Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

All the "cool guys" hopped on the trend years ago, so there is merit to the whole "concept"

Aaron Cowen (guy who runs the Sage Dynamics youtube channel, he is THE guy to go to for information on pistol red dots and he regularly updates the "White Paper" of pistol red dots which details his personal round counts with particular optics and how they hold up over time) said it better than I can but essentially Red dots are great for "data collection". When shooting iron sights on a handgun you are supposed to be focusing on the front sight (However Lucky Gunner has demonstrated in one of his videos a "target focus" method that only works with Night Sights ut he personally suggests its use for 10 yards and in) meaning that the actual target will be out of focus, and in a real life defensive scenario the more you can see of the attacker(s) the better. As to Expense, yes red dots are more expensive than factory iron sights and still about double the cost of nice aftermarket sights. But if you ask me economies of scale in addition to relatively high quality chinese made offerings will cause red dots to become the standard on handguns like they are on (most) rifles today
For example, a nice Holosun can be had for around $250ish when not on sale, where as a nice set of Night Sights is around $100-140ish

I assume by "third generation" you are referring to S&W's metal framed handguns of olde?

Yeah I mean, I can see it becoming mainstream, I just don't think I'd want one until 2 problems are solved:

1) Standardized footprints. This whole system of how certain cuts allow only certain models needs to get standardized.
2) What sight type is superior? I'm seeing a lot of traction for enclosed red dots by steiner and groups. Will these end up being the standard in 2 years over the open style RMRs? Gotta wait and see.

 

[AGPinochet]

That's the ones. I have a couple and I think they could be at least every bit as viable as Beretta 92s and the Sig P22Xs which are still in production now with a few updates but I also recognize that the pistol meta has moved quite a bit from them.

If anything I think metal framed guns that are not1911's are making a bit of a comeback. Beretta recently released 3 new 92 models, Rock Island Armory now makes a metal framed glock clone thingy (albeit it isn't very good), Sig has released the AXG frame for the P320, I think to aftermarket companies are making aluminum frames for P365/XL's, Springfield has come out with the SA-35 with some modernizations such greater mag capacity and a trigger upgrade and now S&W is coming out with the CSX. Who knows, maybe metal framed carry guns that are not 1911's will be the next craze like polymer framed double stack microcompacts with or without optics mounting capability are today.
@Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX
Can't quote you as I posted and the page refreshed revealing your post.
now to adress your points
1. Footprints are MOSTLY standardized on RMR but yeah the DPP and a few other proprietary footprints are still kicking along, what really needs to happen is NSW Crane to do another scientific mil-spec test to determine which footprint is the best of them all like they did for M-lok Vs. Keymod.
2. As to enclosed vs Open. Modern enclosed pistol optics (Only counting slide riders not Aimpoint 3000's mounted on competition 1911's from the 80's nor am I counting the brief trend of mounting Aimpoint T1's on glocks) are generally considered a requirement for guns carried openly while open is generally considered fine for concealed carry. However depending on how paranoid you are (say for example you are really fucking terrified of getting into a defensive shooting in a muddy field while caught in a downpour in which you are rolling around with a feral methhead) an enclosed optic for CC will do you just fine.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

idk, maybe I'm just old skool, but we outta be puttin shotgun bead sights on pistols. Reject technology, embrace tradition.

 

[White Devil]

What are your takes on a red dot pistol? I've said it before, but it is crazy to think about, I could only imagine nutnfancy's video response if it started trending back in 2012 lol. I would personally consider it for a police duty gun I guess, MAYBE for a infantry loadout, but idk for concealed. In general, it seems like an expensive solution to training problem that is even more expensive if you want to be able to shoot with dead batteries (unless it's low enough like the mossberg above).

First off,

I have optics on my duty pistol and my concealed. Trijicon and the Holosun 507 are the current best ones in my experience for duty or defensive use. I'm not a big fan of mailbox optics but for entirely personally subjective reasons.

Secondly, using an MRDS on a pistol won't make you magically worse at irons. It's a whole new skill you have to train, to find the dot quickly etc. What I've seen a lot of guys do is just slave the dot to their irons so it's essentially just assisted shooting. I can tell you after using a pistol dot on duty for a year, I wouldn't go back. Target acquisition and firing accuracy is insane once you're trained and experienced on using them. Batteries last five years for the optics I use, always on or shake awake.

Carrying concealed with an optic takes getting used to but like carrying concealed in general, it's a body composition thing. It will be more uncomfortable if you're fat. I'd recommend a sweat guard behind the optic on any concealed holster.

I'm going to stress that this doesn't magically replace irons shooting, it's just quicker acquisition. If my optic fucks up or the batteries die, I can still use the suppressor height irons on my duty gun like normal. If it happens on my carry gun, my LE G43x came with Ameriglo night sights that once again, let you shoot irons just fine. The only way you'll have issues is if you're one of those dumbasses that removes their pistol iron sights entirely.

Yes, the set ups get expensive quickly for quality gear, but that's always been true of firearms everything, don't let that intimidate you into thinking it's a cool guy only thing. Be Smart, do your research, and buy what compliments what you're trying to do. If you want a dot set up, get irons you can use in case of failure. Buy a reputable brand that isn't known for failures (Like Vortex MRDS and the glass falling out). Practice, practice, practice.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

I conceal carry a micro draco just so that I don't have to aim, optic or no optic

 

[MrJokerRager]

What are folk's thoughts on this new rifle by Springfield Armory?

SAINT® Edge ATC AR-15 Rifles - Springfield Armory

www.springfield-armory.com

 

[AGPinochet]

uy a reputable brand that isn't known for failures (Like Vortex MRDS and the glass falling out). Practice, practice, practice.

I probably should have linked this in my earlier posts but here is the Sage Dynamics White Paper, a document that tells you which pistol optics are good and which are bad, Vortex's as you mentioned, are bad.

https://1312bba5-e7e7-76e8-1fca-a01bfd3a0b6e.filesusr.com/ugd/7dc128_65844d9baead41afab8bfabb23e912fa.pdf

What are folk's thoughts on this new rifle by Springfield Armory?

SAINT® Edge ATC AR-15 Rifles - Springfield Armory

www.springfield-armory.com

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It's not a new rifle, it's a design that Springfield bought off some company (they might have been called Darkhorse Armory or something, they were at the 2018 SHOT show). I can't speak to how good the "technology" is though, for those that don't know the handguard is integrated into the lower.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

What are folk's thoughts on this new rifle by Springfield Armory?

SAINT® Edge ATC AR-15 Rifles - Springfield Armory

www.springfield-armory.com

View attachment 2851710

Is that from a satire gun news website? That's not real right?

 

[UVB-76]

Is that from a satire gun news website? That's not real right?

It's real

I just don't understand why the whole thing is aluminum. Seems like it would be cheaper and lighter to have an aluminum skeleton to serve as mounting points for the rails and then mold it into polymer.

 

[Blasterisk]

It's real
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XXkUWAwc-3EI just don't understand why the whole thing is aluminum. Seems like it would be cheaper and lighter to have an aluminum skeleton to serve as mounting points for the rails and then mold it into polymer.

Website lists it as 10lbs 1oz. empty scopeless

Can't you just buy some duct tape and a brick for the AR you already own? Seems cheaper and nearly the same result.

 

[AGPinochet]

Some new info on the S&W CSX
Firstly IT'S REAL and there are videos

NEW Smith & Wesson CSX 9mm Single Action Micro Compact Full Review | Features and Tear Down

Smith and Wesson starts 2022 with a bang, dropping a NEW Micro Compact pistol in 9mm. It features an ALL Aluminum Frame, Thumb Safety, Ambidextrous Slide Loc...

www.youtube.com

Smith & Wesson Shocks the World: The CSX 9mm

A totally new design, Smith and Wesson brings us the surprising CSX. Maybe you can think of it as a combination of Sig P938 and a Shield Plus. Continuing an ...

www.youtube.com

New Smith & Wesson CSX 9mm Pistol at Nagel's

San Antonio's Original GunShop, Since 1942.Offering firearms, knives, accessories, and gunsmithing.Nagel's Gun Shop6201 San Pedro AveSan Antonio, TX 78216(21...

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New Smith & Wesson CSX - The Armories review and Range Report!

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And to quote an Anon from /k/
"My LGS just sent me an e-mail for pre-order of these; stating they should be ready for pickup in 7-10 days. $600. That's the gun and two mags (one 12 rounder one 10 rounder)."
EDIT: apparently it's trigger is ass, Nutnfancy said that the best pull he got was 7.7lbs.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

Some new info on the S&W CSX
Firstly IT'S REAL and there are videos

NEW Smith & Wesson CSX 9mm Single Action Micro Compact Full Review | Features and Tear Down

Smith and Wesson starts 2022 with a bang, dropping a NEW Micro Compact pistol in 9mm. It features an ALL Aluminum Frame, Thumb Safety, Ambidextrous Slide Loc...

www.youtube.com

Smith & Wesson Shocks the World: The CSX 9mm

A totally new design, Smith and Wesson brings us the surprising CSX. Maybe you can think of it as a combination of Sig P938 and a Shield Plus. Continuing an ...

www.youtube.com

New Smith & Wesson CSX 9mm Pistol at Nagel's

San Antonio's Original GunShop, Since 1942.Offering firearms, knives, accessories, and gunsmithing.Nagel's Gun Shop6201 San Pedro AveSan Antonio, TX 78216(21...

www.youtube.com

New Smith & Wesson CSX - The Armories review and Range Report!

__________Connect with us on social!Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/armoriesInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thearmories/Pinterest: https://www.pinter...

www.youtube.com

And to quote an Anon from /k/
"My LGS just sent me an e-mail for pre-order of these; stating they should be ready for pickup in 7-10 days. $600. That's the gun and two mags (one 12 rounder one 10 rounder)."
EDIT: apparently it's trigger is ass, Nutnfancy said that the best pull he got was 7.7lbs.

I wonder why they're bothering with the trigger safety to begin with on an SAO gun that's meant to be carried cocked and locked like the Colt Mustang/Sig P938 it's going to be competing with and if that's why the trigger is ass. The kind of shooter that doesn't care about trigger pull is also probably not going to be getting this over a M&P Shield.

 

[AGPinochet]

I wonder why they're bothering with the trigger safety to begin with on an SAO gun that's meant to be carried cocked and locked like the Colt Mustang/Sig P938 it's going to be competing with and if that's why the trigger is ass. The kind of shooter that doesn't care about trigger pull is also probably not going to be getting this over a M&P Shield.

I honestly have no idea why S&W made it, they probably had a market research study done or something saying that they could sell it to someone. It doesn't seem like a bad gun aside from the trigger being a bit shitty but there will almost certainly be a Gen II or "Pro" model that will fix all the faults of the original.

 

[MCLOS Horthy]

What are folk's thoughts on this new rifle by Springfield Armory?

SAINT® Edge ATC AR-15 Rifles - Springfield Armory

www.springfield-armory.com

View attachment 2851710

Looks like some kind of generic assault rifle from a videogame from 2008.

"Press X to pick up Mackson MR-18"

 

[Iceland Heavy]

I honestly have no idea why S&W made it, they probably had a market research study done or something saying that they could sell it to someone. It doesn't seem like a bad gun aside from the trigger being a bit shitty but there will almost certainly be a Gen II or "Pro" model that will fix all the faults of the original.

Knowing S&W it'll be a 'Performance Center' model with fiber optic sights and garish slide cuts. Then if it continues to sell at all a 2.0 down the line somewhere.

 

[AGPinochet]

Knowing S&W it'll be a 'Performance Center' model with fiber optic sights and garish slide cuts.

Don't forget TiN parts

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

S&W has become a odd company. I feel like they have a weird production line.

Revolvers: The only people buying revolvers are collectors, range shooters, and retards, yet their line doesn't feel like it caters to the later. Their std line seems like it still tries to cater to people who would use revolvers seriously? Idk, Seems like it could be improved and frankly, performance center focus changed from weird "upgrades" to shit like laser engravings or something.

M&P: whew boy, what a line. I almost feel bad, you can tell M&P is trying to not just copy glock like others do, but they need to learn how to make a trigger: 1) M&P9/40 triggers were hot garbage and the design sucked 2) 2.0 triggers are apparently better but design still sucks, 3) the new M&P15 flat trigger apparently is hot garbage, which is like the selling point of their "top of the line ar" (lol), and now 4) this one.

I want to like S&W more, I like their classic series revolvers, but they need to like, burn and rebuild M&P imo.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Looks like some kind of generic assault rifle from a videogame from 2008.

"Press X to pick up Mackson MR-18"

It does have a futuristic Halo type look to it.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

S&W has become a odd company. I feel like they have a weird production line.

Revolvers: The only people buying revolvers are collectors, range shooters, and retards, yet their line doesn't feel like it caters to the later. Their std line seems like it still tries to cater to people who would use revolvers seriously? Idk, Seems like it could be improved and frankly, performance center focus changed from weird "upgrades" to shit like laser engravings or something.

M&P: whew boy, what a line. I almost feel bad, you can tell M&P is trying to not just copy glock like others do, but they need to learn how to make a trigger: 1) M&P9/40 triggers were hot garbage and the design sucked 2) 2.0 triggers are apparently better but design still sucks, 3) the new M&P15 flat trigger apparently is hot garbage, which is like the selling point of their "top of the line ar" (lol), and now 4) this one.

I want to like S&W more, I like their classic series revolvers, but they need to like, burn and rebuild M&P imo.

S&W did know how to make triggers as you'll hear nothing but praise for them on their older, pre-lock revolvers and the 3rd generation autos had very nice triggers as well. It feels like they just became a totally different company after the smartgun bullshit in the late 90s almost completely bankrupted them.

 

[likeacrackado]

S&W has become a odd company. I feel like they have a weird production line.

Revolvers: The only people buying revolvers are collectors, range shooters, and retards, yet their line doesn't feel like it caters to the later. Their std line seems like it still tries to cater to people who would use revolvers seriously? Idk, Seems like it could be improved and frankly, performance center focus changed from weird "upgrades" to shit like laser engravings or something.

M&P: whew boy, what a line. I almost feel bad, you can tell M&P is trying to not just copy glock like others do, but they need to learn how to make a trigger: 1) M&P9/40 triggers were hot garbage and the design sucked 2) 2.0 triggers are apparently better but design still sucks, 3) the new M&P15 flat trigger apparently is hot garbage, which is like the selling point of their "top of the line ar" (lol), and now 4) this one.

I want to like S&W more, I like their classic series revolvers, but they need to like, burn and rebuild M&P imo.

My personal feeling with them is that they chase a lot of different niche audiences and have succeeded in creating a brand with in roads all across the market. The only place where they've completely failed is in mid-high end ARs where you can't get away with throwing a little R&D and allowing your manufacturing capabilities and general public name recognition to carry sales.

The weird shit they make does sell. Even these abominations:

Sold fairly fast at my LGS.

The wheels do seem to have come off a little with these last few product launches and I wonder how sustainable their strategy is long term.