Disaster "Mass casualty incident" declared after Key Bridge in Baltimore collapses

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No article yet as this just happened, but could be big. One of the largest bridges in the world according to Wikipedia.


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This may seem inappropriate but I can't help but notice that the reaction here seems to be way different from how people reacted to the 9/11 attacks, where people were openly mocking it the same day. In this incident, people are mourning & empathizing with the people falling off the bridge, where 9/11 elicited jeering & mockery. I wonder what the difference is between this bridge and the twin towers.
Yeah we know Brits are faggots.
 

The bridge is part of the I-695 loop around Baltimore. The oversized cargo can literally just go the other way around the loop and reach the same place. Adding an hour to shipping time is not crippling the supply chain all that much.

If this was some super-duper Chinese 4-D cyber chess attack on the container ship to cripple the ability of the US to ship hazardous material then it was a pretty shit plan.
 
The collapse of the west demonstrated as clearly as day, ironic cause it happened at night. How much longer will it take us today to rebuild this infrastructure as fast as it's falling? Wasn't even taking ship ramming into account before now. RIP anyone stuck blind on that bridge and not even knowing what happened as they fell into the fucking void. Awful.
Meh, it's Baltimore. Niggers and illegals aren't really touching my heartstrings.
 
I'm waiting for the news that the bridge was supposed to have upgraded protection systems years ago, but all the money went to niggers, faggots, and niggerfaggots.
Apparently it was "up to code", but specifically a '70s code that did not allow for a neopanamax full of pajeets plowing into it.
Somebody in the thread mentioned somewhere Joe Biden mandated new "eco-friendly" engines be put on cargo ships that enter the USA's territorial waters. The problem is these engines don't put out enough power and the ships electrical are not optimized for its short circuits happen "all the time", but this is the first time it's happened at possibly the worst moment.

Anyone who actually knows anything about this care to opine?
 
I know the power went out on the ship but don't these big container ships have bow and stern thrusters? On the great lakes theres lots of tight turns in ports and they very rarely use tug boats. Only the foreign ships use them.

Bow thrusters on a boat that size are probably electrically driven. They either lost all power or at least vital systems that control important stuff.
Could it have been epic haxx0rs? Yes. But more likely just a fuckup at a bad time. That ship had crashed once before.
I'm not sure of this ships fitment, but some do come with a bow thruster. THey arent going to do much but help spin the bow around or shove you into the dock, and to help hold you on station (staying in one place but without your anchor). You dont really use them under way as the hydrodynamics wont make them effective. In an "oh shit" scenario I'd use anything at my disposal though.

You could use them in low speed maneuvering, but you'd be surprised how well you can navigate with two screws and two rudders in a river or inlet.

These thrusters on these large vessels are hydraulic, powered by electric pumps...or all electric. They wouldnt work in a situation where you had power going in and out and would be the last thing on someone's mind in an emergency.

Had they somehow gotten it working, they could have maybe countered some of the turn earlier on, but unless you pair the change in boat direction with propulsion, you will not see much net change in heading. The might have hit the piers amidships instead of head on, with the same results, or worse.

The NTSB report on this is going to be fascinating, since we had so much live visual camera footage etc. Fuck government agencies, but the NTSB usually does a good job on their investigations.

Indians are closer to cockroaches than Turks are.
Rude. Not untrue. Just rude.
 
Somebody in the thread mentioned somewhere Joe Biden mandated new "eco-friendly" engines be put on cargo ships that enter the USA's territorial waters. The problem is these engines don't put out enough power and the ships electrical are not optimized for its short circuits happen "all the time", but this is the first time it's happened at possibly the worst moment.

Anyone who actually knows anything about this care to opine?
Its BS - I believe the poster corrected themselves in a later post saying it was more "eco-friendly" diesel, which might be true, but probably isn't.

A ship built 20 years ago, moored and registered in a different country - isn't going to change engines out just because Papa Joe asks them too.

The Biden admin has been encouraging newly built container ships to start using electric (in lieu of diesel-electric) or methanol fueled engines. But there isnt any widespread adoption of that yet.
 
Somebody in the thread mentioned somewhere Joe Biden mandated new "eco-friendly" engines be put on cargo ships that enter the USA's territorial waters. The problem is these engines don't put out enough power and the ships electrical are not optimized for its short circuits happen "all the time", but this is the first time it's happened at possibly the worst moment.

Anyone who actually knows anything about this care to opine?
This horseshit has been covered at least once and is still horseshit.
 
It just seems very odd to me that they seem to swerve into it. If power goes off, and it seems to be going on and off at least once why would you expect to swerve? These ships have huge inertia, it should have kept its course but instead it swerves.
They did drop one of them. The inertia is just too large because the ship was loaded with containers

It's like a train , there's no way it could have stopped in time.

Best bet would have been to try to steer it down the channel under the bridge, but the pilot only had seconds to respond in pitch-black power-out darkness in the middle of the night while panicking.

It sounds like when the power flickered back on, the pilot dropped anchor and reversed the prop to try to slow down, but this action might have caused a loss of the ship's directional control, and it slammed into the pylon.
I wonder if the anchor drop is what caused that swerve into the support structure? That would be hilarious and awful. Somebody put the Benny Hill soundtrack behind
the video and little brown figures jumping up and down freaking out.
There might be some informative posts amongst all the shitposts, and you can certainly say things that aren't permitted elsewhere, but I would be disappointed in Kiwi Farms if half the posts after 9/11 (if it had been around then) weren't making fun of New York and incredibly tastelessly funny.

Also, for all the people saying you can't stop a fuckoff huge boat like that, the damn bridge DID stop it. It just suffered a bit of damage doing so.
People who believe that their emotional state regarding any disaster matters beyond themselves confuse me.
Laugh, cry, sleep, eat a bunch of carbs, feel nothing. It doesn't matter to anybody but you. If you have the choice between laughing or crying,
which often you will not, why the fuck would you choose tears? Make the fuckin joke.
Meh, it's Baltimore. Niggers and illegals aren't really touching my heartstrings.
Nobody awake at that hour and travelling is a proper niggo. Those were blue collar normies.
 
It'd be nice if we had more specs on the vessel's actual plant. Wikipedia now has an article on the ship itself.


Construction of Dali began in 2014 in HD Hyundai Heavy Industries' Ulsan shipyard in South Korea.[5] The ship is based on the "Hyundai 9000 wide beam" design, modified to increase container capacity from 9,034 TEU to 9,962 TEU by relocating the wheelhouse from three-quarters aft to a more forward position.[8] Dali and her sister ship Cezanne[9] were christened with the names of the painters, Salvador Dalí and Paul Cézanne.[4] Both vessels were delivered to owner Oceanbulk Maritime SA in early 2015, for charter by Maersk.[8] Dali was registered in Majuro, Marshall Islands.[10]

General characteristics
Class and typeNeopanamax container ship
Tonnage
Length299.92 m (984 ft 0 in)
Beam48.2 m (158 ft 2 in)
Draught15.03 m (49 ft 4 in)
Depth24.8 m (81 ft 4 in)
Installed powerMAN-B&W 9S90ME-C9.2; 41,480 kW (55,630 hp)
PropulsionSingle shaft; fixed pitch propeller
Speed22 knots (41 km/h; 25 mph)
Capacity9,971 TEU

The "Hyundai 9000 wide beam" part is key, because it gives us an opportunity to look for other ships of a similar class for even more data, since all these marine database sites are so stingy on their data about the Dali (most of them want a subscription of some kind; completely ridiculous).

A quick search reveals another ship of the same class, the Jenny Box, ordered by Maersk.


The ship was renamed the Saltoro. Another search for "Maersk Saltoro" gives us even more data and photos on this type of vessel. It looks practically identical to the Dali.


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FlagSingapore
Call sign9V5997
MMSI563062200
Vessel typeContainer Ship
Year of build2015
Operating statusIn Service/Commission (since 30/07/2015)
Former namesMAERSK SALTORO
JENNY BOX

Tonnage​

Deadweight (DWT)117176
Gross Tonnage, mt94730
Net Tonnage52150
TPC129.4
Length (OA)299.92
Length (BP)287.01
Beam48.19
Draft15.03
Depth24.8

Cargo​

Reefer TEU1400
TEU9962
Gear DetailsGearless
Gear TypeGearless

Engine​

Engine TypeDiesel
Engine BuilderMAN B&W
Model9S90ME-C9
Number1
RPM83
Stroke Type2
Cylinder Stroke3260
Cylinder Bore900
Total Power KW41480
Total Power HP56396
ThrusterB-1-3000
Propulsion typeFixed Pitch
Propulsion number1
Speed22

This tells us a lot. It doesn't tell us anything about the auxiliary power, but it does tell us a few key things about the main propulsion. The main engine is a MAN B&W 9S90ME-C9, direct drive, connected to a fixed-pitch prop. These engines are gigantic, multi-story things with catwalks all over them.

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The electrical power would come from a separate, much smaller diesel generator. Since that's what apparently failed (we can clearly see the ship losing electrical power and the lights going out in the footage), that's the data I'm after.

A bit more digging, tossing in some keywords about the Maersk Saltoro and its generators, and I've got it.

https://www.scheepvaartwest.be/CMS/index.php/containerships/7105-maersk-saltoro-imo-9725706 - https://archive.md/U1GKv

NameMAERSK SALTORO
Previous names07.2015 - 08.2015 Jenny Box
TypeCellular containership - Carriage of dangerous goods, Refrigerated cargo
IMO-number9725706
Call signHPZK
FlagRepublic of Panama
Port of registryPanama City
Previous flags07.2015 - 10.2016 Marshall Islands, Majuro - call sign: V7MN3
GT94.730 t registered
DWT117.175,7 t
NT52.150 t registered
Panama: 94.349 t
Number of 40ft containers9.962
Container capacity 14t7.280
Reefer capacity1.400
Length299,92 m overall
287,00 m between perpendiculars
Breadth48,20 m moulded
Draught14,50 m
Freeboard5.256 mm
Depth24,80 m moulded
SpeedMax.: 21,0 knots
Built2016
Keel laid12.01.2015
Launch date22.05.2015
Delivery date30.07.2015
BuilderHyundai Heavy Ind. Co., Ltd.
Ulsan
South Korea
Yard number2681
Hull materialHigh strength steel
Watertight bulkheads9
Main engine1x MAN-B&W 9S90ME-C9.2 - 9 cylinder 900 x 3.260 mm diesel engine 41.480 KW at 82,5 rpm
Manufacturer: HHI Engine & Machinery Div.
Propellers1x
Manufacturer: HHI Engine & Machinery Div.
Boilers1x Exhaust Gas Boiler - 9,0 bar
1x Fired Boiler - 9,0 bar
Manufacturer: Kangrim Heavy Industries Co., Ltd.
Generators2x Main diesel generatorsets each 4.400 kW
2x Main diesel generatorsets each 3.840 kW
Manufacturer: HHI Electro Electric System
Number of holds7
Number of tanksBallast: 19
Fuel oil: 10
Lubricating oil: 7
Diesel oil: 6
Waste water: 5
Fresh water: 3
Chain: 2
Sludge: 1
Tank capacities 100%Diesel Oil: 844,4 m³ / 762,10 t
Freshwater: 606,6 m³
Fuel Oil: 7.500,3 m³ / 7.356,02 t
Lube Oil: 386 m³ / 347,4 t
Tank Ballast: 28.461,1 m³
Lifting equipment2x Engine room crane - SWL 12,5 t each
1x Monorail crane - SWL 12,5 t
2x Provision Crane - SWL 4,0 t
Manufacture: Oriental Precision Machinery Co., Ltd.
ManagerGreen Spanker Shipping S.A.
Comosa Building
Samuel Lewis Avenue & Manuel Maria Icaza
Panama City
Republic of Panama
Previous managersOceanbulk, Athens - Greece
OperatorMaersk
Registered ownerGreen Spanker Shipping S.A.
Latest data adjustment17 February 2017

This is what we're after:

2x Main diesel generatorsets each 4.400 kW
2x Main diesel generatorsets each 3.840 kW
Manufacturer: HHI Electro Electric System

This tells us that the generators are two 4.4 megawatt and two 3.84 megawatt Hyundai gensets. The exact model is not specified, but they're probably HiMSENs, which do have models in this power range.



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Now, we just need to wait for the incident reports from the Coast Guard and NTSB. If it was an engineering casualty, they should have some details.

Apparently, this particular vessel has been plagued by ongoing retardation:


The Dali container ship had undergone 27 inspections since 2015, and it had been found to have two 'deficiencies', according to a CNN review of records from the Electronic Quality Shipping Information System (Equasis).

Notably, this included a June 2023 inspection in San Antonio, Chile, where a deficiency was found in the 'propulsion and auxiliary machinery' - with propulsion faults also noted in the early CISA report.

The Dali was also involved in a 2016 incident at the Port of Antwerp. A review in November of that year in Antwerp, Belgium found another 'deficiency' in its 'structural conditions.'


The Dali container ship that struck Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge early Tuesday morning hit a Belgium port's stone wall in 2016.

The large vessel rammed one of the support columns of the bridge at about 1:30 a.m., causing the entire structure to break into several pieces and fall into the Patapsco River, video posted to X (formerly Twitter) showed. The ship then caught fire, and thick smoke could be seen billowing out of it. Local authorities were initially looking for seven people in the river, and two have already been pulled out, according to the Associated Press. It was unclear if the two already rescued were included in the seven.

Informative, thank you. Do I remember rightly that you service/maintain ferries for a living?
Engine crew, actually. Preventative maintenance is part of the job.

The boat looks like it chucks out a load of black smoke just before it hits - is that them panicking and caning it ?
Possibly. It could be an E-gen starting up to take over from an auxiliary that went down, but it is a rather large plume. They might've been trying to go full astern at the last minute, but just didn't have the distance to stop.

A ship with a controllable-pitch prop can quickly go astern by changing prop pitch. The only way to reverse one of these huge container ships with a direct-drive diesel and a fixed-pitch prop is to zero out the shaft RPM and then actually reverse the engine itself. That takes quite a bit of time.


I managed to dig up a document on the S90ME (presumably, the 9S90ME is a 9-cylinder version; this is typical for main engine model numbering) with quite a few details. I've attached it to the post.

Also, there's another update on the situation, from Maritime Executive:


As the search and rescue operation continues in Baltimore's harbor, the investigation into the cause of the allision between the container ship Dali and the Francis Scott Key Bridge is under way. Initial reports from regulators and federal authorities suggest that there are no signs of wrongdoing, and that a loss of power may have been the cause.

The Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore, the ship's flag state regulator, told local media that Dali had a "momentary loss of propulsion" and lost control of her heading, citing initial information it has received from the vessel operator. The crew dropped anchor prior to impact, MPA confirmed, and the port-side anchor chain is readily visible in photos from the scene.

The Baltimore Sun has also obtained a copy of the U.S. Coast Guard's initial casualty report. Pilots aboard the Dali said that the bridge team observed "power issues, multiple alarms on the bridge, and the loss of propulsion prior to the incident," the USCG reported.

"Loss of propulsion" is very vague and could mean anything. It could mean the actual main engine went down, or it could mean a loss of the steering, or a loss of the control electronics due to a ship service power blackout. In any case, it sounds like the pilothouse basically lost their handles. This is always a butthole-clenching scenario, because until the backups kick in, there's basically fuck-all the crew can do about it. They're adrift.

Another article indicates that the crew actually contacted authorities before the allision and got them to stop traffic on the bridge a couple minutes before the actual impact, because they knew there was a chance they'd smack right into it:


Roughly two minutes elapsed between when the ship's pilot notified state authorities of an issue on board and when the bridge collapsed, Baltimore County Executive John Olszewski said.

Officials said in a news conference that the call allowed officials to order a mayday and stop traffic onto the bridge.

Moore said that the decision to stop traffic onto the bridge "saved lives last night." Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott told CBS News that the mayday call "saved many lives" and allowed emergency personnel to get to the scene quickly.

It sounds like they did the right thing, for the most part, except for the part where you wave a wand and make an ailing plant on a giant container ship magically come back to life, which, sadly, isn't always possible.

Even though people may say, "Oh, it's just incompetent poojeets at it again", most people really have no idea how complex and failure-prone the machinery and electricals on these vessels really are. Sometimes, a plant on a motor vessel will completely shit itself from the stupidest little thing, and there's nothing you can do but kneel and fondle rosary beads.
 

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Got some more info from my step dad. Apparently it is not the engines that the EPA and Biden had switched but the fuel that they use. Apparently EPA regulations have it that when ships come into American waters they have to use this green friendly, EPA approved fuel that my step dad says is not as good as normal fossil fuel and just doesn't work. There have been numerous complaints from foreign shipping companies over this fuel being unsafe and unreliable with their ships sometimes turning on and off when using it when in American waters. So, yeah, this looks like the fault of government regulations.
My wives girlfriend is Ukrainian. Apparently it's not this green friendly EPA approved fuel, the crew were actually indi-ukranian agents sent to destroy the crimea bridge but misread the map a bit. There have been numerous complaints from illiterate special agents that the maps are confusing. So, yeah, this looks like Zelenskys fault.
 
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Lol. This shit is like the Nigerian 411 scams. Anyone that can’t detect how incredibly stupid that entire tweet is, on multiple fronts, is is going to follow and retweet any retarded shit they post.

“Can’t fit in tunnels!” Hazardous material trucks fit perfectly fine through tunnels, they just don’t want to create a flaming rocket launcher full of commuters by driving that shit through a fucking poorly ventilated tube ffs.
 
This tells us that the generators are two 4.4 megawatt and two 3.84 megawatt Hyundai gensets.

I’m thinking it’s unlikely to be generator (engine) failure, as 3 or 4 should be running during this stage of navigation, and even if one shuts off, it should be handled seamlessly. So more plausible that a serious electrical or control problem happened causing all of them to trip off, or breakers open. As we did see two restarts.

Imagining the bridge computer rebooting, with that windows NT startup chime.
 
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