Orbiter Matthew Vickers / @MWV / ViciousVickers / Poor Yorick - Ex-coin merchant, bloodline gunted by Ethan Ralph. Fat cuckold who lost everything by trying to launch warfare against Ethan Ralph. Alleged rapist, proven cuckold, got mental damage from his wife's mean words. Cog paypig.

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Mr E. Grifter said:
It's Ralph, a fat alcoholic felon on a suspended sentence who stopped on someone's head while surrounded by cameras and streamers. Should we be expecting anything else?
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No, I'm saying that Vickers claim sounds retarded. And even if Ralph admitted to breaking the RO in the leaked DMs, can they be admitted as any form of evidence?

Any lawyerfag can weigh in on this?
 
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LaurenLauren said:
No, I'm saying that Vickers claim sounds retarded. And even if Ralph admitted to breaking the RO in the leaked DMs, can they be admitted as any form of evidence?

Any lawyerfag can weigh in on this?
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Short Answer: it depends.

Longer answer: if Alice can be corralled by the State of California into lending assistance, possibly.

Longerer answer: it really doesn't matter because it is highly unlikely that this will go to trial. Ralph will almost certainly plea out when the rubber hits the road, so the potential admissibility of text messages is more useful in the form leverage for negotiation than as actual evidence. One of the elements that the state is required to prove is that the violation of the protection order was "willful," which the prosecutor could prove anyways without this smoking gun evidence, but that element is where Ralph would likely put up the most fight in a theoretical trial. The threat of potentially introducing the texts at trial is an arrow in the quiver of a prosecutor to force a more favorable plea agreement.
 
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TherapyMan said:
Longerer answer: it really doesn't matter because it is highly unlikely that this will go to trial. Ralph will almost certainly plea out when the rubber hits the road, so the potential admissibility of text messages is more useful in the form leverage for negotiation than as actual evidence. One of the elements that the state is required to prove is that the violation of the protection order was "willful," which the prosecutor could prove anyways without this smoking gun evidence, but that element is where Ralph would likely put up the most fight in a theoretical trial. The threat of potentially introducing the texts at trial is an arrow in the quiver of a prosecutor to force a more favorable plea agreement.
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I still don't buy it, it's a far strech to think that the Californian Prosecutor would convince some BPD retard from Virginia to admit that indeed those text were between her an Ralph. If I would be in Ralph place and prosecutor would bring the Alice DM's up I would laugh him out.
 
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LaurenLauren said:
I still don't buy it, it's a far strech to think that the Californian Prosecutor would convince some BPD retard from Virginia to admit that indeed those text were between her an Ralph. If I would be in Ralph place and prosecutor would bring the Alice DM's up I would laugh him out.
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Just reading into this a bit, this is unlike the recordings that Faith could not use in court because 2 Party consent laws come into play during the recording of phone calls because it falls under the same laws as wiretapping. Apparently, and I would like to highlight I am not a legal expert nor am I American so forgive me if this is not 100% accurate, leaking DMs does not fall under the same legislation. It is more akin to whether someone had a right to access the logs held on a given computer at the time the logs were released - they were stored on Alice's phone so she has the right to access those texts.

I have no idea as to whether Alice would even need to be involved voluntarily, surely if CA wanted to they could just subpoena those messages?
Fuck, they could subpoena their phone providers, or even Ralph right?

This is all hypothetical, assuming that Vickers isn't just talking garbage or that CA wont just drop it because they don't care. Assuming there is something and they do care, there is reasonable grounds to search those messages on those devices to prove they are real if CA was so inclined.
 
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LaurenLauren said:
No, I'm saying that Vickers claim sounds retarded. And even if Ralph admitted to breaking the RO in the leaked DMs, can they be admitted as any form of evidence?

Any lawyerfag can weigh in on this?
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Yep, seems to me that Ralph will be given a 20 year senence on Kiker's Island, where he will be forced to dance for all of the incarcerated white collar jew crooks while they spit coins at him.
 
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LaurenLauren said:
I still don't buy it, it's a far strech to think that the Californian Prosecutor would convince some BPD retard from Virginia to admit that indeed those text were between her an Ralph. If I would be in Ralph place and prosecutor would bring the Alice DM's up I would laugh him out.
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You're still thinking of this in the context of there being a trial. There almost certainly won't be. An improbable threat is still a threat, and that factors into how a plea agreement may ultimately be negotiated. Will the State of California ever get Alice involved to testify to authenticate those texts? Almost certainly not. Will they still try to use the texts' existence as leverage? Probably. Will they succeed? Maybe. Will this affect the outcome? No. Ralph's guilty as fuck—it's just a matter of how we get there, and if the State cares enough to prosecute this.

Think of it like this: you're about to get in a fight with four Portuguese prostitutes for $500 you didn't pay. You're not going to win this fight. Your options are either: (1) pay up or (2) endure the beatdown long enough for them to leave you alone.

Suddenly, Ethan Ralph and all his stubby glory emerges from a dumpster, where he was previously foraging for hamburgers and sniffs the air with his pig snout. The Gunt senses an a-log.

Realistically, Ethan Ralph, with his tiny arms and diabetes, poses no threat to you, especially on his own. However, you're in about to be curb-stomped by four Portuguese prostitutes. The addition of the Gunted One is just another headache for you to deal with. He might fall on you, crushing you under his giant Gunt. It is unlikely he will, but it's possible, and you really don't want Ethan Ralph to fall on you.

Recognizing the situation due to being fans of the World-Famous Killstream, the Portuguese prostitutes now demand $550 out of you. You're bit incensed, and complain, wanting to go back down to the $500 figure. The Portuguese prostitutes say not only will they kick your ass, now they will get Ethan Ralph involved. Again, Ethan Ralph doesn't pose a realistic threat to you, but do you really want to deal with him in addition to the four prostitutes that will kick your ass? If you pay up, you might leave with your orbital socket intact.

Since I am not a California attorney, I am not familiar with their sentencing rules, but the prosecution may find a way to introduce them there since the ordinary rules of evidence typically do not apply and less exacting standards apply. It may be a relevant consideration for a judge when considering what sentence to give when assessing the severity of Ralph's actions.
 
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TherapyMan said:
You're still thinking of this in the context of there being a trial. There almost certainly won't be. An improbable threat is still a threat, and that factors into how a plea agreement may ultimately be negotiated. Will the State of California ever get Alice involved to testify to authenticate those texts? Almost certainly not. Will they still try to use the texts' existence as leverage? Probably. Will they succeed? Maybe. Will this affect the outcome? No. Ralph's guilty as fuck—it's just a matter of how we get there, and if the State cares enough to prosecute this.

Think of it like this: you're about to start a get in a fight with four Portuguese prostitutes for $500 you didn't pay. You're not going to win this fight. Your options are either: (1) pay up or (2) endure the beatdown long enough for them to leave you alone.

Suddenly, Ethan Ralph and all his stubby glory emerges from a dumpster, where he was previously foraging for hamburgers and sniffs the air with his pig snout. The Gunt senses an a-log.

Realistically, Ethan Ralph, with his tiny arms and diabetes, poses no threat to you, especially on his own. However, you're in about to be curb-stomped by four Portuguese prostitutes. The addition of the Gunted One is just another headache for you to deal with. He might fall on you, crushing you under his giant Gunt. It is unlikely he will, but it's possible, and you really don't want Ethan Ralph to fall on you.

Recognizing the situation due to being fans of the World-Famous Killstream, the Portuguese prostitutes now demand $550 out of you. You're bit incensed, and complain, wanting to go back down to the $500 figure. The Portuguese prostitutes say not only will they kick your ass, now they will get Ethan Ralph involved. Again, Ethan Ralph doesn't pose a realistic threat to you, but do you really want to deal with him in addition to the four prostitutes that will kick your ass? If you pay up, you might leave with your orbital socket intact.

Since I am not a California attorney, I am not familiar with their sentencing rules, but the prosecution may find a way to introduce them there since the ordinary rules of evidence typically do not apply and less exacting standards apply. It may be a relevant consideration for a judge when considering what sentence to give when assessing the severity of Ralph's actions.
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Ok, still seems extremely retarded to me, but maybe it's more because of the fact the the whole Ralph situation is absurd and it's hard for me to imagine being in the place that Ralph is right know.

Also, the whole active fucking with Ralph by Vickers seems very weird to me. It's like he is mad that somebody else then him raped his daughter.
 
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I want Ralph to win the lottery. A sizable one, not a couple million but around 200k would do. Can you imagine the rage pig waddling his way onto the Azores to threaten a guntening of Andy's sister, then waddling his way into every pizzaria in Serbia to the abject disgust of normal Serbian patrons under the whiff of this horrid rotund sphere of grease?

I want to see a legit Killstream world tour.

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He donated over $100 to the previous Kino Kasino.
 
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