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EggImpregnator said:
Do you think a non suppressed rifle will ever be procured as an infantry rifle going forward? It seems like theyre putting cans on absolutely everything. I know like old m4s and m16s probably won't get them. But new rifles the military buys.
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there's not much of a reason not to run everything suppressed barring making sure it's optional and the weapon can function without it. somethings just are too onerous or pointless to suppress while it's yet another consumable part that you may as well use to your advantage. one aspect that will probably be tough is having both suppression and dust control in the same device. and once you get very short, or with the first shot fired, the flash moderation is functionally nil. suppressors also tend to trap heat and make you a glowing target for things that scan IR and suppressor sleeves only help with that for short periods of time and even then mostly just from the sides - better than nothing.
 
Royal Tiger imports is bringing over another shipment of guns in dubious condition from the land of Haile Selassie. Sad to see them having to cut up the MG recievers but it's interesting seeing what Ethiopia had stockpiled in its armories since 1935.
 
Club Sandwich said:
there's not much of a reason not to run everything suppressed barring making sure it's optional and the weapon can function without it. somethings just are too onerous or pointless to suppress while it's yet another consumable part that you may as well use to your advantage. one aspect that will probably be tough is having both suppression and dust control in the same device. and once you get very short, or with the first shot fired, the flash moderation is functionally nil. suppressors also tend to trap heat and make you a glowing target for things that scan IR and suppressor sleeves only help with that for short periods of time and even then mostly just from the sides - better than nothing.
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I watched an interview with a British volunteer in the Ukrainian foreign legion. He said that for standard infantry, suppressors are more of a hindrance than a help. The primary reason is that they make the rifle dirtier, heavier, longer, and generally require more care for the rifle than if it were unsupressed. And that in static fighting positions like sitting in a trench, foxhole, bunker, or building, the signature mitigation is moot as everyone on both sides already has a pretty accurate idea as to where the other is. In fact the sound of a friendly rifle would alert people to an attempted enemy assault. He did however say that they are useful for offensive operations or specialty operations.
 
Agares said:
RTI unboxing videos are fun to watch because it's not you who's getting a rifle with a sewer pipe bore and half rotten furniture.
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Absolutely. But with all the Bossman Jacks of guntube subconsciously shilling them (because just maybe you'll get a usable $200 Enfield!) there is a need to remind retards to stop funding I.O. Inc Royal Tiger Imports, who has on at least one occasion canceled a sale and relisted a product on Gun Broker, randomize/withhold in-stock numbers and alter price based on remaining rifle "quality".
 
EggImpregnator said:
I watched an interview with a British volunteer in the Ukrainian foreign legion. He said that for standard infantry, suppressors are more of a hindrance than a help. The primary reason is that they make the rifle dirtier, heavier, longer, and generally require more care for the rifle than if it were unsupressed. And that in static fighting positions like sitting in a trench, foxhole, bunker, or building, the signature mitigation is moot as everyone on both sides already has a pretty accurate idea as to where the other is. In fact the sound of a friendly rifle would alert people to an attempted enemy assault. He did however say that they are useful for offensive operations or specialty operations.
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i mostly agree with the exception that suppressors for general issue are a situation tool like a grenade. use it and have it when you need it, in some situations it's rather pointless - which is why i mentioned that you may as well suppress everything and have it be optional. with improvements in battlefield infoscape and small unit tactics, extending SOF capabilities to specialists embedded in regular infantry i feel would be an excellent boon to a fire team.

overgassing from suppression is a design issue that can be eliminated with a variety of approaches. my experience is that if you have a suppressed weapon and you generally leave it suppressed 100% of the time it's in play. you aren't removing or adding the suppressor in the field very often, even i never did that when i had QD suppressors on a rifle. that sort of thing was a pistol-only type of utility and highly situational.
 
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WhoBusTank69 said:
Absolutely. But with all the Bossman Jacks of guntube subconsciously shilling them (because just maybe you'll get a usable $200 Enfield!) there is a need to remind retards to stop funding I.O. Inc Royal Tiger Imports, who has on at least one occasion canceled a sale and relisted a product on Gun Broker, randomize/withhold in-stock numbers and alter price based on remaining rifle "quality".
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I was not aware of this business practice but I'm not all that surprised with the way the surplus market is these days.
 
Greatest Gonger said:
Fellows, convince me to buy a chinese sks, or convince me not too. I'm cheap so I experience pain in my soul when I make large purchases.
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Don't get anything in 762x39 right now because ammo is only getting more expensive. Unless you want to only shoot a box of ammo a year and just sit in your room and stare at it for the other 364 days a year. I'd recommend getting something in 556. If you want something communist looking, get a pioneer arms 5.56 AK. It the cheapest 5.56 AK that's not totally worthless dogshit(PSA). Other than that, just look for something in 556 that's within your price range.
 
EggImpregnator said:
Don't get anything in 762x39 right now because ammo is only getting more expensive. Unless you want to only shoot a box of ammo a year and just sit in your room and stare at it for the other 364 days a year. I'd recommend getting something in 556. If you want something communist looking, get a pioneer arms 5.56 AK. It the cheapest 5.56 AK that's not totally worthless dogshit(PSA). Other than that, just look for something in 556 that's within your price range.
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hm that is a good point. I am in Canada though, our 5.56 options may be much more limited than you have in the states.
 
Greatest Gonger said:
hm that is a good point. I am in Canada though, our 5.56 options may be much more limited than you have in the states.
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Well shit i have no idea then. I don't even know the ammo situation in Canada. You might still be getting cheap chinese/russian ammo. I would go into a gun store or talk to other Canadian gun owners to get a good picture on the ammo situation.

If the price is relatively equal, I'd go with something in 556. Its just a better cartridge than 762x39. Browse the websites of various big name Canadian gun sellers to see what their 556 offerings look like.
 
EggImpregnator said:
Well shit i have no idea then. I don't even know the ammo situation in Canada. You might still be getting cheap chinese/russian ammo. I would go into a gun store or talk to other Canadian gun owners to get a good picture on the ammo situation.

If the price is relatively equal, I'd go with something in 556. Its just a better cartridge than 762x39. Browse the websites of various big name Canadian gun sellers to see what their 556 offerings look like.
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I will certainly look into it, thanks for the advice.
 
Neo-Nazi Rich Evans said:
does anyone know if the old G.I. trick of cutting a X into ball ammo actually works? if so, then that is something you could do if down bad.
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They are called "dum dums" as my father used to call them at least.

Ian MCcollum said it best. Ammo manufacturers spend billions trying to make the deadliest projectile possible and some mad scientist redneck engineer not too different from myself, thinks he can make the 10mm into a cartridge that severs the human body in half with the right amount of powder and the geometry of the bullet in one shot.

Anyone recall the history of the Colt AR-15 became the "Sporter"? the Winchester "Black Talons" became the winchester "lawman" loads which to my understanding were either legally banned by name or removed from the market due to bad PR of a office shooting or something. My understanding is this rebranded them "lawman" and stopped putting the stupid black paint on the copper jacket and kept rolling them out.

My understanding is you either want to pierce light armor like green tips or black tips; You want maximum soft tissue damage like JHPs and then there are weird special purpose loads like snake shot or explosive tipped bullets which I have never seen used in combat, allegedly some rounds were made over the years that contained poison. Anyone remember Jaws? 1970 something? Sheriff Brady starts loading hollow points with potassium cyanide for his revolver. Jumping through a lot of scientific problems with that idea but I've heard stranger tactics.
 
HarblMcDavid said:
Yep, that's the one. The Mk12's much less popular DMR brother for cloning because they're not that flashy or distinctive, but put a carry handle on it if you want to do irons like a more classic M16. Again the rail is the only weak point because I'm pretty sure it's an early KAC and it's got a big old rail-gaposa up top due to the barrel nut. Some discussion of the parts needed here.

The gasblock may be the stumbling point both in a financial and acquisition sense though, so I'd look for less KACy alternatives that still have the bayo lug and flip-up FSP like this, for example. Not perfect, but still has the lug, is a little less discontinued, and isn't super fiddly on installation.
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It looks cool certainly. Probably not in my price range rn though, even if i builtit over time. Probably will just go with a PSA clone of a A2/A3 for my first AR since it has everything I want. Can even go retro if i want and mount a 4x scope on the handle:
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I really like that look and vibe tbh.
Greatest Gonger said:
Fellows, convince me to buy a chinese sks, or convince me not too. I'm cheap so I experience pain in my soul when I make large purchases.
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The SKS is one of the most reliable rifles you will come across. You can abuse the fuck out of it and it'll still work. I disagree on the 7.62x39mm cost partially. There is plenty of western stock now. It just isn't $8 USD like the Russian stuff.

7.62x39mm is a solid round, roughly equivalent to 30-30. Good for hunting deer in a pinch. And good for barrier penetration like wood or brick. Made better by the SKS since it has a 20 inch barrel.
 
Club Sandwich said:
i mostly agree with the exception that suppressors for general issue are a situation tool like a grenade. use it and have it when you need it, in some situations it's rather pointless - which is why i mentioned that you may as well suppress everything and have it be optional. with improvements in battlefield infoscape and small unit tactics, extending SOF capabilities to specialists embedded in regular infantry i feel would be an excellent boon to a fire team.

overgassing from suppression is a design issue that can be eliminated with a variety of approaches. my experience is that if you have a suppressed weapon and you generally leave it suppressed 100% of the time it's in play. you aren't removing or adding the suppressor in the field very often, even i never did that when i had QD suppressors on a rifle. that sort of thing was a pistol-only type of utility and highly situational.
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The other issue is they get INCREDIBLY HOT and will burn you or people around you badly if you're not care and even light brush on fire.

Oh and they make your rifle super filthy.

Lastly they add weight to the muzzle.

Suppressors have their used but for general issue? Not so sure.

WelperHelper99 said:
It looks cool certainly. Probably not in my price range rn though, even if i builtit over time. Probably will just go with a PSA clone of a A2/A3 for my first AR since it has everything I want. Can even go retro if i want and mount a 4x scope on the handle:
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Get the upper with the removable carry handle. The "Premium" line. They way you get the fun of a carry handle with the option to go pic rail up top.

Mine is an Aero precision A2 clone setup in that exact manner.
 
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