Mega Rad Gun Thread

[iterator]

Also found out that the only difference between mini-14 and ar-15 is the design of the stock basically. Its just one looks very scary and the other can be disguised as a regular hunting rifle.

Mini-14s had a very bad reputation for accuracy once upon a time. Fine for shooting pigs close in, but looser a couple hundred metres out.

I've heard they improved this a decade or so ago but haven't shot a newer one, so worth investigating if you're looking at buying a used one. Of course, they're banned here now, so don't think that 'not being scary' will save your tools if you aren't willing to resist gun-grabbers by force (yet).

 

[ShortBusDriver]

Personally, I'm into more classical looking guns such as bolt action rifles and double rifles. You can blame this primarily to me reading tons of stories about African safaris. My personal dream rifle would be a double SxS in 500 Nitro Express.

I'd love to have a Remington Model 8, better yet, a modern one in a modern caliber like .308

Mini-14s had a very bad reputation for accuracy once upon a time. Fine for shooting pigs close in, but looser a couple hundred metres out.

I've heard they improved this a decade or so ago but haven't shot a newer one, so worth investigating if you're looking at buying a used one. Of course, they're banned here now, so don't think that 'not being scary' will save your tools if you aren't willing to resist gun-grabbers by force (yet).

They're been great for over 10 years now

Ruger beefed up the barrel, and bought better equipment to cut the bore, the modern ones are very accurate, as well accurate as this class of gun can be.

The old barrel is the top, the modern is the bottom.

 

[Duke Nukem]

The Democrats are trying to use the fear and confusion of the Coronavirus pandemic to pass gun control. "Never let a crisis go to waste." They have submitted HR 5717, which is the worst piece of gun control ever put forth. It's not only an "assault weapons" ban on steroids, but would also force people to get a federal license to purchase and own firearms and ammunition, place a 30% federal tax on firearms and 50% tax on ammo purchases, red flag laws, and so much more. They're basically doing what they did with the Hughes Amendment and are trying to sneak it in when no one is looking. Make sure you write your reps and congress critters and tell them to oppose any new gun control.

In lighter news, the holster I ordered for the Dan Wesson Specialist that Mrs. Dude got me for Christmas arrived, and I'm absolutely thrilled by it. The guy who made it is friends of my favorite author Larry Correia, so the holster is themed to Larry's Monster Hunter International books.

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And I'm hoping to buy a CZ BREN 2 pistol in 7.62x39mm sometime soon for an SBR build. I'll end up putting an arm brace on it until my Form 1 is completed, but I essentially want to do it up similarly to how the French GIGN have their BREN 2s done.

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Well that doesn't surprise me, fucks are always trying to throw one in edgewise. I doubt it will actually get through but it's good to know.

Considering an AR-10 build because I'd like a long range heavy hitter. Trying to obtain certain components is difficult at the moment, especially if you want to build a specific type of setup, but just be patient for a while and I'm sure it'll all work out. Still wondering about 20" vs. 24+" barrel and whether to go "retro" or just get a modern rail handguard. I suppose I can always change my mind later on but right now I'm trying to get something that works. I got a lower, and an A2 solid stock/lower parts kit on the way among other things, so I'll at least be able to choose later.

Probably doesn't matter too much right now, places are getting orders like crazy and sometimes 15 days behind at the moment. So it might be prudent at the moment to just get whatever fits, especially if they lock things down in the coming weeks or whatever the fuck.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Mini-14s had a very bad reputation for accuracy once upon a time. Fine for shooting pigs close in, but looser a couple hundred metres out.

I've heard they improved this a decade or so ago but haven't shot a newer one, so worth investigating if you're looking at buying a used one. Of course, they're banned here now, so don't think that 'not being scary' will save your tools if you aren't willing to resist gun-grabbers by force (yet).

I guess you don't live in California then lol. Which country you in that banned it?

 

[iterator]

I guess you don't live in California then lol. Which country you in that banned it?

*coof* Kiwiland

 

[The Dude]

Damn man just taking out my whole bucket list LOL, but congrats on all that.

I really want to like the BREN 2 but the proprietary mags on the 7.62x39 version just rubs me the wrong way., especially for a gun that's already like $1800.

The problem with 7.62x39mm is that the magazine needs to be curved to properly allow the rounds to feed. With the AK they have rock in/out magazines, so that curve can be along the majority of the magazine length. But for a rifle where the magazine is inserted into a magwell, like the AR or BREN 2, it requires a section of the mag's length to be straight to facilitate being inserted into the magwell. A lot of the mags designed for the AR to be chambered in 7.62x39mm are unreliable and have feeding issues because the AR was never designed to be chambered in that round. The BREN 2 on the other hand was designed from the outset to fire both 5.56x45mm and 7.62x39mm because the Czech military uses both calibers. That includes magazines that will reliably feed the weapon. So I'm OK with it having proprietary mags, especially since CZ usually offers excellent kit and weapons for a reasonable price. And I'd rather have something I know I can rely on than a work around solution of questionable functionality, like with the 7.62x39mm AR15 mags.

 

[Duke Nukem]

The problem with 7.62x39mm is that the magazine needs to be curved to properly allow the rounds to feed. With the AK they have rock in/out magazines, so that curve can be along the majority of the magazine length. But for a rifle where the magazine is inserted into a magwell, like the AR or BREN 2, it requires a section of the mag's length to be straight to facilitate being inserted into the magwell. A lot of the mags designed for the AR to be chambered in 7.62x39mm are unreliable and have feeding issues because the AR was never designed to be chambered in that round. The BREN 2 on the other hand was designed from the outset to fire both 5.56x45mm and 7.62x39mm because the Czech military uses both calibers. That includes magazines that will reliably feed the weapon. So I'm OK with it having proprietary mags, especially since CZ usually offers excellent kit and weapons for a reasonable price. And I'd rather have something I know I can rely on than a work around solution of questionable functionality, like with the 7.62x39mm AR15 mags.

I'd still like to build a 7.62x39 AR or even 9x39. C Products magazines are decent I have a couple of steel 5.56 ones from them. Still prefer AK though for that, but it would be hilarious to buy a gas piston kit for AR to shoot 7.62

Also if you didn't get what you want already I dunno what to tell you, the virus is shutting down some businesses among other things.

 

[Club Sandwich]

C-Products Dura-Mag stainless steel works with most 7.62x39mm "Fireball" uppers that have the double-wide feed ramp in the barrel extension explicitly for 7.62x39mm ammunition (this is different from M4 feed ramps). back in the day when Colt released the Sporter Lightweight in 7.62x39, the majority of feed issues were not using an altered feed ramp (which allowed cartridges that weren't being presented perfectly to jam into the flat in the barrel extension) and the use of a 30 round adapted magazine which was a pile of crap. it worked quite well with the 20 and 25 round straight magazines though.

over the years (Olympic, Bushmaster, Model 1 Sales, even late J&T models) came out in 7.62x39 but were wonky for varying reasons. it wasn't until C-Products and Bushmaster collaborated on the XM-15E2S 762 rifle (sold through Model 1 Sales and even Del-ton in the late 90's) that the solution was learned:

1. a single double-wide feed ramp of a precise geometry in the barrel extension
1a. note the ramp geometry is dished at the sides and "double-width".
1b.
2. new feed lip geometry for an angled presentation to the bolt (C-Products Dura-Mag SS 7.62, PN# CPD-762X39-MAG)
3. an altered bolt that has a widened FP channel and used an altered hardening QPQ process (early M1S, Colt, LWRC, OA, et c had cracked lugs because of this - the new business is a Y/M 9310 bolt from The Buffalo out in Ventura, although if you have a gentle gas system like a 16-inch barrel and a gas bleed on a very wide gas port you can use a Bushmaster bolt reliably).
4. an enlarged gas port (0.083" iirc, but i haven't taken one apart in a long time) to lower overall gas pressure to more typical AR-15 levels. this also has the effect of lowering bolt carrier group velocity. note that this is for a 16" barrel with carbine-length gas system.
5. go with a different solution entirely: throw all the above away and buy a purpose built rifle (KAC-47, CMMG Mutant, Colt Model CK901, et c).

those are the options. these days if someone wants me to build (rather than buy) a rifle for them, i'll usually go with a Buffalo bolt, mostly quality OEM ar-15 parts with a couple premium options like LMT, and a Bushmaster or DPMS (Wilson) barrel.

 

[Tour of Italy]

Well that doesn't surprise me, fucks are always trying to throw one in edgewise. I doubt it will actually get through but it's good to know.

Considering an AR-10 build because I'd like a long range heavy hitter. Trying to obtain certain components is difficult at the moment, especially if you want to build a specific type of setup, but just be patient for a while and I'm sure it'll all work out. Still wondering about 20" vs. 24+" barrel and whether to go "retro" or just get a modern rail handguard. I suppose I can always change my mind later on but right now I'm trying to get something that works. I got a lower, and an A2 solid stock/lower parts kit on the way among other things, so I'll at least be able to choose later.

Probably doesn't matter too much right now, places are getting orders like crazy and sometimes 15 days behind at the moment. So it might be prudent at the moment to just get whatever fits, especially if they lock things down in the coming weeks or whatever the fuck.

Brownell’s is still having reasonable turn around times for shipping. I panic bought a carbine length upper with BCG and charging handle last Thursday and it’s getting here tomorrow.

Places like Anderson and PSA are backed up though, and a lot of the other suppliers are just simply out of stock.

I’m regretting not springing the extra $40 and getting the mid length upper, but I’m telling myself I can cut the carbine barrel to 12.5” to get the length I originally wanted for my pistol lower. There’s a local gun shop that does simple AR smithing at reasonable rates.

 

[SigSauer]

Here's some good antique guns for you kiwi felons.

MAS 1873 revolver

Type 26 revolver

Mars Automatic Pistol

Bergmann-Schmeisser M1893 pistol

Bergmann No. 5/1897

Bittner Model 1893

Bergmann Simplex

Lefaucheux M1858

Sauer Bär pistol

Manlicher M1894

Bergmann 1896

French Palm Pistols

Devisme revolvers

M1879 Reichsrevolver

Gasser M1870

Raphael revolver

Tranter revolver

Colt Model 1849

Volcanic Reapeating Pistol

Smith & Wesson Model 1 1/2

 

[Prompt Critical]

I a bid on a very nice revolver lot at the last RIAC regional that had a pair of Gasser 1898s, a pair of Bodeo 1889s, a Nagant 1895 and a Swiss 1882/29. Unfortunately I was BTFOed by somebody with a lot more cash to spend than I had.

I'd still really like to get a Gasser someday. Military revolvers are cool.

 

[Particle Bored]

FGC-9 ("Fuck Gun Control"), 1st almost-entirely 3d printed pistol-caliber carbine, has been released.

The FGC-9 Fulfills the Promise of 3D Printed Guns

The guerrilla 3D-gun file development group Deterrence Dispensed released to the public yesterday the much-anticipated FGC-9 project. The FGC-9 is described in the official release documentation as…

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[Based Department]

FGC-9 ("Fuck Gun Control"), 1st almost-entirely 3d printed pistol-caliber carbine, has been released.

The FGC-9 Fulfills the Promise of 3D Printed Guns

The guerrilla 3D-gun file development group Deterrence Dispensed released to the public yesterday the much-anticipated FGC-9 project. The FGC-9 is described in the official release documentation as…

www.enblocpress.com

https://archive.li/PI4lq

Yep, the FGC9 is awesome. They're releasing a Bolt Hold Open / HK-Slap version and a 16 inch barrel modification as well so you can put a real stock (not just a pistol brace) on it. Open source truly is amazing.

 

[The Dude]

Well, I didn't end up getting the BREN 2 with my CoronaBux. An opportunity came up that I just couldn't pass on. I found a couple of online bang shops that happened to have Fostech Origin 12 shotguns in stock. By the time my ChiCom Coof Coins came in only one was still in stock at one shop, so I jumped on it. Origin 12s are rarely ever in stock, there's an eight month waiting list to get one directly from Fostech, and when they come up for sale secondhand the seller is usually asking for several hundred dollars more than MSRP. Atlantic Firearms had one in stock for $2400, which is actually a little less than current MSRP.

I've kind of avoided shotguns because I've had more experience with rifles and handguns, so that's where my muscle memory is. I'm just more used to the manual of arms for rifles and carbines, with their detachable box magazines and lever style safety selectors, than I am shucking shells one at a time into a tubular magazine. And for most shotguns with a box magazine (like Saigas, VEPRs, and those Turkish AR style shotguns) the reliability can be spoty and the mags that are most widely available tend to be cheaply made (the Russian made VEPR 12 mags are great, but can be hard to find and expensive).

The Origin 12 took all the best parts of AK based shotguns and fixed all the known problem areas. The magazines are high quality, rugged, and built specifically for the weapon. The ejection port is massive, so you don't have to worry about spent hulls getting stuck during ejection, and has a fold away dust cover like an AR. The safety is an ambi lever similar to an AR. Gas system is fully adjustable and the weapon will cycle everything from like sport loads to high brass slugs and buckshot. It has a last round bolt hold open and the bolt release can be hit with your trigger finger (if you're right handed). Charging handle is on the left side of the weapon up at the top of the handguard. Mag release can be manipulated with either the trigger finger or the thumb of the support hand. Mags drop free and insert like an AR. Basically it's a shotgun you run like a carbine.

So, enough talking the thing up. Here's some photos.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Fostech Origin 12

do not use "reduced recoil" or "recoil control" ammunition, the carrier and gas system is tuned specifically for standard full power loads and reduced recoil can induce a short stroke where the shell cannot be raised to clear the feed ramp quickly enough for the early return of the carrier from the recoil impulse, causing a failure to feed.

i kind of wouldn't trust dove loads either, but #8 and higher pellets at 1300+ fps should be okay. several Origin 12's i've had pass through my hands had cracked welds at the rear of the trunnion which seem to be stress induced rather than user-caused. i think i would have chosen thicker sheet metal or maybe a differential heat treatment that wasn't as brittle if i were assembling one. the recoil impulse either is flexing too much or not enough of the receiver to break the spot welds.

 

[nekrataal]

I’m kind of annoyed by how hard it is to get 9mm luger where I live. I just want FMJs I can shoot at the range.

 

[The Dude]

do not use "reduced recoil" or "recoil control" ammunition, the carrier and gas system is tuned specifically for standard full power loads and reduced recoil can induce a short stroke where the shell cannot be raised to clear the feed ramp quickly enough for the early return of the carrier from the recoil impulse, causing a failure to feed.

i kind of wouldn't trust dove loads either, but #8 and higher pellets at 1300+ fps should be okay. several Origin 12's i've had pass through my hands had cracked welds at the rear of the trunnion which seem to be stress induced rather than user-caused. i think i would have chosen thicker sheet metal or maybe a differential heat treatment that wasn't as brittle if i were assembling one. the recoil impulse either is flexing too much or not enough of the receiver to break the spot welds.

The Origin 12 has an adjustable gas system. It's specifically designed to be able to accommodate and cycle virtually any kind of 2 3/4" load, aside from less lethal loads. For light loads, open up the gas more. Heavy loads, turn the gas down. If you're seeing trunion cracks then it's likely due to the owners not knowing how to adjust the gas properly and are over-gassing with hot loads.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I’m kind of annoyed by how hard it is to get 9mm luger where I live. I just want FMJs I can shoot at the range.

True, it's not cheap for FMJ in certain calibers in my area but at least I can get a few hunting/defense loads, so if things get worse I have a cartridge that actually does something other than pass through.

For 9mm I have a few varieties of defense/hollow points, same in .45, but I'm wondering if I should get a 10mm slide or conversion barrel for my Polymer 80 large frame.

 

[nekrataal]

True, it's not cheap for FMJ in certain calibers in my area but at least I can get a few hunting/defense loads, so if things get worse I have a cartridge that actually does something other than pass through.

For 9mm I have a few varieties of defense/hollow points, same in .45, but I'm wondering if I should get a 10mm slide or conversion barrel for my Polymer 80 large frame.

It wouldn’t hurt to have the option available. I’ve contemplated getting something in 10mm just because the ammunition isn’t as quick to sell in times like these like 9mm, .45 and .380 have been selling.

If you know how to hand load/reload cartridges, then that’s also a plus.

 

[The Dude]

10mm is honestly my favorite pistol cartridge. I sadly don't have one right now, but I did have a former FBI issued Smith and Wesson 1076, which was one of the best 10mm pistols available up until recently. In the early 90s the FBI adopted the 10mm Auto cartridge as their official sidearm cartridge, replacing the .38 Special and 9mm. They did this after the events of the 1986 Miami Shootout, where two bank robbers armed with a shotgun and a Ruger Mini-14 rifle got into a firefight with eight FBI agents who were mostly armed with .38s, 9mms, two .357 Magnums, and two Remington 870 shotguns. One of the agents had his .357 on the car seat next to him and lost it when he had to break quickly, so had to rely on his snub-nosed .38 backup pistol. The other agent with a .357 actually had his pistol loaded with +P .38s, which aren't as potent as actual .357 Magnum rounds. Only one agent came away unscathed, but it took several rounds each to stop the robbers (12 for one and 6 for the other) and most of the shots were not instantly fatal or incapacitating. They were able to continue to engage the agents for four minutes until one was struck in the back, then above the right eye and chest after he turned around which took him out of the fight, and the other was shot three times in the face.

The FBI decided their agents needed better firepower. They adopted the 10mm and approached Smith and Wesson to build them a gun for the relatively new and uncommon round. Smith and Wesson built the gun on their Gen 3 semi-auto design, but had Wayne Novak help them out. S&W and Novak basically custom designed the pistol for the FBI, changing many of the features found on their other Gen 3 pistols (including their other 10mm offerings) in the process. It was a traditional DA/SA action, single stack pistol, but instead of the typical slide-mounted decock/safety lever found on other Smiths, they instead moved the decocker down on the left side of the frame, much like those found on SIG Sauer pistols. The hammer was bobbed and Novak tritium sights were mounted.

The problem was that most FBI agents at the time didn't have a lot of firearms experience before they entered the academy. The older agents were used to their .38s and 9mms, and the newer agents weren't used to shooting period. They had a difficult time coping with the stout recoil of the 10mm (about 700 ft. lbs. at the muzzle at the time). So they worked with their ammunition supplier Federal to develop a lighter load. They settled on a 180gr hollow point traveling at 1000 ft./sec. vs. 1300 ft./sec. for the original loading. So now they had this big, single stack auto with neutered ammo. Eventually Smith and Wesson figured they could take that same load data but cut the cartridge case down so it would fit in a double stack auto, and that's how the .40 S&W was born.

Why do I bring this all up? Well, because the FBI adopted a special light load for their duty ammo, the rest of the manufacturers making 10mm ammo followed suit, and for the longest time all factory 10mm ammo was loaded lighter. It's a similar story today, but more ammunition manufacturers are starting to load 10mm back to it's full potential. Buffalo Bore and Double Tap have some pretty awesome loads that are actually more potent than the old standard loads (800+ ft. lbs. in some cases). So if you're going to get into 10mm, make sure you check the load specs. I'm personally of the opinion that if you're going to buy a 10mm pistol, but only buy ammo loaded to 1000 ft./sec. and just over 500 ft. lbs. at the muzzle, you may as well stick with .40 Short and Wimpy.

I'll eventually get myself another 10mm pistol. I really like the SIG P220 Legion in 10mm, but the one I'm really interested in is the new FK Brno pistol with the polymer frame and caliber swap ability. The pistol comes with three barrels: 9mm, 10mm, and their proprietary 7.5 FK. I was really looking forward to Vltor bringing back the Bren Ten pistol, but they abandoned the project and no one has taken them up on their offer to sell off the tooling and R&D data. I was really excited about the Bren Ten getting a second chance. Tangfoglio/EAA Witness make some nice 10mms too.