Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Vexillology]

This is only true if you're military or law enforcement. As I've said before in this thread, KAC will not guarantee accuracy for civilian rifles so if you get one and it sucks, you're fucked.

Sadly, very true. KAC's customer service is a nightmare and their warranty is among the worst. They remind me of HK; love the product, wish the company would backflip.

How does the Ruger AR-556 or the Springfield Saint compared to the M&P Sport 2?

They're all in a similar bucket, personally. When it comes to low/mid-tier ARs, there isn't really one that stands out. Lots of people will swear their Stag Arms hasn't failed to fire after 50,000 rounds and not being cleaned, and others will claim that they slam-fired half a mag spontaneously. When it comes to those guns, I wouldn't start by choosing one brand over another. Instead, decide on your specs (twist rate, materials, etc.) and then once you have a list of candidates, choose the one with the best reputation for QA/reliability. Those three have a few differences, but it really depends what your need is.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

Sadly, very true. KAC's customer service is a nightmare and their warranty is among the worst. They remind me of HK; love the product, wish the company would backflip.


They're all in a similar bucket, personally. When it comes to low/mid-tier ARs, there isn't really one that stands out. Lots of people will swear their Stag Arms hasn't failed to fire after 50,000 rounds and not being cleaned, and others will claim that they slam-fired half a mag spontaneously. When it comes to those guns, I wouldn't start by choosing one brand over another. Instead, decide on your specs (twist rate, materials, etc.) and then once you have a list of candidates, choose the one with the best reputation for QA/reliability. Those three have a few differences, but it really depends what your need is.

@MrJokerRager, I'd also suggest building if you're feeling up to it and don't mind investing a bit in tools. Being able to pick out your parts and then slap them together is nice - sort of like the difference between building a PC and just buying a Dell.

 

[3-2-1836]

Sadly, very true. KAC's customer service is a nightmare and their warranty is among the worst. They remind me of HK; love the product, wish the company would backflip.

Atleast HK can justify it due to having nearly their entire civilian product line explicitly banned by name like 3 seperate times between 1989 and 1994 before being banned for a decade.

 

[The Dude]

If you want one specific recommendation, the Knight's Armament SR-15 is worth whatever price is being asked, just keep in mind that there are some proprietary parts. LWRC is another great company that consistently produces gold-standard gear. LMT is extremely well-regarded, but I don't have too much personal experience with them. The FN-15 is absolutely solid. Please don't buy an M&P Sport 2 if you have the money for an FN-15 lol. Also, yes, it was legal for him to possess that weapon under state law. Trying to charge him for it was one of the prosecution's funnier mistakes.

For civilian offerings, I prefer LMT over Knights Armament. With LMT you're essentially getting the same items they supply to military customers, just semi-auto only. I love my MWS308, which is the same rifle the British military selected as their L129A designated marksman rifle. During the trials it beat out Knights Armament, FN, H&K, and several other companies. And LMT offers some features that KAC doesn't offer, like easily changed barrels at the end user level.

Edit: However, if we ever manage to roll back the stupid gun laws to where civilians can buy new full-auto weapons again, I will buy myself a KAC AMG.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

The New CZ 600 Rifle Is Replacing CZ's Centerfire in Its Bolt-Action Lineup

The four models in the CZ 600 series are affordable, accurate and innovative—and mark a bold new direction for the Czech rifle maker.

www.outdoorlife.com

Let's talk CZ 600 series tech specs. Some interesting design decisions there.

They're going for the whole changeable barrels thing which resulted in them using a non-threaded barrel that locks into the receiver with three screws, allowing for easy barrel changes. To avoid headspacing issues and to reduce load on the receiver they went with an AR/AK-like lockup system where the bolt has six (or three for mini actions) lugs that lock into cutouts in the barrel, rather than the receiver like in most bolt actions.

What I was wondering is, since they mentioned using aluminum receivers for some models, any concern of the steel bolt/barrel assembly loosening up the opening in the aluminum receiver after a couple of thousand of rounds? I figure if the bolt/barrel are impacting against the alum. receiver which also has a heavy optic mounted on it, eventually that would introduce some play.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

The New CZ 600 Rifle Is Replacing CZ's Centerfire in Its Bolt-Action Lineup

The four models in the CZ 600 series are affordable, accurate and innovative—and mark a bold new direction for the Czech rifle maker.

www.outdoorlife.com

Let's talk CZ 600 series tech specs. Some interesting design decisions there.

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They're going for the whole changeable barrels thing which resulted in them using a non-threaded barrel that locks into the receiver with three screws, allowing for easy barrel changes. To avoid headspacing issues and to reduce load on the receiver they went with an AR/AK-like lockup system where the bolt has six (or three for mini actions) lugs that lock into cutouts in the barrel, rather than the receiver like in most bolt actions.

What I was wondering is, since they mentioned using aluminum receivers for some models, any concern of the steel bolt/barrel assembly loosening up the opening in the aluminum receiver after a couple of thousand of rounds? I figure if the bolt/barrel are impacting against the alum. receiver which also has a heavy optic mounted on it, eventually that would introduce some play.

Interesting. I'd imagine that it'd come down to tolerances - the more wiggle room there is, the more that parts can hammer on each other instead of acting like a single piece. I wonder if there's any keying on the barrel to receiver interface that we just can't see in that image or if it just clamps down like an AR gas block.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Interesting. I'd imagine that it'd come down to tolerances - the more wiggle room there is, the more that parts can hammer on each other instead of acting like a single piece. I wonder if there's any keying on the barrel to receiver interface that we just can't see in that image or if it just clamps down like an AR gas block.

They mention an indexing slot to ensure everything is lined up, but no mentions of anything else. I'm sure CZ has done their homework and won't let a flawed design hit the market, but still curious to see how it will perform long term.

Seems their Alpha model has the aluminum receiver and comes in .300 WM and .30-06. That would be the one to watch for failures, I guess.

CZ Introduces New CZ 600 Centerfire Rifles « Daily Bulletin

CZ has just introduced the new CZ 600 line of centerfire rifles. The series includes four unique models, with a variety of stock types, barrel profiles, action lengths, and chamberings.

bulletin.accurateshooter.com

 

[Vexillology]

Edit: However, if we ever manage to roll back the stupid gun laws to where civilians can buy new full-auto weapons again, I will buy myself a KAC AMG.

LMT still makes M203s I think. If we're taking requests for legislative changes.

 

[UVB-76]

What I was wondering is, since they mentioned using aluminum receivers for some models, any concern of the steel bolt/barrel assembly loosening up the opening in the aluminum receiver after a couple of thousand of rounds? I figure if the bolt/barrel are impacting against the alum. receiver which also has a heavy optic mounted on it, eventually that would introduce some play.

Because the aluminum is clamping down on the barrel through the torque you set with the screws, even if it loosened up you could always clamp it back.
The Sig MCX has a similar barrel mounting system but it actually uses plates on both sides to spread the load, this method seems like it's directly threading into the receiver.

 

[Club Sandwich]

What I was wondering is, since they mentioned using aluminum receivers for some models, any concern of the steel bolt/barrel assembly loosening up the opening in the aluminum receiver after a couple of thousand of rounds?

doubtful. transmission of force would first induce movement in the combined barrel/bolt/bolt carrier body before the receiver experiences significant stress (i don't see a shoulder on the barrel other than the breech face and an indexing pin generally isn't load bearing) and by that point in time, several micro seconds will have passed to allow the more ductile receiver to cushion the majority of force, probably up to some appreciable loads. transmitting the force into the stock and into the shooter will be key here as well, so i expect these rifles to use the breech face in some manner to transmit force into the receiver and into a recoil lug under it, and from that to the stock. given that it's aluminum, i would also expect an aluminum pillar or bed design to keep things rigid and create a larger surface in the stock to work with to absorb more recoil and to ensure that there isn't cracking or deformation of the aluminum forward of the magazine well, where a traditional recoil lug is situated. i see a cutout there probably for some kind of insert maybe, so that could be a thing. i also notice that CZ is offering the 600 in steel receivers as well, so more than likely you will have some cartridges preferring one material to the other with a little overlap in the middle for something like 6.5 CM.

i would worry more about several thousands of shots down the line in big boy cartridges if there would be receiver stretching, which does happen on some Howa rifles and one of the reasons both Remington and Browning ditched their aluminum receiver models (for the most part) in the 60's.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Because the aluminum is clamping down on the barrel through the torque you set with the screws, even if it loosened up you could always clamp it back.
The Sig MCX has a similar barrel mounting system but it actually uses plates on both sides to spread the load, this method seems like it's directly threading into the receiver.

Haven't seen the MCX yet, interesting setup. Seems more secure that way, with the side plates also clamping on to a ring on the barrel.

doubtful. transmission of force would first induce movement in the combined barrel/bolt/bolt carrier body before the receiver experiences significant stress (i don't see a shoulder on the barrel and an indexing pin generally isn't load bearing) and by that point in time, several micro seconds will have passed to allow the more ductile receiver to cushion the remaining force, probably up to some appreciable loads. transmitting the force into the stock and into the shooter will be key here as well, so i expect these rifles to be factory bedded with an aluminum pillar or bed design for that exact purpose to ensure that there isn't cracking or deformation of the aluminum forward of the magazine well, where a traditional recoil lug is situated. i see a cutout there probably for some kind of insert maybe, so that could be a thing. i also notice that CZ is offering the 600 in steel receivers as well, so more than likely you will have some cartridges preferring one material to the other with a little overlap in the middle for something like 6.5 CM.

i would worry more about several thousands of shots down the line in big boy cartridges if there would be receiver stretching, which does happen on some Howa rifles and one of the reasons both Remington and Browning ditched their aluminum receiver models (for the most part) in the 60's.

Makes sense, I'm sure CZ would ensure the key element of their new rifle platform is well-engineered. Will be interesting to see the results of some torture tests once people had some time with the rifles.

 

[3-2-1836]

LMT still makes M203s I think. If we're taking requests for legislative changes.

Remember the days when it was perfectly legal to buy a howitzer or tank from the U.S. Army without any paperwork? Damn commies having to ruin everything and causing congress "Destructive Devices" class of NFA items in 1968.

Also fun fact, before the Gun Control Act of 1968 federal law only barred those convicted of violent felonies from owning guns, non-violent felons were entitled to the same gun rights as me or you.

Yet barely 60 years later we somehow treat disarming non-violent felons for life as if it's been like this since time immemorial and it's absolutely heresy to try and change it as it's apparently the word of god.

 

[Vexillology]

Remember the days when it was perfectly legal to buy a howitzer or tank from the U.S. Army without any paperwork? Damn commies having to ruin everything and causing congress "Destructive Devices" class of NFA items in 1968.

Also fun fact, before the Gun Control Act of 1968 federal law only barred those convicted of violent felonies from owning guns, non-violent felons were entitled to the same gun rights as me or you.

Yet barely 60 years later we somehow treat disarming non-violent felons for life as if it's been like this since time immemorial and it's absolutely heresy to try and change it as it's apparently the word of god.

"White collar" financial felonies can still let you keep your gun rights, but that's about it. Getting them the right to vote and reconsidering whether or not convictions should be public record for background checks are contentious debates already, people aren't going to let us arm felons any time soon. I agree, though, even (reluctantly) with violent felonies. If they're considered safe enough to be released from prison and integrated back into society, I think they should be entrusted with their firearms rights. Felons can possess black powder firearms in many states, but I can't remember the last time I heard of a drive-by with a blunderbuss. It would certainly decrease safety at least slightly, but I don't think we'd devolve into Escape from LA. If the crime is serious, sentence them appropriately.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Remember the days when it was perfectly legal to buy a howitzer or tank from the U.S. Army without any paperwork? Damn commies having to ruin everything and causing congress "Destructive Devices" class of NFA items in 1968.

Also fun fact, before the Gun Control Act of 1968 federal law only barred those convicted of violent felonies from owning guns, non-violent felons were entitled to the same gun rights as me or you.

Yet barely 60 years later we somehow treat disarming non-violent felons for life as if it's been like this since time immemorial and it's absolutely heresy to try and change it as it's apparently the word of god.

"White collar" financial felonies can still let you keep your gun rights, but that's about it. Getting them the right to vote and reconsidering whether or not convictions should be public record for background checks are contentious debates already, people aren't going to let us arm felons any time soon. I agree, though, even (reluctantly) with violent felonies. If they're considered safe enough to be released from prison and integrated back into society, I think they should be entrusted with their firearms rights. Felons can possess black powder firearms in many states, but I can't remember the last time I heard of a drive-by with a blunderbuss. It would certainly decrease safety at least slightly, but I don't think we'd devolve into Escape from LA. If the crime is serious, sentence them appropriately.

We allowing ex-felons to have the right to vote in many states, well I am in favor of ex-felons getting their rights to own guns since this nation has been cucked too far.

I believe part of the reason many like the police, would oppose it because how else can they keep that prison revolving door pipeline running.

 

[3-2-1836]

"White collar" financial felonies can still let you keep your gun rights, but that's about it. Getting them the right to vote and reconsidering whether or not convictions should be public record for background checks are contentious debates already, people aren't going to let us arm felons any time soon. I agree, though, even (reluctantly) with violent felonies. If they're considered safe enough to be released from prison and integrated back into society, I think they should be entrusted with their firearms rights. Felons can possess black powder firearms in many states, but I can't remember the last time I heard of a drive-by with a blunderbuss. It would certainly decrease safety at least slightly, but I don't think we'd devolve into Escape from LA. If the crime is serious, sentence them appropriately.

In Texas even if you're convicted of 1st degree premeditated murder and somehow avoid a life sentence (fun fact in Texas you can't get the death penalty for killing only a single person per se), once you are released from prison and are off parole, you are fully legally entitled to possessing guns within the 4 walls of your home, even if you rack up violent misdemeanors in the meantime

 

[Vexillology]

In Texas even if you're convicted of 1st degree premeditated murder and somehow avoid a life sentence (fun fact in Texas you can't get the death penalty for killing only a single person per se), once you are released from prison and are off parole, you are fully legally entitled to possessing guns within the 4 walls of your home, even if you rack up violent misdemeanors in the meantime

Which can sound scary, but if you think about who gets those sentences and why, it doesn't bother me. If it's an issue, it's hopefully a small one. If they don't get a life sentence for a 1st degree premeditated murder conviction, I would like to think that it's only because there is a compelling reason. Felons can generally keep guns in their home without telling anyone, anyway, so this effectively just decriminalizes self-defense by felons. It's kind of an interesting compromise.

 

[3-2-1836]

Which can sound scary, but if you think about who gets those sentences and why, it doesn't bother me. If it's an issue, it's hopefully a small one. If they don't get a life sentence for a 1st degree premeditated murder conviction, I would like to think that it's only because there is a compelling reason. Felons can generally keep guns in their home without telling anyone, anyway, so this effectively just decriminalizes self-defense by felons. It's kind of an interesting compromise.

It's also due to the way our constitution is worded

Section 23 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.

Though for some reason NFA items are magically illegal to possess under state law, and zipguns too even though zip guns are legal under federal law.

Actually yeah with the progressive repeal of Texas weapon laws in general the last two remaining weapons I'm aware of that are unrestricted under Federal law but illegal under Texas law to merely possess are zip guns and riot pepper spray.

 

[troon patrol]

If you were granted one NFA cheat, as in you could have any number of short barreled rifles, OR suppressors or full auto but only one what would you choose?

I'd probably go unlimited suppressors.

 

[MrJokerRager]

If you were granted one NFA cheat, as in you could have any number of short barreled rifles, OR suppressors or full auto but only one what would you choose?

I'd probably go unlimited suppressors.

Full Auto for me I guess, I want to own an M16 or AK 47 lol.

It's also due to the way our constitution is worded

Though for some reason NFA items are magically illegal to possess under state law, and zipguns too even though zip guns are legal under federal law.

Actually yeah with the progressive repeal of Texas weapon laws in general the last two remaining weapons I'm aware of that are unrestricted under Federal law but illegal under Texas law to merely possess are zip guns and riot pepper spray.

Blue states tightened laws under Trump plus the DOJ under Trump being pozzed as shit and SCOTUS being cucks.

It's funny that the bump stock ban was repealed during the Biden era along with gun laws made looser in many states. I look forward to if the California AWB gets booted out by SCOTUS in Biden's 4th year lol.

Seriously though, apparently some gun control bill died recently in the California legislature which surprised folks on Calguns but who knows what that means. Some of them want microstamping for cops now. Though California cops are faggots so no love lost for them.

 

[AprilRains]

If you were granted one NFA cheat, as in you could have any number of short barreled rifles, OR suppressors or full auto but only one what would you choose?

I'd probably go unlimited suppressors.

I would make the same call. I have very little use for a short barreled rifle and much less for full auto. Suppressors would be very convenient for me.