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Hippopatumus said:
Take some dragons breath with you to the range, the RSO will get a kick out of that.
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Not trying to pick on you specifically, but Dragon's Breath shotgun shells are one of the singularly most overhyped, overrated, and underperforming ammunition on the market.

It's a glorified sparkler in my experience. Little better than a heavy loaded blank shell. I would rather take a Ruger 10-22 into combat than a shotgun only fed with Dragon's Breath shells. Would I want to get shot at close range with Dragon's Breath? No, but I don't want to get shot with a blank at close range either.

Yeah they would be a fun little range toy, if they didn't cost as much or more than premium buckshot.

You would be right about some RSOs having a shitfit though. But many RSOs will throw their (considerable) weight around for just about anything, because petty power breeds petty tyrants.

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Mossberg knows how to make a good shotgun... when they want to. The 590 ("Tactical") is perfectly functional from what I hear. Though if I had to take a shotgun into combat it would probably be something closer to the Mossburg 940 JM. I really don't want to have do pump action work in combat stress conditions. Short-stroking is a major problem that requires more time and intensive training than I have to mitigate the issue. Even if you get to working the pump perfectly, it is still a distraction away from the actual shooting itself.

I wish mag-fed shotguns were more reliable. They are getting closer, this latest generation of designs works decently as a range toy. I wouldn't want to run them through rough conditions though. The ammunition is the real problem: many standards for the same gauge, and the rim at the base plays all sorts of havoc with autoloaders. Tube-fed autos took a long time to get combat-resilient, and they still tend to be picky with ammo.
 
Dragons Breath is fun as fuck it's not supposed to be a combat load it's a toy.

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But I mean it does have a bit of bird shot or something in front of the spicy bits. I wouldn't want to get hit in the face with that. It's gonna do more than just pepper someone up.

I do agree that pumps are not suitable for combat. Really the M4 is the shotgun for that.
 
Hippopatumus said:
Dragons Breath is fun as fuck it's not supposed to be a combat load it's a toy.
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I agree. I really should have been a bit more nuanced in my previous statement. As a range-toy, they are entertaining.

However, they have garnered a completely undeserved reputation as being "ULTRA-MEGA-SUPER-DUPER GOD-KILLER" ammo for some unfathomable reason. The forbidden fruit of the Black Tips don't even have the sort of cult that Dragon's Breath has (at least on the normie internet and around my region). I have no idea why.
 
BONE_Buddy said:
they have garnered a completely undeserved reputation as being "ULTRA-MEGA-SUPER-DUPER GOD-KILLER" ammo for some unfathomable reason
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Cowadooty. I think that was the first game to use dragon's breath and that brought it to the "mainstream".
The most satisfying use of dragon's breath in vidya was in Payday 2 with the dual Taurus Judge revolvers.
 
Meat Target said:
I'm constrained to an indoor range run by persnickety gits who prohibit using Tulammo because gibs me dat brass muh fire hazard (while having it for sale in the lobby).
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Fire hazard? I get the brass jew thing but are they worried about someone's gun getting gunked up with powder and igniting?

As a side note: if anyone has a favorite place to score bulk pistol rounds, I'd appreciate the hookup.
 
plgfarts said:
Fire hazard? I get the brass jew thing but are they worried about someone's gun getting gunked up with powder and igniting?
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They claim the impact of steel projectiles can spark and cause a fire. They also prohibit green tips, and you can only use slugs out of a shotgun.

The latter I can kinda understand, because birdshot or buckshot is a ricochet hazard.
plgfarts said:
As a side note: if anyone has a favorite place to score bulk pistol rounds, I'd appreciate the hookup.
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sgammo.com, fren.
 
Meat Target said:
They claim the impact of steel projectiles can spark and cause a fire. They also prohibit green tips, and you can only use slugs out of a shotgun.

The latter I can kinda understand, because birdshot or buckshot is a ricochet hazard.

sgammo.com, fren.
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Thanks mang. I often forget how lucky I am with my outdoor range that never has an RSO. I think the only rule we have is nothing bigger than a .50bmg.
 
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Ukrainian automatic grenade-launcher RGsh-30
Kiev-based company Precision Systems has developed a new, handheld version of the Russian-made KBP AGS-17 30 mm automatic grenade launcher, which was displayed for the first time at Ukraine’s AviaSvit/Arms and Security show, held in Kiev from 11 to 14 October.

Speaking to IHS Jane’s at the show, company officials said this handheld variant, designated the RGSh30, was developed “in order to create a grenade launcher that could respond to the needs of Ukrainian units and special forces operating in the Donbas”. They added that this smaller and more portable derivative of the Russian model has the virtue of being able to be carried and operated by small, manoeuvrable groups of combatants. Despite its small size and reduced barrel length, the RGSh30 is reported to have an effective range of 1,600 m.

The weapon has a small clip that holds just five VOG-17 30 mm grenades in comparison with the 30-round magazine of the AGS-17, but the “concept of this weapon is to be able to fire small numbers of rounds to disable a BTR [Russian-made armoured personnel carrier] or other armoured vehicles at close quarters. It has the advantage over the Russian design in that it does not have to be mounted on a pylon in a fixed location but can be carried around just like an assault rifle,” said a company representative."
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3d printed 10-22 shot great. A lot of jamming, but I should grease the feed ramp up a bit. But very pleased.

Countdown until Maryland bans it.
 
They are doing 3d prints of 10/22s oh lordy I am off to google and then amazon to get one.

Eh not much to report split 500 rounds of brass x39 with sis. Hope to get to go use it soon.
 
Bassomatic said:
They are doing 3d prints of 10/22s oh lordy I am off to google and then amazon to get one.
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Yep, that was the last straw for me. I want to make a pump-action .22.
Bassomatic said:
Eh not much to report split 500 rounds of brass x39 with sis. Hope to get to go use it soon.
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The other day I was moving some things in our bedroom, and realized that the cans of vintage Russian x39 & x54R being used as part of my nightstand are probably worth more than anything else in the house; and that's not even counting any old Russian bolt-action rifles stacked in the corner.

<greedily rubs hands together>
 
Reno May gives information about California coping hard after joggers shoot joggers despite gun control laws made to protect them from shooting each other.

 
Why are plastic-clad AR-18s (BREN, XM8/G36*) heavier than CAR-15s? Is the AR-18 bolt just so tall compared to the AR-15 BCG that it outweighs the benefits of plastic receivers?







*same gun don't @ me
 
Why do I always have issues with the RMR screws that come from Triji? Doesn't matter if it's some Chinesium ebay special slide or a CMC Kragos they are never first time goes. I usually end up grabbing a cheap seal plate for the screws or go to the hardware store and grab 6x32 3/8 black machine screws. The manufacturer screws are like 1 inch long and it's too much. Am I a retard?*

*In this specific area not in general
 
Blasterisk said:
hy are plastic-clad AR-18s (BREN, XM8/G36*) heavier than CAR-15s?
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my Colt Model 733 is just under 6lbs, and my G36C post sample is 6.3lbs. the balance on the G36C is much more forward, but they aren't terribly different in weight enough to matter much. a loaded magazine in both closes the weight gap slightly.

comparing full length rifles, my G36K and M4A1 are about the same weight, the M16A1 and A2 being slightly heavier than the G36A1 i have. the bolt carrier group does weigh more when divorced from their receivers, however all of the G36 barrels are noticeably thicker in profile than the corresponding M16/M4 barrel. for the AR-18, it's actually lighter than the M16A2 very slightly since it's mostly sheet metal construction. the SCAR-L is heavier than an M4, but lighter than the M16, however it has a 18" barrel and more aluminum in the receiver so it's probably the difference there.

the weights are overall pretty similar of the ones i have handy, when directly weighing them from a digital scale in an unloaded and somewhat basic configuration without accessories. the reciprocating mass of the AR-18 derivatives is far heavier than the equivalent mass in the AR-15 though.
 
Club Sandwich said:
my Colt Model 733 is just under 6lbs, and my G36C post sample is 6.3lbs. the balance on the G36C is much more forward, but they aren't terribly different in weight enough to matter much. a loaded magazine in both closes the weight gap slightly.

comparing full length rifles, my G36K and M4A1 are about the same weight, the M16A1 and A2 being slightly heavier than the G36A1 i have. the bolt carrier group does weigh more when divorced from their receivers, however all of the G36 barrels are noticeably thicker in profile than the corresponding M16/M4 barrel. for the AR-18, it's actually lighter than the M16A2 very slightly since it's mostly sheet metal construction. the SCAR-L is heavier than an M4, but lighter than the M16, however it has a 18" barrel and more aluminum in the receiver so it's probably the difference there.

the weights are overall pretty similar of the ones i have handy, when directly weighing them from a digital scale in an unloaded and somewhat basic configuration without accessories. the reciprocating mass of the AR-18 derivatives is far heavier than the equivalent mass in the AR-15 though.
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^:informative::informative::informative::informative::informative::informative::informative::informative::informative::informative::informative:^

It's an interesting design philosophy that the Germans seem to not be as concerned with durability of the receiver (MG42,G36) as Americans (compare Browning 1919 and M16).

I'm surprised that an M16A1 is heavier than the G36A1 - this is with the optic?
 
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