May 3, 2022 - Chris returned to CVRJ

[A-№1]

But i caution about becoming fully pathological about desire to witness suffering.

Waste neither hatred nor pity on Chris.

He cannot be saved from himself. He cannot be harmed more than he will harm himself.

Just point at the funny monkey and laugh. And stay far away lest you become associated with him.

 

[Got Milk!]

It's true. Unless Virginia law is very, very different, Chris doesn't have to wait for an official court date to change his plea to guilty with conditions (a.k.a. accept a plea deal). He can change his plea to guilty at any time.

Not unless he's convicted, and he hasn't yet been convicted (though he will be). He could have plead out on his first appearance and gotten a deal of zero jail time with other conditions. That's what most guilty defendants do. Most defendants who aren't arrogant, self righteous, idiot spergs, that is.

I don't remember him ever being offered a plea deal. I believe you were asked for evidence but never gave any unless I missed it. To accept a plea deal, one has to be offered and afaik one hasn't been.

Your points are all valid, and I agree with your position entirely, except for one little thing:

Heilberg is not a public defender.

No idea why he did it, but Chris lucked out and Heilberg absolutely has to be regretting it. I mean the letters alone, but on top of that I am sure weens are trying to get in touch with him and ultimately harassing him. I wish this man good luck.

I think this was pointed out but he is a court appointed representative in this case.

Some defense attorneys don't like putting their names outside their doors lest dissatisfied customers come to visit. I know that sounds like something out of a John Grisham story, but it's true

Rate me as you see fit but do you live in a cartoon or episode of Trailer park boys?

"Oh shit boys, the cops are coming with a warrant for 3 maple ln. Quick, change the street signs!"

Maybe if you moved from Mayberry to Mt. Pilot in 1956 you could hide from Andy and Barney for a while by removing the sign out front.

However, in real life we have things like people remembering where a law office is. A missing sign outside will do little to stop that. Or, I don't know, maybe typing the name of a practicing lawyer into Google and getting their business address and phone number instantly.

"Well I showed up to kill the guy but there was no sign out front . So, I went home, sadly. Hopefully he will put the sign out tomorrow. THEN I'll get him"

Please think before you sperg all over the place. Thank you.

 

[A-№1]

I don't remember him ever being offered a plea deal. I believe you were asked for evidence but never gave any unless I missed it. To accept a plea deal, one has to be offered and afaik one hasn't been.

The case was immediately moved to Juvenile & Domestic Relations court, which is not a court of record, so no information has been released about proceedings. You would not have heard about anything either way. There is literally nothing for you to remember.

That said, the prosecution almost always offers a plea deal or tries to negotiate one with the defense instead of dragging things out, especially with cases like Chris. Do you really believe they wanted to waste a whole year on Chris? Sometimes the offer is withdrawn if refused, but that's usually in criminal court, and usually only after the defendant has forced the prosecution to put work into the case. Chris is not going through criminal court. He's in J&DR court, which is far more concerned with finding a permanent solution to Chris than punishing him.

tl;dr: What makes you think Chris somehow wasn't offered a plea deal? Do you believe Chris is somehow a special case and the court is playing kick the autistic? Do you believe they somehow want to waste time on him that they don't need to?

Wasting a whole trial on Chris is more trouble than he's worth.

I think this was pointed out but he is a court appointed representative in this case.

That Heilberg is Chris' appointed attorney is not what matters. The mystery is why Heilberg, in particular, is Chris' attorney.

"Well I showed up to kill the guy but there was no sign out front . So, I went home, sadly. Hopefully he will put the sign out tomorrow. THEN I'll get him"

I did say it sounds like something out of a bad John Grisham novel, but the fact remains. And it's not because they're worried about being killed etc. or some such dramatic bullshit. It's so particularly spergy clients and would be clients (in this case also weens) don't show up out of the blue without an appointment and waste the practice's time unbillably.

It's much more likely that Heilberg is semi-retired and only taking cases he's interested in, so he's basically borrowing space in another practice for the occasional times he needs it, but there are other, more amusing possibilities, and I mentioned one. Chris is hardly the highest profile case Heilberg has taken on, and In these days where assholes camp out in front of supreme court justice's homes, could you blame Heilberg for wanting a little professional privacy?

Please think before you sperg all over the place. Thank you.

So who, exactly, shit in your cornflakes this morning?

Almost without exception the newest users from March/April/May are the worst I've ever seen. There is zero attempt to integrate into the site. I don't think people are lurking anymore, they're registering with zero concept of what kind of community this is and with no intention of figuring it out. They just want to blow chunks in every direction.

I have never been "registration date elitist" because I think that's stupid but I am actually not sure what to think about this profound mental handicap on display from newest users.

I am beginning to see what @Null was talking about.

 

[AnOminous]

Like alcohol especially if the cooking station is near the bar, right?

Like literally everything. Cocaine. Meth. Mostly stimulants. Junkies generally can't hack it in the food biz. Food biz people snort cocaine so they can work long hours so they can get lots of overtime to be able to afford more cocaine.

I am beginning to see what Null was talking about.

nool did nothing wrong.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Cumming.
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This picture is going to give me nightmares for days

 

[Ass Johnson]

This picture is going to give me nightmares for days

Chris' entire existence is enough to fuel nightmares.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Chris' entire existence is enough to fuel nightmares.

I've seen worse but I can't disagree with you on that one.

 

[Got Milk!]

The case was immediately moved to Juvenile & Domestic Relations court, which is not a court of record, so no information has been released about proceedings. You would not have heard about anything either way. There is literally nothing for you to remember.

That said, the prosecution almost always offers a plea deal or tries to negotiate one with the defense instead of dragging things out, especially with cases like Chris. Do you really believe they wanted to waste a whole year on Chris? Sometimes the offer is withdrawn if refused, but that's usually in criminal court, and usually only after the defendant has forced the prosecution to put work into the case. Chris is not going through criminal court. He's in J&DR court, which is far more concerned with finding a permanent solution to Chris than punishing him.

tl;dr: What makes you think Chris somehow wasn't offered a plea deal? Do you believe Chris is somehow a special case and the court is playing kick the autistic? Do you believe they somehow want to waste time on him that they don't need to?

Wasting a whole trial on Chris is more trouble than he's worth.

You specifically said he was. There's just much of a chance he was than he wasn't but you said chris was holding up everything by not taking a deal... that you admit you don't know if it's an option nor did you cite you it when asked multiple times. Now, it's just nothing.

That Heilberg is Chris' appointed attorney is not what matters. The mystery is why Heilberg, in particular, is Chris' attorney.

You specifically said, and I quoted it, that he was not a public defender. But okay.

I did say it sounds like something out of a bad John Grisham novel, but the fact remains. And it's not because they're worried about being killed etc. or some such dramatic bullshit. It's so particularly spergy clients and would be clients (in this case also weens) don't show up out of the blue without an appointment and waste the practice's time unbillably.

Retards show up and waste businesses time all of the time. Any business which a public face deals with that. That don't remove traces of their existence. Also, what would stop someone from just Googling the lawyer's name and info and showing up anyways. Sign be damned

I am beginning to see what @Null was talking about.

Go back and read your own posts and see who better fits that definition. You spent several posts spewing chunks everywhere and then when asked about it, it either doesn't exist, is no longer your point somehow or whatever. So idk, try again I guess?

 

[A-№1]

You specifically said he was.

Because that's what courts do.

you said chris was holding up everything by not taking a deal.

In the Game Place incident, Chris took a plea deal (as arranged through his attorney Rob Bell for a shit-ton of money) offered by the court (because that's what courts do).

In the GameStop incident, Chris took a plea deal (as arranged through his public defender for no money from Chris) offered by the court (because that's what courts do).

This time around the case will have dragged on for a whole year. Do you think that would have happened if Chris had taken a plea deal at the first hearing? You seem to be implying that's because the court has, for some very special reason clearly known only to yourself, NOT offered Chris a plea deal. If you have a better reason why this is dragging out for a whole year, please do tell.

You specifically said, and I quoted it, that he was not a public defender. But okay.

Because Heilberg is not a public defender. Why do you believe he is? Do you even know what that is?

Retards show up and waste businesses time all of the time. Any business which a public face deals with that.

Seriously, have you ever dealt with the courts or even just attorneys in any way as an adult?

I'll give you a hint: there's a reason why legal firms are called practices, not businesses.

Also, what would stop someone from just Googling the lawyer's name and info and showing up anyways.

The people who can't google an address are also the ones best avoided.

Go back and read your own posts and see who better fits that definition.

May 7, 2022

You haven't even been here a month, and you're trying to pick fights. Normally I don't care, or even notice, how long someone has been here, but you really need to lurk moar. Seriously. For your own good.


I feel sorry for @Pointless Sperg. All that time spent writing up a Jail FAQ, and newfags clearly can't be bothered to read it.

 

[A-№1]

This picture is going to give me nightmares for days

I don't know. I laugh every time I see Sonichu's face in that pic.

 

[Got Milk!]

Because that's what courts do.



In the Game Place incident, Chris took a plea deal (as arranged through his attorney Rob Bell for a shit-ton of money) offered by the court (because that's what courts do).

In the GameStop incident, Chris took a plea deal (as arranged through his public defender for no money from Chris) offered by the court (because that's what courts do).

This time around the case will have dragged on for a whole year. Do you think that would have happened if Chris had taken a plea deal at the first hearing? You seem to be implying that's because the court has, for some very special reason clearly known only to yourself, NOT offered Chris a plea deal. If you have a better reason why this is dragging out for a whole year, please do tell.



Because Heilberg is not a public defender. Why do you believe he is? Do you even know what that is?



Seriously, have you ever dealt with the courts or even just attorneys in any way as an adult?

I'll give you a hint: there's a reason why legal firms are called practices, not businesses.



The people who can't google an address are also the ones best avoided.



May 7, 2022

You haven't even been here a month, and you're trying to pick fights. Normally I don't care, or even notice, how long someone has been here, but you really need to lurk moar. Seriously. For your own good.


I feel sorry for @Pointless Sperg. All that time spent writing up a Jail FAQ, and newfags clearly can't be bothered to read it.

I'm not interested in fighting with you and I read the entire FAQ when it was written. In fact, I have a post asking for it to be updated to reflect current conditions because I was just rereading it recently.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/f-a-qs-about-jail-state-hospital-and-court.113466/post-12016130

I get what you are saying by the date. I understand Null posted here and complained in the stream about it. Feel free to look at my posts. I'm not here to flame or anything. You had points I strongly disagree with but I will leave it that.

 

[Bassomatic]

nool did nothing wrong.

What Null did to Chris makes Pol Pot look like an angel.

Jokes aside, as much as we like to (and much to his credit we can) dunk on Null, he really does allow us to disagree etc. Null was beyond fair and helping with Chris, none of us (aside maybe some of the OG inner circle (Marvin etc and I don't mean any disrespect towards them if they were in the know) he was helping with spammer and troll control etc.

Null had one simple request, sleep in the van a night. Shit looked so bad at this point and Null gave Chris one simple chance to sort things out and make sure he'd be clothed, fed and sheltered till the EPO ran out. Chris being Chris, felt one mild hassle was reason enough to lash out, steal and burn a bridge of a "former enemy turned ally".

It wasn't the dead of winter, gas hadn't spiked, wal marts let you park free for the night. So worse case Chris coulda ran the van all night long (idling takes like no gas on modern fuel injected things) played on his phone and napped on the 3rd row bench for a few hours Null would have bailed him out got him a room money for "stress toys" and food. Hell had Chris NOT fucked up, there's a good chance this coulda been forgotten about, we don't know how Barb reacted, she coulda said no coast clear after EPO... Chris would beg the dang dirty weens (and if cleared legally I'm sure many would feel pity) ruined his trip and donations rolling in again.

Chris did what he did because, he's Chris.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Chris did what he did because, he's Chris.

That's the whole situation summed up quite nicely.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Love you, but the pedant in me is going to correct some things.

The case was immediately moved to Juvenile & Domestic Relations court, which is not a court of record, so no information has been released about proceedings. You would not have heard about anything either way. There is literally nothing for you to remember.

It doesn't have to be a court of record to release information, it just doesn't release a transcript of everything . It's not releasing information because the hearings are closed and the information sealed (which, as Chris is an adult, the court doesn't really have to, other than some of the medical stuff). J&DR does restrict information often out of a sense of keeping family issues private, usually at the request of the victim. What their motivation is in Chris' case, I don't know.

But if they weren't closed, kiwis would be free to go to the hearings and take notes on the whole thing. In General District court (also not a court of record) you can do this most of the time.

That said, the prosecution almost always offers a plea deal or tries to negotiate one with the defense instead of dragging things out, especially with cases like Chris. Do you really believe they wanted to waste a whole year on Chris? Sometimes the offer is withdrawn if refused, but that's usually in criminal court, and usually only after the defendant has forced the prosecution to put work into the case. Chris is not going through criminal court. He's in J&DR court, which is far more concerned with finding a permanent solution to Chris than punishing him.

tl;dr: What makes you think Chris somehow wasn't offered a plea deal? Do you believe Chris is somehow a special case and the court is playing kick the autistic? Do you believe they somehow want to waste time on him that they don't need to?

I very much doubt they offered a plea deal without any jail time, given the nature of the crime and Chris' shitty behavior in general. If he hadn't tarded out at his arraignment, something might have been worked out somewhat quickly, and he probably would have at least been granted bail.

One factor is that prosecutors and defense attorneys usually have a mental or physical cheatsheet for fast plea deals. Both prosecution and defense can sit down, look at the details of the crime, the defendant's criminal history, and hash something out extremely quickly because it's been done so many times before. If the prosecutor and defense attorney have a long-running working relationship it can sometimes be done in a matter of minutes ("OK, how about the usual deal.")

This is probably Consolvo's first time dealing with a case like Chris. Adult incest with an elderly woman is not prosecuted very often, and while he's surely encountered retards like Chris, he's probably never seen them in combination.

I'd place good money on Heilberg having no experience with this set of circumstances either.

I am not certain what has been going on behind the scenes, but I'm sure there were some long discussions between Consolvo and Heilberg. I think it's likely that Chris also did some fuckup move at the six month hearing.

I feel sorry for @Pointless Sperg. All that time spent writing up a Jail FAQ, and newfags clearly can't be bothered to read it.

Thanks. Sorry I've been busy/lazy recently on updating it. Will do that tonight.

I'm not interested in fighting with you and I read the entire FAQ when it was written. In fact, I have a post asking for it to be updated to reflect current conditions because I was just rereading it recently.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/f-a-qs-about-jail-state-hospital-and-court.113466/post-12016130

And yeah, I'll fix it.

 

[Got Milk!]

And yeah, I'll fix it.

No worries. I just happened to be looking for some info I thought might be in there and noticed it still had the facility stuff as current so I thought I would mention it. Appreciate it when you get around to it.

 

[A Grey Cat]

What their motivation is in Chris' case, I don't know.

They want to keep things as quiet as possible because they know Chris attracts unwanted attention whenever he fucks up big time. As A1 said earlier if Chris has one superpower it's being more trouble than he's worth.

 

[Garfieldchu]

Cumming.
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The sad Sonichu and underboob sweat elevate this.

 

[A-№1]

You had points I strongly disagree with

Then post your receipts. Don't just say, "Nu Uh!"

(which, as Chris is an adult, the court doesn't really have to,

The point is not that they don't have to restrict information. The point is that they can and, more importantly, are. So far as I am aware, no details apart from the transfers from and back to CVRJ have gone public, and that's from the jail records, not the court.

What their motivation is in Chris' case, I don't know.

It's extremely likely the motivation was the circumstances of Chris' arrest and the court's desire to avoid further weenery. Chris' case was going to be trouble enough without having a bunch of attention whoring asshats from the internet clogging the public seating. That's a pain in the ass the court wanted to avoid, and could avoid by closing the proceedings, so they did. There were probably other reasons, such as Chris being an obvious DimCap case which invokes all sorts of potential mental health medical privacy issues, but trying to make things run as smoothly as possible had to have been high on the list.

But if they weren't closed, kiwis would be free to go to the hearings and take notes on the whole thing.

Because WE know how to behave. Weens do not. Weens are why we can't have nice things.

I very much doubt they offered a plea deal without any jail time, given the nature of the crime and Chris' shitty behavior in general.

I very much doubt they offered a plea deal without some confinement somewhere (and probably for longer than they could keep him in jail), but I doubt it was intended to be actual jail time. Obviously they weren't going to let Chris run free on his own recognizance, but there are far better paces than jail to put him. Keeping him in special snowflake custody in jail is expensive, especially compared to other facilities designed to deal with special snowflakes like Chris. For example, his stint in the state hospital seems to have done better with him than all his time spent in jail.

I'd place good money on Heilberg having no experience with this set of circumstances either.

I strongly suspect Heilberg came into this thinking it was a case of Kick the Tranny, and only discovered the full horror of what he'd stepped into after it was too late. Wasn't it just four days between Chris' arrest and Heilberg representing him at his arraignment? That's nowhere near enough time to do all the necessary homework on Chris.

I'm sure there were some long discussions between Consolvo and Heilberg.

I don't think their discussions were all that long, actually. I mean the solution to Chris is basically the same from both their perspectives. Obviously, Chris can't return to live with Barb. Chris can't return to 14BLC. Chris needs to be put in a tard home somewhere that he can be managed with a minimal risk of offending again. From Consolvo's perspective, Chris needs to be rehoused in a tard home for the good of the community. From Heilberg's perspective, Chris needs to be rehoused in a tard home for Chris' own long term health and safety. They're both right.

The only conflict, if there even was one, wasn't what to do with Chris so much as where to put him. Consolvo probably doesn't care so long as it's far away with a tall fence. Heilberg wants someplace reasonably comfortable for Chris with therapy etc.

And then, after all their work together, Chris had to go and fuck it all up. Probably by straight up refusing any plea deal that doesn't put him back at 14BLC with his toys and fuckmommy.

I think it's likely that Chris also did some fuckup move at the six month hearing.

I think that's fairly obvious, and not just at the six month hearing. I suspect he's been non-cooperative and obstinate from the arrest. You see, he won't feel safe until he gets his toys back.

Thanks. Sorry I've been busy/lazy recently on updating it. Will do that tonight.

You've already done more than enough. It's not your fault that people don't read it. Also, not even the CWCki is correct in all details.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

I’m not sure if Chris genuinely liked his wardrobe choices or if he was too autistic to draw himself wearing anything else.

Probably a mix of both, tbh

 

[Got Milk!]

Then post your receipts. Don't just say, "Nu Uh!"

I'm pretty sure we went a few rounds of disagreeing heavily with each other. I'm not sure what you're asking for, sorry?