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One benefit to come out of this - I have set my VPN to be on at all times, and I’m considering buying a new router to install it at the router level.

Before, I just used it to visit the farms and hitting torrents. Now, it’s on 100% of the time. I no longer trust anyone to be reasonable anymore.
 
Ridley said:
Shit decisions like this absolutely kill discussion forums. You can claim anything is a glownigger fedpost if you try hard enough. Also consider the following phenomenon:
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Site's about free expression.

Fedposting isn't even a slippery slope. Its literally shit like saying "I am going to go over to X's house to kill them". Shit like that is already basically banned on this site.

Fedposters who come from /pol/ and don't understand the site's culture and that this isn't 4chan 3.0 should realize this. Most people come here to have discussions about lolcows or other random topics in an area that isn't constantly full of the most low energy, basic posts (like current 4chan is full of), and because the site also allows free expression.

Shit like fedposting should stay on places like 4chan, where it belongs, because it honestly does add basically nothing to the conversation and can actually be used as fuel to shut this site down.

Not saying that you shouldn't be able to say that Keffals should unironically kill themselves to spare themself of years of having to dilate and being permanently medicalized, or that Joe Biden should off himself;

just don't be a fucking retard about it and actually hint at something that people would take as a credible threat. Hard to describe fedposting, but literally everyone knows what it is when they see it.
 
SanicBlackMagic said:
NOT INCOURAGING GAYOPS - just a thought.

Unironically, I think this is the only thing that would desensitize companies enough to avoid knee-jerk reactions to leftist mass flagging brigades. As of right now, the only people faggots doing this are pinko scum and npc retards. Thats why they're successful at it, because there isn't an equal and opposite reaction. Unfortunately that means that the efforts of Troonco on this front are unilateral and much harder for companies to ignore.

If their inboxes were full of similar retardation calling for the deplatforming of X or Y person/company/site, it would encourage them to ignore this shit from both sides.

Alas, that is mega gay and we must take the high road - to our own graves.
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You can try. But guess what people take the kinds of jobs that review complaints.
 
I don't think most Kiwis fully understand even now why those incredibly powerful governmental, corporate, and cultural forces arrayed against us are so desperate to shut this site down--and no, it isn't because it's a place where we can say Fuck you, nigger or The Jews did 9-11 and laugh at retards on the Internet...

No, wait: I take that back. Remember Jaime Cochran? The dead uber-hacker tranny who Keffals tried to use against David Prince as an example of a Cloudflare Nazi? She's been on my mind ever since Keffals, that lumbering ogre, brought her up.

Jaime Cochran was a god-tier troll at the level of weev before he went crazy and Sean Carasov before he blew his fucking brains out. Those old-school trolls were brutal in their language and the reason they were brutal is because they knew the right combination of words (especially when combined with images) could reach out and grab a fucker by the throat. They were pioneers in the concept of the memetic attack. With the right tools in the right hands, you could get in the target's head and socially engineer the target to behave a certain way, do a certain thing, go in a desired direction. There's a reason why several countries are attempting to ban memes, and it's the same reason all of these powerful players are trying to erase this site.

Few things can penetrate and shatter an eggshell-thin cultural construct more effectively than irrefutable truth cloaked in humor, and there is no more flimsy a construct than to say fat is beautiful or furries are normal or men can become real natural women with a steady flow of bathtub hormones and a sharp fucking scalpel. These fuckers want us gone because we pose a genuine threat to the outrageous lies they're trying to impose on reality. We expose those lies and they would ruin us or even kill us if they could.

That's why words like Fuck you, nigger and The Jews did 9-11 are so powerful. Not because they're true but because saying That Which Must Not Be Said damages the suspension of disbelief holding their fucked-up fantasy world together. It shakes them up all the way to the top.
 
~Marika~ said:
"Hey guys you know how we just got fucked over by cloudflare which has set the bar allowing harassment campaigns to work? Well let's do that but make the new bar the normal."

Fuck off bro with your gayops

If more sites get booted off after harassment campaigns then you'll eventually have no free internet left

But equally fuck Kotaku
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I'm not asking for anyone to he deplatformed retard. Inwant two things

1) a list of sites that may be violating the same rules

2) a record of it.

So when I query their media relations department I can say "here are the same violations. How were they handled?"

If you think that's gay ops kys now. You're the same ones that claim asking a question about standards is "what about-ism". Its a lame excuse to protect authoritarian violations of principles.
 
Spud gun said:
Cloudflare should never be trusted again this not the first time that they have made an "exception" and terminated their services. 8chan was yeeted because someone posted about committing a heinous crime and it was subsequently removed by the moderation team.
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8ch was also flooded with CP. So much so that it’s full archives can’t ever be restored. So I sort of agree but also more is at play in that example.
 
Johan Schmidt said:
I said this in the telegram chat, but it does need repeating, If cloudflare actually does this, it sets a precedent whereby any small business in the world can be effectively destroyed anonymously by a disgruntled group of mildly tech literate arseholes; effectively without recourse. He mentioned 'threat to human life' in the absurd whinge post he did, but the reality is that a threat to your livelihood is also a threat to your life; but merely one by inches rather than miles. In the modern world, access to the internet is defacto access to the financial system, and without that access you cannot function in a professional manner. This is - and forgive whatever hyperbole you might find in this statement - actual economic terrorism. It is an attack on the livelihood of an individual to invoke fear in order to cause a change in action.

Cloudflare is complicit in enabling this; and if they keep it going will be effectively circling the wagons around large corporate interests like Facebook and Amazon that are inured against attacks like these; and leaving the smaller organisations and individuals who are reliant on 3rd party services to exist, to be attacked by what are effectively gaggles of mentally ill perverts. Perverts whose actions are so antithetical to what 99% of the planet sees as good; that the second any sliver of sunlight is shone on them, they shrivel up and wither away because of how vile they actually are.
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This is still too optimistic. The post said some law enforcement agencies were involved. How long until these agencies are declaring “imminent threats to human life” that consist of “health misinformation” or any threat anywhere against a government official (even if it’s taken down immediately)? There is now a norm for demanding punishment for potential crimes and events that have not happened yet.
 
SanicBlackMagic said:
I realize that, which is why I thought that that solution is untenable.

That being said, I think that Null would probably have an easier time than some faggy reddit subforum, because we've got users who've been here a while and who have directly interacted with Null, contributed to the site (true and honest), and most importantly have a record of all the posts made from which one could infer whether they are capable of maintaining current site culture. It would come down to time and effort, which he cant expend on this while he's trying to keep the .ru and onion mirrors operational.

AFAIC there is no significant problem with moderation as is and anyone can pull the same blitzkrieg gayop shit that was pulled to get KF kicked off cloudflare.
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The argument that paying money keeps you from saying dumb shit isn't exactly rock solid. After all, Something Awful has been home to many a dipfuck.
 
Screw Danlon said:
One benefit to come out of this - I have set my VPN to be on at all times, and I’m considering buying a new router to install it at the router level.

Before, I just used it to visit the farms and hitting torrents. Now, it’s on 100% of the time. I no longer trust anyone to be reasonable anymore.
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Which VPN lets you shitpost on /a/ without the bot telling me my IP range has been banned?
 
Very_sad_man said:
>true and honest
Financialy supporting something is not a guarantee of being "good boy", tho people tend to behave when they made financial investment into something.
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Completely agree. But I also doubt trannies would go so far as to donate any substantial sum to Jersh in an attempt to gain enough favor to be awarded a mod spot.

Ridley said:
I think they played their only card. Is Keffals going to convince the Russian government that we support Ukraine and get us taken down here as well? Even something as extreme as spamming CP wouldn't work because Russian law only bothers with producers.
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I agree, but I worry that it was just the first domino. The problem is that Troonco (canadian branch) have made just enough of a stink to make the story trend in mass media. Concurently MTG made a retard out of herself outed herself as a retard and probably exposed the site to the same boomers who unironically support "based" trannies, israel, and centrists who flinch when you get a little too real in your political discourse, especially if you use the forbidden words du jour.

I dont know what the feasibility of the .ru version of this site being blocked in the states is (and i really fucking hope its a slim-to-none chance) but there's enough retards out there to add to the dogpile, whether it be with even dumber claims of "KF WAS A RUSSIAN PSYOP ALL ALONG! BAN IT!" or simply, "Look at this site Mabel, they've got people saying nigger and swatting our True and Honest, Based Republicans like MTG. Hopefully daddy government will ban them when we make our next donation to the uni-party slushfund"

And mark my words, it'll be the sum of all the retards that will snuff out the farms given enough time. Just as now, where its the sum of the trannies which got the farms kicked off Clownfair.
 
At some point, you or your children are going to have to find a way to destroy the internet.

We are another step closer to the day where it will be the exclusive tool and weapon of our enemies, who will have you deplatformed so they can tell the most outrageous lies about you, against which you will have no recourse nor right of response.

But of course no one will be willing to do that, because Amazon Prime and free porno and muh Netflix.

The internet has done more harm than good to the world.
 
This is what spending time only on the “positive feedback” based platforms does to a person. Mostly using Reddit as an example, as it’s the prevalent website using this system.
By the use of “upvotes”, the post is pushed up. The ones with many upvotes are easy to see and engage with. The ones with small amount of upvotes are pushed down into almost unnoticeable area, where people are too lazy to even expand it to read it.
The problem occurs when a new person seeking contact about hobbies or whatever shows up. With a first few of the posts failing to get noticed the outsider can subconsciously determine that in order to get heard, they need to talk and style their speech like *popular* redditors. This slowly pushes the poster to fit the template and forget about their “uncultured” way of talking. (Think the NPC meme)

How does that connect to the drama?
Well, Kiwifarms doesn’t follow the positive feedback routine. Because, while it’s true that posts can be upvoted which might put emphasis on some of them, it’s equally easy to get your post queues by someone with a comment “Wow you are a retard faggot, sneed, gtfo” etc and it’s not *hidden* even if the negative response doesn’t garner enough “stickers”.

How does a brain of terminally online “normie” deep in the cult of twitter, reddit or any other service reacts seeing forum like this? Where opinions that disagree with their taught dogma are allowed to be expressed? Where echo chamber is shattered? Well, we’ve seen how in the recent weeks. Screeching, baring teeth, gayops, mob like behaviors, threat, extortions. All that just to remove a place where people dare to comment about stuff and not align with their worldview.

Personally, there are threads on this website which initially were annoying to read, as the users frequenting them had a lot of opinions misaligned with mine. But after a second thought, what a valuable experience it is?

Anyways, stay strong, stay true. And thanks Null.
 
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Few things can penetrate and shatter an eggshell-thin cultural construct more effectively than irrefutable truth cloaked in humor, and there is no more flimsy a construct than to say fat is beautiful or furries are normal or men can become real natural women with a steady flow of bathtub hormones and a sharp fucking scalpel. These fuckers want us gone because we pose a genuine threat to the outrageous lies they're trying to impose on reality. We expose those lies and they would ruin us or even kill us if they could.
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A Modest Proposal For preventing the Children of Poor People From being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick
 
namelessoracle said:
You can try. But guess what people take the kinds of jobs that review complaints.
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The least based, most terminally online type, that have and/or will cut off their dicks given enough time. :\

Testicular Manslaugther said:
The argument that paying money keeps you from saying dumb shit isn't exactly rock solid. After all, Something Awful has been home to many a dipfuck.
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That wasn't my argument actually. My point was that older posters that have donated to the farms and have given consistently good takes are far less likely to be tranny/fed/npc infiltrators and could be one of the easy differentiators between potential janny candidates. They've got skin in the game.

But would be my thoughts towards reaching a solution to gayop fedposters IF the solution WAS more jannies... which I dont think it is.
 
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Inshallah brother we will take over Dog Island and start our own Kiwi Nation.
We will name it Slobbermutt Island and the first Amendment in the Constitution will be DON'T BE A NIGGER
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