Prison Letters May 11, 2022 - Chris writes letter trying to shift blame to Barb

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There isn't really a legal can of worms, dude fucked his mom, that just isn't legal,

This.

No major precedents will be set by that.

Also this. It's rural Virginia. The courts there aren't exactly unfamiliar with incest.

They want to get this case down the pike and move beyond it and forget it.

And never have to deal with Chris ever again. Keeping Chris from re-offending has always been more important than punishing him.


I hope Chris gets raped and murdered in the violent flames of Islamic jihad!

Unlikely. Chris is unfuckable. This implies he is also unrapeable.

Yusuf: "Go ahead Ahmed. You rape him."
Ahmed: "No my brother Yusuf. It is your turn to rape."
Yusuf: "Let's leave this one to the camels to rape."
Ahmed: "Do not scare the camels like that. Now they have all fled."
 
It's very likely neither the prosecutor nor defense want to deal with the legal can of worms any ruling will create. Unusual cases with rare situations involving serious charges can set precedence for future cases. They're probably trying to cooperate and deal with this in the least damaging way possible.

J&DR cases do not create legal precedent, as they are not courts of record.

Precedent comes from the self, and case law flows downward, so you can refer to a case from a parallel court but it's not case law for it. In a court that is not a court of record, there is also no precedent as the proceedings are not formally recorded in a legal sense (even if they've been recorded in a physical sense).

So as I understand it (again I am not an authority on Virginia law, this is just from general knowledge of how English common law jurisdictions work):

District-level (including J&DR): There is no precedent, binding case law comes from the Circuit Courts in their judicial district, and the successive courts above it. Decisions from Circuit Courts in other judicial districts are only advisory.

Circuit Court: There is precedent from previous decisions of Circuit Courts in the same judicial district (Virginia has a Circuit Court in every county/independent city, but they represent the same Circuit of all counties in their judicial district), and binding case law from higher courts. Decisions from other judicial districts are advisory if they do not conflict with precedent from Circuits in the district, or case law from higher courts.

Virginia Court of Appeals: Precedent from the VCA (itself). Binding case law from Virginia Supreme Court. Circuit Court decisions are advisory if they do not conflict with precedent from VCA or case law from the Virginia Supreme Court.

Virginia Supreme Court: Precedent from itself, all other cases from lower courts are advisory if they do not conflict with precedent.

EDIT: And of course all Virginia courts are beholden to federal case law with regard to the constitutionality of Virginia law, so to the Fourth Circuit and to SCOTUS.

EDIT 2: I also should point out that precedent comes from judicial decisions, and since Circuit Court is mostly concerned with jury trials, self-created precedent doesn't have much meaning at the Circuit level since judges at that level are mostly concerned with following what they're bound to by higher courts, and most of the big decisions are made by juries, who are not judges and thus don't create precedent.

Anything important or controversial decided by a judge at the Circuit level tends to get appealed to a higher court, which will then create binding precedent/case law.

Or him waiting for the court (or would it be the jail?) to find a placement for him, as required by law. They have to look for 30 days after his "release", and I think they are required to make sure he gets there, so I highly doubt they'd put him up in a hotel without supervision in the meantime.

It depends on how they follow the spirit of the law. They have to make sure he is connected with care and services to meet the needs of his condition, and ensure that they are ongoing. If they do it right, he goes into a tard home. The more cynical side of me says they kick him into a homeless shelter and assign a case worker to meet with him once a week and make sure he's getting meds and therapy (similar to what he was doing in the therapeutic docket, only housed in a homeless shelter instead of the Sonichu Temple).

Hopefully Heilberg is a responsible enough attorney to insist on the tard home, and Consolvo realizes that Chris is far more likely to cause problems for Greene County if he's 20 miles away in a Charlottesville homeless shelter instead of a tard home across the state.

Didn't he claim in that video he wasn't actually collecting any tugboat but instead worked hard to support his family? I'm not sure that claiming you don't need a tugboat as a strategy to keeping the tugboat is a leap of "logic" even Chris could make.

The parent poster misunderstood what happened. Chris did Rollin' and Trollin', then trolls convinced Chris that the SSA would watch the R&T video, and upon seeing him claim to be a well-adjusted, gainfully employed individual, they'd sink his tugboat. To prevent this from happening, Chris made another video recanting R&T and admitting he was a tard.
 
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It depends on how they follow the spirit of the law.

I think it's more that it's a new law and they're still working out how to deal with it (a.k.a. what they can get away with).

Hopefully Heilberg is a responsible enough attorney to insist on the tard home, and Consolvo realizes that Chris is far more likely to cause problems for Greene County if he's 20 miles away in a Charlottesville homeless shelter instead of a tard home across the state.

I really think availability trumps all, regardless of what they want. If there are no beds available, there are no beds available. Also it may be the jail that has to find somewhere for him unless it's part of the decision handed down / plea deal agreed to by the court. It might not be Consolvo's problem where Chris ends up.

To prevent this from happening, Chris made another video recanting R&T and admitting he was a tard.

Once again making exactly the wrong decision because he thinks it's easier. Classic Chris.
 
I really think availability trumps all, regardless of what they want. If there are no beds available, there are no beds available. Also it may be the jail that has to find somewhere for him unless it's part of the decision handed down / plea deal agreed to by the court. It might not be Consolvo's problem where Chris ends up.

According to the statute, it's the jail's problem, not the prosecutor's. The way it's phrased, it's clear that it was written thinking of situations where the case had already concluded and the person was finishing their sentence post-conviction. That doesn't mean Heilberg and Consolvo can't work the issue out themselves to achieve a better outcome for Chris and Greene County, thus fulfilling the requirements. They can come up with the plan and then hand it to the jail administration to rubber stamp it.

I'm sure Consolvo does not want the jail placing Chris somewhere where he can stir up trouble again. Getting rid of Chris would be in Greene County's best interests. Doing it in a way Heilberg is happy with would mean no friction in the process.

But maybe that's just :optimistic:

EDIT: Specifically it's the problem of the jail/prison and the community services board of where they place the inmate:

2. Requirements for discharge planning for individuals with serious mental illness assessed as requiring behavioral health services upon release from the local correctional facility, which shall include (i) creation of a discharge plan, as soon as practicable after completion of the assessment required pursuant to subdivision 1, and (ii) coordination of services and care with community providers, community supervision agencies, and, as appropriate, the individualТs family in accordance with the discharge plan until such time as the individual has begun to receive services in accordance with the discharge plan or for a period of 30 days following release from the local correctional facility, whichever occurs sooner. Discharge plans shall ensure access to the full continuum of care for the individual upon release from the local correctional facility and shall include provisions for (a) linking the individual for whom the discharge plan has been prepared to the community services board in the jurisdiction in which he will reside following release and to other supports and services necessary to meet his service needs and (b) communication of information regarding the individual's treatment needs and exchange of treatment records among service providers;

Again, they just have to try for 30 days, they don't have to actually succeed. They can just dump him at a homeless shelter after making sure he's had phone calls or meetings with local mental health services. What they can't do is just throw him on a bus somewhere, or just let him walk out the gates. They have to actually try to get him into a situation where it's possible for him to have his needs met. This means some form of residence (however shitty -- again it could just be a homeless shelter), and confirmed connections with local services for whatever issues Chris has.

The goal of success comes more from Greene County not wanting to fucking deal with him again. Unlike major cities they don't have insane homeless people wandering their streets, and I assume they want to keep it that way.
 
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According to the statute, it's the jail's problem, not the prosecutor's.

That's the way I remember reading it, but, yeah, if Heilberg and Consolvo work out something better between them first, I don't think the jail will complain.

However, if it is left to the jail to resolve, I don't think they'll be nearly as concerned about finding a permanent solution as Consolvo and, especially, Heilberg will. they'll likely just stuff him the first place they find that meets their legal obligations.

Again, they just have to try for 30 days, they don't have to actually succeed.

As I said. My point is they have to do something with him for those 30 days (or less depending on how long it takes them to come up with a minimum effort solution). They can't just dump him out on the streets and hope he shows up when a bed assignment comes available.

Chris would have made it so much easier for the jail to pit him somewhere had he plead out and established a solid release schedule for them to work with. Instead he had to be difficult.

ProTip: being difficult does not help when dealing with social services.
 
I'm sure Consolvo does not want the jail placing Chris somewhere where he can stir up trouble again. Getting rid of Chris would be in Greene County's best interests. Doing it in a way Heilberg is happy with would mean no friction in the process.

I think the ultimate aim is to put Chris in a position where he will never return to 14BC or try and find/reconnect to his mother again. Because even though he may have changed the temple location in his latest letters, everyone knows the first thing he will do if left to his own devices is go back there, even if they do put a restraining order on him. Without careful planning, Chris may only be out of Jail for 48 hours before he gets dragged back to it.

The goal of success comes more from Greene County not wanting to fucking deal with him again. Unlike major cities they don't have insane homeless people wandering their streets, and I assume they want to keep it that way.

I lost all optimism of Chris somehow been able to change to be an actual model citizen a long time ago. After years of interaction with orbiters and constant pampering by his parents, Chris' ego is at a point where he believes he can do no wrong and he is always right about everything. Even if its put him behind bars for nearly a year.

The only way they can deal with Chris not re-offending is probably to go for the care home route. Even if they dump him in a homeless shelter, he'll immediately leave and fuck things up for himself even further.
 
yeah "ACCIDENTALLY" that's what happened, the kiwi sent the letter by "accident."
He said he just had the letter laying around, and a family member assumed that he wanted to send it, which basically makes the whole premise of putting the address and stamp on there pretty stupid if he didn't want it sent to Chris. But who knows? If Kengle can profit off of Chris while he's in jail, who's to say that story isn't enirley sus?
 
He said he just had the letter laying around, and a family member assumed that he wanted to send it, which basically makes the whole premise of putting the address and stamp on there pretty stupid if he didn't want it sent to Chris. But who knows? If Kengle can profit off of Chris while he's in jail, who's to say that story isn't enirley sus?
Which is more likely: Chris going back to 14blc or that cockamamie story being true?
 
He said he just had the letter laying around, and a family member assumed that he wanted to send it, which basically makes the whole premise of putting the address and stamp on there pretty stupid if he didn't want it sent to Chris. But who knows? If Kengle can profit off of Chris while he's in jail, who's to say that story isn't enirley sus?
eh maybe but still the wave of idiots who are tyring to cash in on the chris chan story has muddied those waters a lot in the past year since this all began.
 
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A lot of people are saying that Bob was a nice and fairly likable albeit lonely guy. I agree that he seemed that way on the troll calls and he seemed at least 1000x more likable than Barb, but part of me wonders if there's more to the story. Like Barb, Bob was estranged from his family and didn't seem to have any friends or acquaintances and it kind of makes me wonder why. I could theoretically see two scenarios that could explain why this was.

1) There was a dark side to Bob that we never witnessed. Perhaps he had severe personality flaws that we didn't see on the troll calls and he burnt his bridges with everyone in his life just like Barb did. It could explain why him and Barb fell for each other. They both were super toxic individuals who were despised by everyone and only had each other.

2) Bob wasn't toxic and was likable, but Barb being the controlling narcissist that she is got super jealous and suicide baited and the like whenever he talked to his old family or friends. It's very possible, narcissists are known for this type of behavior and perhaps Bob gave in since he was an old man and realized that Barb was his last chance to avoid dying alone.

I know we'll probably never get it, but it would be interesting to get an account of Bob from his other children and family. Cole's account doesn't count because he's a twat.
Oh absolutely Bob was probably more screwed up than any of us give him credit, he married Barb and nobody who wasn't at least some what of a mentally fucked venomous douche would ever seal the deal with her.
 
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Oh absolutely Bob was probably more screwed up than any of us give him credit, he married Barb and nobody who wasn't at least some what of a mentally fucked venomous douche would ever seal the deal with her.

He was propably old, somewhat desperate, and pressured into it with a very special bun in the owen.
 
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@Spamton G. Spamton you have people asking about the letter you sent fatty before he got hauled off to the loony bin. Come back and fill us in
See spamton was upfront and honest about writing to Chris and getting a letter back. Unlike the faggot who said "hey guys I was gonna write to Chris, but than I like... Changed my mind... And left the letter out in the open and so like... My mom thought I wanted to send it out but forgot too... So she like then sent it anyways and o was like... Mom? Why'd you send that letter out? "
 
Not so much wrong as icky. No. Bad. Don't go there. For most people the aversion to incest seems to be even more basic than morality.

Honestly, it's probably built in at the genetic level. Genes that encouraged inbreeding would be rapidly weeded out. This is not just true for humans. Non-human primates also have various behavioral mechanisms to avoid incest.

Also, when you look at people who are "incest ambivalent", such as Chris, you find they generally have other abnormalities as well.
Another reason it's illegal is that it's almost always (or always, depending on your view) abuse. It's usually an older relative who's been a parent, an authority figure or in a position of trust (like a bigger sibling, uncle etc) to the younger one and has either started abusing them in childhood, or groomed them to be okay with incest when they reached the AoC. The social taboo exists in part so that the victim can understand that it's wrong ("ewwwww gross, your brother?" and the like) and get help and alert the authorities, rather than believing the groomer. Also why homosexual incest is wrong too, even though it won't result in offspring.

Sure, you sometimes get long-lost siblings who were separated at birth and didn't know they were related until after they'd met in adulthood and hooked up, but those are so rare that it's easier to enforce a blanket ban and then deal with those few individual cases, rather than deal with untangling "but the sheltered 18-year-old who'd depended on me since birth totally consented" in court every time.
 
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