's the point of my writing my own article? this one, written by a lunatic, seems ok to you?

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

dude tbh nobody cares. im going to leave the article as it is because i can't justify spending time correcting it and i dont want to give host to the mad diatribes of a dipshit like you.

so let me correct it the way i described here. i will change nothing else. the current one is insane and has nothing to do not just with my views but any logic.

 

[Yog-Spergoth]

anyway, that's just some examples. will any of that be changed? if not, what's the point of my writing my own article? this one, written by a lunatic, seems ok to you?

If you write your own article, if it's true, it can act as a counterpoint. The truth always shines through.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

If you write your own article, if it's true, it can act as a counterpoint.

And where would I publish it, given that Null doesn't even want to listen to these objections, which are based on basic logic and some very basic viewpoints of mine?

This article now is written by a 1. lunatic 2. feminist 3. stalker 4. generally insane person.

 

[Yog-Spergoth]

And where would I publish it, given that Null doesn't even want to listen to these objections, which are based on basic logic and some very basic viewpoints of mine?

This article now is written by a 1. lunatic 2. feminist 3. stalker 4. generally insane person.

Here on the Farms. Where else would people pay more attention to it?

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

Ok, I'll try the first part

Holden, more commonly known on the internet as Caamib, is a Serbo-Croatian[7][8] incel blogger who expands his full time crusade against what he sees as modern day feminism and liberalism on a regular base to other websites such as reddit, several forums and blogs and even the Kiwi Farms themselves. On the latter, he managed to cause probably the fastest growth of a single thread ever documented[9]. Holden managed to accumulate more negative ratings than all other users combined in an incredible short amount of time, mostly due to his extremely abrasive and disrespectful behaviour, the misanthropic and highly misogynist views he displayed and the resulting postings he left on the forum.

An extremist[10] even by love-shy and incel standards, he continuously argues that almost all Western women (the exceptions being Hasidic Jewish, Amish and possibly Mormon women[11]) secretly crave for being raped by men, since they are attracted to stupidity and immorality rapists present. He calls these men (which consist of the vast majority of men in the West) rape apes. If women are being raped by incels however, they somehow succeed in identifying their rapist as loveshy incel and in those cases, they take offence in being raped and hate their rapist – not for raping them, but for being raped by an incel[12][13]. The reason he himself is not able to get a partner is because every Western female is able to spot the fact that he is an incel/loveshy immediately, so they automatically despise him.
However, the general outlook for womanhood in Holden's vision of a good society is quite different from what it is now and from what it used to be in the past. Since all women are essentially different beings to men[14], since "they aren't self aware and have no sense of fairness"[15] and no sympathy for men[16] and since they are therefore incapable of organising society and not interested in governing because of anything else than base motives, they all should be denied the right to vote and the possibility to assume positions of power. Furthermore, they (and they exclusively) should be obliged to keep their virginity until marriage or become prostitutes. These prostitutes can also consist of former feminists and their daughters forced into sex slavery[17][18][19] and can be as young as twelve years old[20]. These prostitutes would be frequently visited in easily available brothels according to Holden's utopia[21].
Holden himself is part of a special category of men, the so-called CoAlphas. This makes him a highly intelligent and decent man whose mating strategy would consist of a monogamous relationship with a virtuous woman and being part of the higher classes[22] if only society was as sane as he is.
But since almost all societies in world are insane to a certain degree, he was and is bound to spend a considerable amount of time on his blog, where he tried to systemise his worldview and clad it into an intellectual framework of some idiosyncratic kind of reactionary philosophy of history and nature.

He received coverage for both his real life and internet actions on established media platforms. There was news coverage when he decided to post his murder-suicide claim[23] of a girl which he destroyed a chance with a love-shy forum, and he was prominently featured for hisGovernments Get Girlfriends protests[24][25][26], when he protested nakedly in front of Croatian government buildings for the establishment of a state-run dating agency which would provide dates for men affected by Involuntary Celibacy.

Holden has an unshakable belief in his own infallibility, which fueled the essay that he sees as his own magnum opus, The story of your incel – an inconvenient truth.

Corrections

-names unimportant, used just first name on Der Spiegel article, I don't post under personal names. So that's just a doxxing attempt.
- I don't post on radfem blogs.
- "outcast" by LS standards? Been a senior member almost 7 years. Extremist, ok, sure, outcast? No. He has no access to enough forums to know that.
- it doesn't matter what it seems to that lunatic
- I never posted any plans- plans include at least a somewhat longer explanation aside from "I will do that". Nor were there any. Bad wording.
- We never really dated, and certainty not for that long
- wtf is this body language thing? Where does he get that? No citations, nothing. Has he seen me irl to make such claims? Has he posted such claims by others who have? No?
- entitlement thing, explained - who can expect a teenager who's being told that women don't want to be killed to know that they want to be killed?
-unwarranted self- righteousness - again, just an insult, which doesn't mean anything.
- my social situation what? How does it even fit there?

There, I just corrected his nonsense. I didn't whitewash anything at all, and if I have I'd like somebody other than that lunatic to explain why. I left everything that was true, like the 12 yo prostitutes thing or women being raped (even expanded on that, explaining why).

Looks much cleaner and neater as well now. I could go on later.

 

[Yog-Spergoth]

Ok, I'll try the first part

Holden, more commonly known on the internet as Caamib, is a Serbo-Croatian[7][8] incel blogger who expands his full time crusade against what he sees as modern day feminism and liberalism on a regular base to other websites such as reddit, several forums and blogs and even the Kiwi Farms themselves. On the latter, he managed to cause probably the fastest growth of a single thread ever documented[9]. Holden managed to accumulate more negative ratings than all other users combined in an incredible short amount of time, mostly due to his extremely abrasive and disrespectful behaviour, the misanthropic and highly misogynist views he displayed and the resulting postings he left on the forum.

An extremist[10] even by love-shy and incel standards, he continuously argues that almost all Western women (the exceptions being Hasidic Jewish, Amish and possibly Mormon women[11]) secretly crave for being raped by men, since they are attracted to stupidity and immorality rapists present. He calls these men (which consist of the vast majority of men in the West) rape apes. If women are being raped by incels however, they somehow succeed in identifying their rapist as loveshy incel and in those cases, they take offence in being raped and hate their rapist – not for raping them, but for being raped by an incel[12][13]. The reason he himself is not able to get a partner is because every Western female is able to spot the fact that he is an incel/loveshy immediately, so they automatically despise him.
However, the general outlook for womanhood in Holden's vision of a good society is quite different from what it is now and from what it used to be in the past. Since all women are essentially different beings to men[14], since "they aren't self aware and have no sense of fairness"[15] and no sympathy for men[16] and since they are therefore incapable of organising society and not interested in governing because of anything else than base motives, they all should be denied the right to vote and the possibility to assume positions of power. Furthermore, they (and they exclusively) should be obliged to keep their virginity until marriage or become prostitutes. These prostitutes can also consist of former feminists and their daughters forced into sex slavery[17][18][19] and can be as young as twelve years old[20]. These prostitutes would be frequently visited in easily available brothels according to Holden's utopia[21].
Holden himself is part of a special category of men, the so-called CoAlphas. This makes him a highly intelligent and decent man whose mating strategy would consist of a monogamous relationship with a virtuous woman and being part of the higher classes[22] if only society was as sane as he is.
But since almost all societies in world are insane to a certain degree, he was and is bound to spend a considerable amount of time on his blog, where he tried to systemise his worldview and clad it into an intellectual framework of some idiosyncratic kind of reactionary philosophy of history and nature.

He received coverage for both his real life and internet actions on established media platforms. There was news coverage when he decided to post his murder-suicide claim[23] of a girl which he destroyed a chance with a love-shy forum, and he was prominently featured for hisGovernments Get Girlfriends protests[24][25][26], when he protested nakedly in front of Croatian government buildings for the establishment of a state-run dating agency which would provide dates for men affected by Involuntary Celibacy.

Holden has an unshakable belief in his own infallibility, which fueled the essay that he sees as his own magnum opus, The story of your incel – an inconvenient truth.

Corrections

-names unimportant, used just first name on Der Spiegel article, I don't post under personal names. So that's just a doxxing attempt.
- I don't post on radfem blogs.
- "outcast" by LS standards? Been a senior member almost 7 years. Extremist, ok, sure, outcast? No. He has no access to enough forums to know that.
- it doesn't matter what it seems to that lunatic
- I never posted any plans- plans include at least a somewhat longer explanation aside from "I will do that". Nor were there any. Bad wording.
- We never really dated, and certainty not for that long
- wtf is this body language thing? Where does he get that? No citations, nothing. Has he seen me irl to make such claims? Has he posted such claims by others who have? No?
- entitlement thing, explained - who can expect a teenager who's being told that women don't want to be killed to know that they want to be killed?
-unwarranted self- righteousness - again, just an insult, which doesn't mean anything.
- my social situation what? How does it even fit there?

There, I just corrected his nonsense. I didn't whitewash anything at all, and if I have I'd like somebody other than that lunatic to explain why. I left everything that was true, like the 12 yo prostitutes thing or women being raped (even expanded on that, explaining why).

Looks much cleaner and neater as well now. I could go on later.

Not too bad, actually. May I read and get back to you?

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

Also, interesting how he doesn't mention Der Spiegel article at all. The only certain mention of my first name, two days of interviews, a million people reading it. So I'd include that as well.

 

[Yog-Spergoth]

Also, interesting how he doesn't mention Der Spiegel article at all. The only certain mention of my first name, two days of interviews, a million people reading it. So I'd include that as well.

What is a Der Spiegel article?

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

Name

Holden has given his first name as Marijan in the Der Spiegel article from August 2014. He has not disputed this himself.

His middle and surname are harder to validate and subject to various speculation due to contradictory and unconfirmed information. He has never given out any himself though the supposed article on his arrest from September 2008 claims it starts with Š.

Corrections

- This is the only thing he or anybody else knows. The rest is his insane speculations, including those on my mother's maiden name (the hell?). Cities in Iran and Iraq? 17th century saints? It seems he put anything he could google up about these terms, even if completely irrelevant and unrelated. It's competently insane.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

What is a Der Spiegel article?

https://caamib.wordpress.com/2014/12/13/takis-wurger-article-on-incel/

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

Timeline
Due to his blog and his overall talkative nature on reddit and several forums, it is possible to compose quite a coherent résumé with a lot of details about his everyday behaviour, his general attitude in life and his development.
He was bullied in primary school and began experiencing frequent depressions during his years in secondary school. And his pursuit of a partner, which started about that time, brought him nothing but pain and frustration so far.

- (except I have not done so would be the correct way to end the first sentence)
- mental problems and depressions are the same thing, he has no evidence of other problems. So put one of the two. I put depressions since it's a more narrow and correct term
- the part about therapists being a part of TAC and TAC being responsible for me not getting a gf is something he just straight out makes up. In fact, therapists here are quite sane and not that liberal. TAC is just a name for intolerant liberals, it isn't the cause behind every modernist policy. So he's just rambling again.
- TAC and fschmidt are the same thing in the context of who created a sick society , he didn't eclipse it, that's nonsense. So that entire part should just be deleted.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

As with many things in the world, Holden's view on men and women are extreme to say the least. He seems to be an adherent of strict biological determinism when it comes to gender. He states that sex is something men want and women give, so "my point is that a woman taking advantage of a man sexually is like somebody giving you money against your will"[31]. Men seem to be capable of organizing societies and cooperating.
Women on the other hand are completely unable to do that for any other reasons than selfish ones and therefore should be excluded from political decision-making. He says it is men went into a decline and gave women political power

Corrections

(this isn't a correction but a note - it's kinda silly when ignorant nutters use terms like biological determinism but ok)
- sex drive that needs to be fulfilled immediately? what does that even mean? that men have to have sex 24/7? crazy, just crazy. sex is something men want and women give.
- i explained why his societies nonsense is irrelevant to his point
-same with views on women - i said it is men who gave women the political power. Women didn't topple shit.

 

[CatParty]

why don't we add @Holden's self written entry as proof that everything in the wiki entry proper is correct. if anything it's a good laugh

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

why don't we add @Holden's self written entry as proof that everything in the wiki entry proper is correct.

That's how you usually reason and debate, yeah.

 

[CatParty]

That's how you usually reason and debate, yeah.

what i am saying is that you are a joke to be laughed at and whatever you write proves contradictory to your assertion that you are in some way mentally competent. now i know that being from eastern europe, english and the written language are not your forte, but you can't blame your autism for missing the point i was making

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

so, anybody sane willing to comment on my corrections? horse, would you like to include these?