Mega Rad Gun Thread

So the ATF has been hacked by ransomware group "Qilin", it is unclear at this moment what, if any data may have been copied/stolen or if ATF computer systems have been hijacked and what ransom amount is being demanded.
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ATF claims that everything is fine
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So the ATF has been hacked by ransomware group "Qilin", it is unclear at this moment what, if any data may have been copied/stolen or if ATF computer systems have been hijacked and what ransom amount is being demanded.
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ATF claims that everything is fine
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i heard the ATF shot some dogs out of frustration due to this hack
 
I keep eyeing the Savage Reneguage as a combat shotgun but I am getting bad vibes because a 1301 or M4 are several hundred more then it is. Now that Savage is partaking in their own line of overseas slop I'm a bit antsy about it.
Dude. The A300 Patrol is right there for like $800. Takes a bunch of 1301 parts, reliably shoots everything from 3" slugs to powderpuff trap loads and is just a very pleasant gun to own and shoot, even if it isn't a 1301.
 
Stop buying Turkshit. Spend a little more money and buy good guns. Otherwise you end up like my brother that has a ton of shit guns that he wont sell because nobody will give him what he wants for them. Its because theyre all low tier garbage.
Unironically this. Cheap as shit guns have HORRIFIC, and I mean actually horrific, like 70% depreciation the moment you get it transfered or fire ONE round through them.

If you want a cheap meme gun ok, but emphasis on "A"
 
dont buy turkshit unless you want a decent 1911 that's well built out of quality parts for 300 bucks because Colt doesn't even know how to make a proper 1911 for over 1000
 
So essentially double barrel shotguns in any configuration are damn expensive if you want a worthwhile quality level? Noted.

Well at least you all cured me of my Sharptail desire.
The problem for the double gun market is that there are tens of millions of used guns out there in good to brand new condition inhabiting the mid market space. So much so that new made guns just can’t compete.

A used Merkel SxS can be had from $600-$2000 in almost new condition depending on how it was specced out originally. When you price out the same gun from Merkel today, say a boxlock SxS with ejectors and some tasteful machine engraving you won’t get out the door for less than about 6-7k due to the inherit difficulty in manufacturing a quality double and high labor costs. A new US SxS from CSMC runs around 4-5k for base models for the same reasons.

The cheapest good quality US attempt at a double in modern times was the Ruger gold and red label guns, and even those were creeping towards 3k at the end and they were bare bone guns that Ruger was selling at a loss. It was one of Bill Ruger’s pet projects that was dropped after his death. They’re supposed to be being brought back. They’re being built under license by CSMC so they be 4-5k likely.

So, the only competitive markets for gunmakers are the very cheap end where the Turks and brazillians are and the high end market with the likes of CSMC, Merkel, krieghoff, Beretta, browning/miroku and the German, Italian and Spanish guilds. And then the luxury level with Galazan (CSMC best gun department), the London trade, top grade Berettas, and a few dozen other best quality gunmakers sprinkled across Europe.
 
The cheapest good quality US attempt at a double in modern times was the Ruger gold and red label guns, and even those were creeping towards 3k at the end and they were bare bone guns that Ruger was selling at a loss. It was one of Bill Ruger’s pet projects that was dropped after his death.
Modern Red Labels are $3200 🥹

Even then Ruger states they're made in partnership with CSMC and are relatively pedestrian looking.
 
ATF claims that everything is fine
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They are probably right. Government systems are prepared for multiple levels of backups for situations just like this. But its very likely going to be a very rough weeek to be an ATF computer toucher.


i heard the ATF shot some dogs out of frustration due to this hack
They shot up their Dog Curtains after realizing they didn't defend against Ransomeware, only hackers.
 
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