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MrJokerRager said:
So why is the 5.56mm being replaced with the 6.8 as I don't have the will to buy another gun lol just for 6.8mm.
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I wouldn't put too much stock in those rumors. They've been talking about benching 5.56 in favor of 6.8 or some other meme caliber for a while now, and it still hasn't happened.

Logistically, that's a shitton of guns and ammo the military would have to replace, and they're not gonna do it overnight.

There's a difference between something being obsolescent (not the latest and greatest, but still viable) and being obsolete (it's outdated and no longer useful).

For another gun analogy, AK's chambered in 7.62×39 are technically obsolescent, but they're still plenty useful. A black powder rifle would be an example of obsolete.

TLDR .223/5.56 isn't going away any time soon, so don't sweat it. Guns are durable assets.

Edit: even if they do replace it sooner or later, it'll linger around. They were using 1903 Springfields as sniper rifles as late as Vietnam.
 
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Meat Target said:
I wouldn't put too much stock in those rumors. They've been talking about benching 5.56 in favor of 6.8 or some other meme caliber for a while now, and it still hasn't happened.

Logistically, that's a shitton of guns and ammo the military would have to replace, and they're not gonna do it overnight.

There's a difference between something being obsolescent (not the latest and greatest, but still viable) and being obsolete (it's outdated and no longer useful).

For another gun analogy, AK's chambered in 7.62×39 are technically obsolescent, but they're still plenty useful. A black powder rifle would be an example of obsolete.

TLDR .223/5.56 isn't going away any time soon, so don't sweat it. Guns are durable assets.
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The US military at the moment seems pretty intent on staying "ahead of the curve" as a bunch of our rivals (Russia and China) are starting to roll out their own new military tech. It's why I can see this attempt actually going forward. Though, from what I understand the plan for the NGSW program is to only roll out the new systems to the special forces and recon in 2022. The majority of the military is still going to be using the M4 and M249 for the next few years assuming this all goes through, so it's going to be a pretty slow rollout.
As for the civilian market though, .223/5.56 isn't going anywhere.
 
MrJokerRager said:
So why is the 5.56mm being replaced with the 6.8
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A variety of reasons that I will list in no order of prominence (keep in mind that some of these reasons may not be entirely accurate/conspiracy theories and or not an explicit reason for the NGSW program)

1, Army got butthurt about Talib's shooting at them from 800m away with PKM's in Afghanistan and having to rely on JDAM's to kill em'
2. 5.56 out of short barrels has lethality issues, this has been established fact since Operation Gothic Serpent.
3. M855 sucks balls on flesh compared to M193, especially out of short barrels
4. M855A1 is a hell of a lot more expensive than M855 for similar exterior ballistics and can't pierce armor
5. Chinks are starting to have decent Body Armor and Russians have had decent body armor for a while now
6. The American public have been buying armor like crazy since 2020 and the ZOG Globohomo NWO wants to be able to kill Bubba (Or something like that depending on what sources you trust)
7. Last war syndrome, similar to reason 1 but about long distance shootouts in Mountains
8. Sig bribed some Generals
9. Generals wanted LSAT 2.0 but where legally obligated to host a competition with other participants


Jewthulhu said:
Now if the forum post @AGPinochet shared is to be believed, the idiots in charge might have realized that asking for a higher powered cartridge in a lightweight gun means there's going to be a lot more wear on the barrel and are looking into the 6.5 instead.
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Not just wear and tear concerns, you have to remember that the military is increasingly comprised of 5'7 mexicans and women, The test firing videos I've seen have NGSW guns knocking around big burly 10th mountain division guys.
Jewthulhu said:
Though, from what I understand the plan for the NGSW program is to only roll out the new systems to the special forces and recon in 2022.
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I don't remember where I read/heard this but I believe I either heard/read that there was a plan to only outfit around 20% of the Ground forces with NGSW guns and form them into super duper mega QRF (more accurately described as an Expeditionary force maybe) that can respond really rapidly to say, a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or a Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine/The Baltics.
 
AGPinochet said:
1, Army got butthurt about Talib's shooting at them from 800m away with PKM's in Afghanistan and having to rely on JDAM's to kill em'
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AGPinochet said:
7. Last war syndrome, similar to reason 1 but about long distance shootouts in Mountains
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I always thought it was weird that analysts are saying a future war would be fought in urban or underground environments while the NGSW is primarily focusing on increasing effective range. Weirder still that some of the army's other programs seems designed around the idea of urban fighting. But I guess you can't expect consistency from the army.
AGPinochet said:
Not just wear and tear concerns, you have to remember that the military is increasingly comprised of 5'7 mexicans and women, The test firing videos I've seen have NGSW guns knocking around big burly 10th mountain division guys.
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I'm giving recoil the benefit of the doubt on recoil given the army (allegedly) plans on making the "snuzzle" or some other sort of muzzle brake or suppressor standard-issue, though it still is a valid concern.
 
Jewthulhu said:
while the NGSW is primarily focusing on increasing effective range. Weirder still that some of the army's other programs seems designed around the idea of urban fighting.
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Sig has a version of their gun with a 8'' barrel, yes, Sig has made a rifle with an 8'' barrel and a fully automatic fire setting chambered in a magnum rifle cartridge.
I was wrong, Sig has no plans for a 6.8 8'' gun, they do however have plans for a 8'' version in .308 and 6.5 creed (????) for civilians, a 13'' gun in 6.8x51 for Big Army and .277 Fury for us dirty Civilians and a 20'' version in 6.5 creed
Source
https://soldiersystems.net/2021/10/11/ausa-21-sig-spear-update/
Jewthulhu said:
I'm giving recoil the benefit of the doubt on recoil given the army (allegedly) plans on making the "snuzzle" or some other sort of muzzle brake or suppressor standard-issue, though it still is a valid concern.
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I have my doubts that the "Smuzzle" is anything but a science experiment that will never get adopted. This is for 2 reasons
1. Sig, GD and Textron all submitted their own suppressor designs, if Big Army was going to adopt the smuzzle they wouldn't ask for other suppressor designs (then again it could be that Big Army was open to adopting any of the four options and found one or potentially all of the submitted designs to be better than the Smuzzle)
2. Army scientists also designed the most bestest, most heat resistant and strongest at the lightest possible weight M4 Barrel but to my knowledge that project never went anywhere.
 
Meat Target said:
I wouldn't put too much stock in those rumors. They've been talking about benching 5.56 in favor of 6.8 or some other meme caliber for a while now, and it still hasn't happened.
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That's because 6.8 SPC is a clusterfuck of monumental proportions, but it appeared in Future Weapons (rip Mack) and Call of Duty so it had a long staying power in people's minds even though SOCOM stopped using 6.8 SPC a few years after they got to Afghanistan. 6.8 is the caliber that is least affected by fleet yaw, the phenomenon that causes inconsistent results with M855.
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This new round is 6.8 for an entirely new reason, they needed a penetrator that wouldn't deplete the tungsten strategic reserves so 6.8 was the smallest caliber they could use and still have a fat enough steel core to do what they wanted.
 
AGPinochet said:
Wait SOCOM ACTUALLY adopted 6.8 SPC? Never knew that, I always presumed no organization adopted it.
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I mean, it wasn't an official adoption. I'm trying to remember who said it but I think it was Pat McNamara who once said he saw some teams running 6.8 SPC.
The way things work is basically you can get a budget to run field trials, and only select units get them. Not that long ago SOCOM also fielded a limited number of M110s and Mk20 SCARS in 260 Remington and 6.5 Creedmoor as a way to look into a DMR caliber.
In the US the only agency to adopt it was the DEA with M6A2s and Jordan and the Saudis adopted the LWRC Six8.
 
UVB-76 said:
I mean, it wasn't an official adoption. I'm trying to remember who said it but I think it was Pat McNamara who once said he saw some teams running 6.8 SPC.
The way things work is basically you can get a budget to run field trials, and only select units get them. Not that long ago SOCOM also fielded a limited number of M110s and Mk20 SCARS in 260 Remington and 6.5 Creedmoor as a way to look into a DMR caliber.
In the US the only agency to adopt it was the DEA with M6A2s and Jordan and the Saudis adopted the LWRC Six8.
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I assumed it was something like that, not standard issue but another tool in the toolbox/ a trial gun. Thanks for clarifying.
 
MrJokerRager said:
What is considered the best California gun rights group in the state?

crpa.org

BREAKING NEWS! NINTH CIRCUIT EN BANC PANEL REVERSES HISTORIC GUN RIGHTS VICTORY IN CRPA CHALLENGE TO STATEWIDE BAN ON STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINES - CRPA

Duncan v. Bonta case decided by Ninth Circuit en banc panel
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If you want me to be honest with you, all of them are bad in their own right and have some form of the "compromise" shit and call it "winning." California State Rifle and Pistol Association, but they're just *okay*.

Second Amendment Foundation for the federal groups, only because they're quiet about what they do and actually have affordable membership.
 
MrJokerRager said:
What is considered the best California gun rights group in the state?

crpa.org

BREAKING NEWS! NINTH CIRCUIT EN BANC PANEL REVERSES HISTORIC GUN RIGHTS VICTORY IN CRPA CHALLENGE TO STATEWIDE BAN ON STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINES - CRPA

Duncan v. Bonta case decided by Ninth Circuit en banc panel
crpa.org crpa.org
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While I cannot speak to any California specific groups, the Firearms Policy Coalition is doing good work. If you want to get a little unconventional, maybe send some cash a Deterrence Dispensed or AWCY Dev's way, If you don't mind your name on a list, pick up a DD Legio membership.
 
AGPinochet said:
While I cannot speak to any California specific groups, the Firearms Policy Coalition is doing good work. If you want to get a little unconventional, maybe send some cash a Deterrence Dispensed or AWCY Dev's way, If you don't mind your name on a list, pick up a DD Legio membership.
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My gripe with FPC is they literally spam you with emails asking you to send more money despite already being a member. Like "motherfucker, no."
 
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