Mega Rad Gun Thread

So the ATF has been hacked by ransomware group "Qilin", it is unclear at this moment what, if any data may have been copied/stolen or if ATF computer systems have been hijacked and what ransom amount is being demanded.
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AGPinochet said:
So the ATF has been hacked by ransomware group "Qilin", it is unclear at this moment what, if any data may have been copied/stolen or if ATF computer systems have been hijacked and what ransom amount is being demanded.
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i heard the ATF shot some dogs out of frustration due to this hack
 
Boney said:
I keep eyeing the Savage Reneguage as a combat shotgun but I am getting bad vibes because a 1301 or M4 are several hundred more then it is. Now that Savage is partaking in their own line of overseas slop I'm a bit antsy about it.
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Dude. The A300 Patrol is right there for like $800. Takes a bunch of 1301 parts, reliably shoots everything from 3" slugs to powderpuff trap loads and is just a very pleasant gun to own and shoot, even if it isn't a 1301.
 
T-800 said:
Stop buying Turkshit. Spend a little more money and buy good guns. Otherwise you end up like my brother that has a ton of shit guns that he wont sell because nobody will give him what he wants for them. Its because theyre all low tier garbage.
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Unironically this. Cheap as shit guns have HORRIFIC, and I mean actually horrific, like 70% depreciation the moment you get it transfered or fire ONE round through them.

If you want a cheap meme gun ok, but emphasis on "A"
 
dont buy turkshit unless you want a decent 1911 that's well built out of quality parts for 300 bucks because Colt doesn't even know how to make a proper 1911 for over 1000
 
Dean Pentel said:
So essentially double barrel shotguns in any configuration are damn expensive if you want a worthwhile quality level? Noted.

Well at least you all cured me of my Sharptail desire.
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The problem for the double gun market is that there are tens of millions of used guns out there in good to brand new condition inhabiting the mid market space. So much so that new made guns just can’t compete.

A used Merkel SxS can be had from $600-$2000 in almost new condition depending on how it was specced out originally. When you price out the same gun from Merkel today, say a boxlock SxS with ejectors and some tasteful machine engraving you won’t get out the door for less than about 6-7k due to the inherit difficulty in manufacturing a quality double and high labor costs. A new US SxS from CSMC runs around 4-5k for base models for the same reasons.

The cheapest good quality US attempt at a double in modern times was the Ruger gold and red label guns, and even those were creeping towards 3k at the end and they were bare bone guns that Ruger was selling at a loss. It was one of Bill Ruger’s pet projects that was dropped after his death. They’re supposed to be being brought back. They’re being built under license by CSMC so they be 4-5k likely.

So, the only competitive markets for gunmakers are the very cheap end where the Turks and brazillians are and the high end market with the likes of CSMC, Merkel, krieghoff, Beretta, browning/miroku and the German, Italian and Spanish guilds. And then the luxury level with Galazan (CSMC best gun department), the London trade, top grade Berettas, and a few dozen other best quality gunmakers sprinkled across Europe.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
The cheapest good quality US attempt at a double in modern times was the Ruger gold and red label guns, and even those were creeping towards 3k at the end and they were bare bone guns that Ruger was selling at a loss. It was one of Bill Ruger’s pet projects that was dropped after his death.
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Modern Red Labels are $3200 🥹

Even then Ruger states they're made in partnership with CSMC and are relatively pedestrian looking.
 
AGPinochet said:
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They are probably right. Government systems are prepared for multiple levels of backups for situations just like this. But its very likely going to be a very rough weeek to be an ATF computer toucher.


Osama Bin Laden said:
i heard the ATF shot some dogs out of frustration due to this hack
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They shot up their Dog Curtains after realizing they didn't defend against Ransomeware, only hackers.
 
AGPinochet said:
So the ATF has been hacked by ransomware group "Qilin", it is unclear at this moment what, if any data may have been copied/stolen or if ATF computer systems have been hijacked and what ransom amount is being demanded.
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Rip Qilin. They're about to get mega fucked.
 
AGPinochet said:
So the ATF has been hacked by ransomware group "Qilin", it is unclear at this moment what, if any data may have been copied/stolen or if ATF computer systems have been hijacked and what ransom amount is being demanded.
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It couldn't have happened to a more deserving bunch of people
 
WhatInTheActualFuck said:
Dude. The A300 Patrol is right there for like $800. Takes a bunch of 1301 parts, reliably shoots everything from 3" slugs to powderpuff trap loads and is just a very pleasant gun to own and shoot, even if it isn't a 1301.
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This legitimately seems suspiciously perfect. What accounts for the attractive price? I can't find a thing wrong with it on paper.
 
Mister Fister said:
10 inch 308 with a muzzle brake. Anyone think of anything more awful to fire?
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The version of the .50BMG Barrett with the shorter barrel is heinous. I don't even want to be on the same range as that thing let alone shoot it.

I get the fascination with .50s when uninitiated but if you get the opportunity to shoot them and you actually enjoy it you're probably already brain damaged IMO. The quad M2 turret was present at a machine gun shoot I went to and it was unpleasant to be within 50ft of it, the soldiers who had to operate those things with minimal hearing protection during WW2 were suffering.
 
God's drunkest driver said:
The version of the .50BMG Barrett with the shorter barrel is heinous. I don't even want to be on the same range as that thing let alone shoot it.

I get the fascination with .50s when uninitiated but if you get the opportunity to shoot them and you actually enjoy it you're probably already brain damaged IMO. The quad M2 turret was present at a machine gun shoot I went to and it was unpleasant to be within 50ft of it, the soldiers who had to operate those things with minimal hearing protection during WW2 were suffering.
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I shot a .50 once and I noped out after that.
 
Boney said:
This legitimately seems suspiciously perfect. What accounts for the attractive price? I can't find a thing wrong with it on paper.
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Its a different gas system. 1301 uses BLINK which shoots "36% faster" and "4 shots in <1 second". As if you're going to out run the gun. Its also has the pro shell lifter which I think is supposed to stop finger pinches. But you can buy this separately and add it to the A300.

I dont know if the A300 does this, but you can just confetti out all your shells by holding the bolt back and lifting up on the button/tab:

 
Falcos_Commisar said:
Modern Red Labels are $3200 🥹

Even then Ruger states they're made in partnership with CSMC and are relatively pedestrian looking.
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I wouldn't get a Red Label as your only or first over and under. I wanted to go that way myself. I was offered a perfect Red Label by my FFL for $1,400, but after discussing it on the shotgun forums, I bought a Browning Citori XS with all the chokes and the factory leather case for less than that off a CalGuns seller. It was used, but appears brand new, The Browning is far nicer than the Ruger. I got the seller down to $1,275, a c-note or so less than the Ruger, for a better gun. It would be about $3,200 new. If I spent $3,200, I would likely get a used high-end Beretta. I really want a Perazzi, but that's definitely a class of its own. Remember to shop-shop-shop, and that you are going to get way more gun for your money buying pre-owned. I visit every gun shop in my area frequently for just that purpose. I just bought the new model Desert Eagle with the polished chrome finish (the model that barrels can be swapped to .50 AE) in .44 mag for $1,000. After all the fees and crap it was a little less than $1,250 OTD, which is still a smoking deal.
 
Janki's Mom said:
I wouldn't get a Red Label as your only or first over and under. I wanted to go that way myself. I was offered a perfect Red Label by my FFL for $1,400, but after discussing it on the shotgun forums, I bought a Browning Citori XS with all the chokes and the factory leather case for less than that off a CalGuns seller. It was used, but appears brand new, The Browning is far nicer than the Ruger. I got the seller down to $1,275, a c-note or so less than the Ruger, for a better gun. It would be about $3,200 new. If I spent $3,200, I would likely get a used high-end Beretta. I really want a Perazzi, but that's definitely a class of its own. Remember to shop-shop-shop, and that you are going to get way more gun for your money buying pre-owned. I visit every gun shop in my area frequently for just that purpose. I just bought the new model Desert Eagle with the polished chrome finish (the model that barrels can be swapped to .50 AE) in .44 mag for $1,000. After all the fees and crap it was a little less than $1,250 OTD, which is still a smoking deal.
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You’ll never go wrong with a used browning. It’s what people recommend for beginners in sporting clays etc. just good guns.

I’m wanting a superposed in 20 gauge personally. Pretty affordable used for the plain variants. Sky’s the limit though when you get into shotguns though
 
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