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10mm is honestly my favorite pistol cartridge. I sadly don't have one right now, but I did have a former FBI issued Smith and Wesson 1076, which was one of the best 10mm pistols available up until recently. In the early 90s the FBI adopted the 10mm Auto cartridge as their official sidearm cartridge, replacing the .38 Special and 9mm. They did this after the events of the 1986 Miami Shootout, where two bank robbers armed with a shotgun and a Ruger Mini-14 rifle got into a firefight with eight FBI agents who were mostly armed with .38s, 9mms, two .357 Magnums, and two Remington 870 shotguns. One of the agents had his .357 on the car seat next to him and lost it when he had to break quickly, so had to rely on his snub-nosed .38 backup pistol. The other agent with a .357 actually had his pistol loaded with +P .38s, which aren't as potent as actual .357 Magnum rounds. Only one agent came away unscathed, but it took several rounds each to stop the robbers (12 for one and 6 for the other) and most of the shots were not instantly fatal or incapacitating. They were able to continue to engage the agents for four minutes until one was struck in the back, then above the right eye and chest after he turned around which took him out of the fight, and the other was shot three times in the face.

The FBI decided their agents needed better firepower. They adopted the 10mm and approached Smith and Wesson to build them a gun for the relatively new and uncommon round. Smith and Wesson built the gun on their Gen 3 semi-auto design, but had Wayne Novak help them out. S&W and Novak basically custom designed the pistol for the FBI, changing many of the features found on their other Gen 3 pistols (including their other 10mm offerings) in the process. It was a traditional DA/SA action, single stack pistol, but instead of the typical slide-mounted decock/safety lever found on other Smiths, they instead moved the decocker down on the left side of the frame, much like those found on SIG Sauer pistols. The hammer was bobbed and Novak tritium sights were mounted.

The problem was that most FBI agents at the time didn't have a lot of firearms experience before they entered the academy. The older agents were used to their .38s and 9mms, and the newer agents weren't used to shooting period. They had a difficult time coping with the stout recoil of the 10mm (about 700 ft. lbs. at the muzzle at the time). So they worked with their ammunition supplier Federal to develop a lighter load. They settled on a 180gr hollow point traveling at 1000 ft./sec. vs. 1300 ft./sec. for the original loading. So now they had this big, single stack auto with neutered ammo. Eventually Smith and Wesson figured they could take that same load data but cut the cartridge case down so it would fit in a double stack auto, and that's how the .40 S&W was born.

Why do I bring this all up? Well, because the FBI adopted a special light load for their duty ammo, the rest of the manufacturers making 10mm ammo followed suit, and for the longest time all factory 10mm ammo was loaded lighter. It's a similar story today, but more ammunition manufacturers are starting to load 10mm back to it's full potential. Buffalo Bore and Double Tap have some pretty awesome loads that are actually more potent than the old standard loads (800+ ft. lbs. in some cases). So if you're going to get into 10mm, make sure you check the load specs. I'm personally of the opinion that if you're going to buy a 10mm pistol, but only buy ammo loaded to 1000 ft./sec. and just over 500 ft. lbs. at the muzzle, you may as well stick with .40 Short and Wimpy.

I'll eventually get myself another 10mm pistol. I really like the SIG P220 Legion in 10mm, but the one I'm really interested in is the new FK Brno pistol with the polymer frame and caliber swap ability. The pistol comes with three barrels: 9mm, 10mm, and their proprietary 7.5 FK. I was really looking forward to Vltor bringing back the Bren Ten pistol, but they abandoned the project and no one has taken them up on their offer to sell off the tooling and R&D data. I was really excited about the Bren Ten getting a second chance. Tangfoglio/EAA Witness make some nice 10mms too.
I have the full-size S&W 1006 now and it's an excellent pistol, I'd like to get a 1076 that isn't completely overpriced because of the FBI mythos at some point. Supposedly another issue with the FBI-spec 1076s was that the FBI requirements stated that the trigger had to be designed to be able to be staged in accordance with their shooting doctrine, but that caused it to lock up randomly during shooting so that didn't help matters. A lot of them got sent back and sold secondhand and now they command a little bit of a premium if they're certified FBI guns.
 
I have the full-size S&W 1006 now and it's an excellent pistol, I'd like to get a 1076 that isn't completely overpriced because of the FBI mythos at some point. Supposedly another issue with the FBI-spec 1076s was that the FBI requirements stated that the trigger had to be designed to be able to be staged in accordance with their shooting doctrine, but that caused it to lock up randomly during shooting so that didn't help matters. A lot of them got sent back and sold secondhand and now they command a little bit of a premium if they're certified FBI guns.

I was lucky and got my 1076 from a friend who bought two former FBI issued pistols for a good price, so he gave me a buddy price on it. Sadly, it got sold along with the majority of my old gun collection during the years I was unemployed and needed to make ends meet. It's one of the guns that I wish I had back.
 
I'm at 7.5 months waiting on a Form 4, I was hoping it'd go as fast as my last one at just under 5 months but it wasn't to be.

Doesn't matter,Faggot Wolf says ranges are non-essential so I can't go to my range anyhow.

You don't have any BLM land or public wilderness you can go to? That's one of the things I love about where I live, is that I can take a half-hour drive and legally shoot. I want to invest in some nice steel targets for that very reason.
 
You don't have any BLM land or public wilderness you can go to? That's one of the things I love about where I live, is that I can take a half-hour drive and legally shoot. I want to invest in some nice steel targets for that very reason.
This is Pennsylvania, every square inch is owned or controlled. The state gamelands ranges are included in the "non-essential" and have been shut down.
 
Need help from a gunhead, does the ruger lcp is a good ccw ? i've recently moved to "colorful" neighborhood my car have already been broken and the same creepy guy have followed twice since the last month.
 
I’m thinking about a Taurus G2c as a concealed carry, mostly because my local FFL has them in stock and it’s basically the last budget compact I can get without paying an online transfer fee. They’re going for $250 which is a bit of a gouge compared to street prices even from January,
but it’s still fully half of what the Glock 19 is going for (if you can even find them at stores).

Am I stupid on this? I’ve heard it’s good value for your money and Taurus’ bad reputation is a bit overexaggerated.
 
I’m thinking about a Taurus G2c as a concealed carry, mostly because my local FFL has them in stock and it’s basically the last budget compact I can get without paying an online transfer fee. They’re going for $250 which is a bit of a gouge compared to street prices even from January,
but it’s still fully half of what the Glock 19 is going for (if you can even find them at stores).

Am I stupid on this? I’ve heard it’s good value for your money and Taurus’ bad reputation is a bit overexaggerated.
Honestly, the trigger on it is really bad, but you can get an aftermarket one that isn’t as spongy. Even if the QC isn’t as bad as it was, their customer service is abysmal, with people waiting months for them to repair their guns. It’s also a good idea to clean and oil them since they come out of the factory dry. There’s also a problem with them being somewhat picky with ammo.

As ugly as they are, I’d rather have a hi-point than anything from taurus if you’re on a budget.
 
Honestly, the trigger on it is really bad, but you can get an aftermarket one that isn’t as spongy. Even if the QC isn’t as bad as it was, their customer service is abysmal, with people waiting months for them to repair their guns. It’s also a good idea to clean and oil them since they come out of the factory dry. There’s also a problem with them being somewhat picky with ammo.

As ugly as they are, I’d rather have a hi-point than anything from taurus if you’re on a budget.
I’m not sure where I’d even find a hi-point these days; I went to a pawn shop in fucking March and it was picked clean.

Honestly the smart play is to wait a few months for all the barely used panic guns to start showing back up on the secondary market. A lot of the uncertainty is starting to clear up already, but if the economy continues to take a dive or round 2 of shutdowns come back, I’d rather be packing than not, and even a Taurus in the hand is better than a higher quality gun used.

Palmetto had a Gen 3 Glock 19 clone at SHOT show that was supposed to be coming out soon, so that’s another option. That said, we’re looking at brand new unproven product (mostly) which makes me a little squeamish, even if I like Palmetto for other stuff.
 
I’m not sure where I’d even find a hi-point these days; I went to a pawn shop in fucking March and it was picked clean.

Honestly the smart play is to wait a few months for all the barely used panic guns to start showing back up on the secondary market. A lot of the uncertainty is starting to clear up already, but if the economy continues to take a dive or round 2 of shutdowns come back, I’d rather be packing than not, and even a Taurus in the hand is better than a higher quality gun used.

Palmetto had a Gen 3 Glock 19 clone at SHOT show that was supposed to be coming out soon, so that’s another option. That said, we’re looking at brand new unproven product (mostly) which makes me a little squeamish, even if I like Palmetto for other stuff.
Sadly everything in 9mm Luger was the first to go in a lot of places, which sucks because that’s a very common EDC. Hopefully as things start to stabilize more there will be more available options.
 
I’m thinking about a Taurus G2c as a concealed carry, mostly because my local FFL has them in stock and it’s basically the last budget compact I can get without paying an online transfer fee. They’re going for $250 which is a bit of a gouge compared to street prices even from January,
but it’s still fully half of what the Glock 19 is going for (if you can even find them at stores).

Am I stupid on this? I’ve heard it’s good value for your money and Taurus’ bad reputation is a bit overexaggerated.
Dunham's has the G2S on sale for $199 right now
 
I’m not sure where I’d even find a hi-point these days; I went to a pawn shop in fucking March and it was picked clean.

Honestly the smart play is to wait a few months for all the barely used panic guns to start showing back up on the secondary market. A lot of the uncertainty is starting to clear up already, but if the economy continues to take a dive or round 2 of shutdowns come back, I’d rather be packing than not, and even a Taurus in the hand is better than a higher quality gun used.

Palmetto had a Gen 3 Glock 19 clone at SHOT show that was supposed to be coming out soon, so that’s another option. That said, we’re looking at brand new unproven product (mostly) which makes me a little squeamish, even if I like Palmetto for other stuff.

G19 parts and frames are about as commodity as AR parts these days, I doubt I'd hesitate going with a PSA glock on a budget. I agree with Nico, the bad, bad CS is the real dealbraker with Taurus. That $200 deal sounds fine, but you have to factor it against 'if I get a bad one, it might never get fixed'.

For real concealed use in the current environment I'd consider the step down in power to .380. Stuff like LCPs look readily available and cheap enough, and have a better chance of working out of the box, and if you have the luxury of testing it right now and it is wonky, you can get it fixed for sure. The smart play is indeed to wait for the panic wave to hit the used shelves, but only you can make the risk judgment in the meantime.
 
I didn't care for the minimalist stock that came on my Origin 12. It made the weapon feel too muzzle heavy. So I ordered and installed an ACE Hammer Stock. I was considering the MagPul UBR Gen. 2 and Ergo Grips F93 Pro stocks, since I've had them on rifles in the past and really liked them, but went with the ACE Hammer since it's all aluminum except for the cheek piece while the other two are polymer stocks. I'm really happy with the ACE Hammer. It really sturdy and really helps with the weapon's balance. It looks badass too, but function always trumps form.

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The Origin 12 has an adjustable gas system. It's specifically designed to be able to accommodate and cycle virtually any kind of 2 3/4" load, aside from less lethal loads. For light loads, open up the gas more. Heavy loads, turn the gas down. If you're seeing trunion cracks then it's likely due to the owners not knowing how to adjust the gas properly and are over-gassing with hot loads.
perhaps, perhaps not. broken spot welds are bad in either case and it was from three separate rifles from two different people a year apart from each other, similar failure mode. you can get cracked carriers in FALs even if the gas system is properly adjusted if the bolt velocity is too high from poor headspacing preventing complete locking of the bolt to the receiver because it cannot move completely into position. browning friction rings in the Browning Auto-5 can do the same thing. could be a design detail that is roughed for manufacturing expediency despite what the design should be, if that makes sense.

if you are encountering no issues, then i suppose it's been ironed out.
Need help from a gunhead, does the ruger lcp is a good ccw ? i've recently moved to "colorful" neighborhood my car have already been broken and the same creepy guy have followed twice since the last month.
consider the LC9 as well, a 9mm single stack that's a tad larger, but more comfortable and doesn't carry the price premium for .380 Auto for what is what some consider to be the "bare minimum" for defense cartridges. 9mm is also inexpensive and usually readily available. some find the LC9 and LCP triggers to be a severe handicap, but with practice it's possible to be quite usable.
Taurus G2c for $250
Taurus can be hit or miss. about the only Taurus items i would consider fairly good would be their PT92 line and their older Rossi revolvers from the mid to late 90's from Interarms (which are S&W clones).

for $250, you can probably find a used SIG P250 or SP2022 somewhere. cheap, well made, and has a good, proven design.
 
^To counter club sandwich, be VERY wary of any Rossi revolver. I had one that had the hammer pivot pin snap off in under 50 rounds. They have a great lifetime replacement policy, and the one they sent me had a bunch of casting chunks in the chambers. This was an early 2000's revolver. He mentioned something about a specific time period for them, so I dont know if they went to a differebt manufacturer, but just beware.

Also had a sig p250. Its a great gun, but it has a steep learning curve. It's a DAO pistol, which means you have a long trigger pull and reset. You really have to practice staging the trigger with it to get the most out of it.
 
I dont know if they went to a differebt manufacturer, but just beware.
they were bought by Taurus in 2001 and quality suffered as the Taurus revolvers were not S&W clones anymore but kinda halfway between an older S&W and an H&R with some weird modernization features added... they were hit or miss for many years, although the wholly in-house designs were okay. the Taurus Tracker 455 for example is a pretty decent revolver.
 
I'm gonna be "that guy" and say that you generally get what you pay for with firearms. IMHO it's always better to save up and spend more on a firearm. Especially if it's one you may need to trust with your life. CZ makes awesome, dependable firearms and if you shop around you can often find the P10 brand new for around $400. Whatever you end up buying, do your research and make sure it's the right gun for your needs.
 
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