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10 rounds in 10 seconds at 40 yards is fucking impressive and made me rethink training and carry. Used to think carrying with my delta point pro would be a great way to lose the optic in police evidence locker but there’s some shots at range you definitely have to be on. I’m good hitting a plate at 25 yards with irons relaxed at the range, can’t imagine 40 yards while someone is actively shooting
 
10 rounds in 10 seconds at 40 yards is fucking impressive and made me rethink training and carry. Used to think carrying with my delta point pro would be a great way to lose the optic in police evidence locker but there’s some shots at range you definitely have to be on. I’m good hitting a plate at 25 yards with irons relaxed at the range, can’t imagine 40 yards while someone is actively shooting
My philosophy is that self-defense shooting are both rare, and by definition severely, harmful to yourself and your family if not unaddressed properly.

So potentially losing another couple hundred dollars on an optic, if it actually helps save your life, is worth it to me. For that same reasoning, I (legally) suppressed my primary home-defense carbine, and have my nicer optics on it. If I had the NV equipment, I might put that on there too.

The thing is, I live in rural Texas. I am not going to get legally fucked over for having these accessories in a self-defense scenario.
 
Not every state has a duty to retreat mandate in their self defense laws. And after Uvalde, I think you have a good chance of finding a jury with enough sense to know that the police are not coming to save you (nor do they have a legal duty to save you).

"I feared for my life" and "I wanted to stop the threat to myself and others" are as specific enough as they need to be.
Never underestimate a prosecutor's need for a paycheck or a jury's capability of being cowed. It's not always so cut and dry and legally there's a lot of shit that can go against you - not to mention public discussion. Depending on the scale you might even get a thread here with some retard that joined a week ago calling you a faggot.
Regardless, it's a good idea to have a good attorney on call so you don't spill your spaghetti over the bad guy's guts; it looks really bad.
 
Never underestimate a prosecutor's need for a paycheck or a jury's capability of being cowed. It's not always so cut and dry and legally there's a lot of shit that can go against you - not to mention public discussion. Depending on the scale you might even get a thread here with some retard that joined a week ago calling you a faggot.
Regardless, it's a good idea to have a good attorney on call so you don't spill your spaghetti over the bad guy's guts; it looks really bad.
Completely agree. Look no further than this slimey motherfucker right here:
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And in the Post-Chauvin World, it's pretty clear juries can be intimidated into a verdict without so much as a fuss from anyone.

Having a cooler head in times of crisis may save you some headache later, but man you gotta think quick in a lot of situations. Kenosha Kyle probably would have been murdered if he didn't do what he did.

Would I attempt a 40yd shot on a mass shooter with a concealable handgun? Probably not. But none of us have been in that situation.

I have to ask myself: would I rather be dead or on trial?
 
I have to ask myself: would I rather be dead or on trial?
I hate to say this, but with the current climate for some I've talked to who have kids they want to be dead since they'll ruin their kids life (of course, the realistic reaction to that is Killdozer if I had kids probably).
I'm not sure you would walk in a self-defense shooting in most large cities. Just look at the guy who shot someone pointing an AK into his car in Austin, he's still held without bond since 2020 as far as I know.

This incestuous relationship between the police and the judicial system must be destroyed. Moving the DA and judge out of the same building would be a start. Oh, and the while you're at it, get rid of challenging a jury on grounds of race and sex, the composition should be closely representative of the population locally and not as a whole.
 
I'm not sure you would walk in a self-defense shooting in most large cities. Just look at the guy who shot someone pointing an AK into his car in Austin, he's still held without bond since 2020 as far as I know.
Well, it is Austin so...

But I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing. With the Summer of Love going full swing with riots, cities being burned, etc tensions were really high. I'm sorry, but I don't think I would let some random person come up and just point a loaded AK in my face and me not respond if I was armed. There is no clearer provacation than that (in my opinion).

But Im hoping Texans do the right thing in that case. He's a veteran and was legally carrying a pistol, if I remember correctly.
 
But Im hoping Texans do the right thing in that case. He's a veteran and was legally carrying a pistol, if I remember correctly.
Can't do shit when the judge and the DA are working togeather to fuck him over, shorty of unelecting those two from office (and maybe life).
Greg Abbot isn't Desantis, he'd cuck and bend over instead of firing the DA like Desantis did.
 
Completely agree. Look no further than this slimey motherfucker right here:
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And in the Post-Chauvin World, it's pretty clear juries can be intimidated into a verdict without so much as a fuss from anyone.

Having a cooler head in times of crisis may save you some headache later, but man you gotta think quick in a lot of situations. Kenosha Kyle probably would have been murdered if he didn't do what he did.

Would I attempt a 40yd shot on a mass shooter with a concealable handgun? Probably not. But none of us have been in that situation.

I have to ask myself: would I rather be dead or on trial?
The idea is to not do stupid things that would result in a huge, nationally anticipated trial.
I don't care for Colion Noir but this is a perfect display of how shitty it can go without proper understanding,

I have to ask myself: would I rather be dead or on trial?
Sometimes they will make you want to be dead. Not all is fair and just in this world, which is why you need as clean a situation as possible.
 
My philosophy is that self-defense shooting are both rare, and by definition severely, harmful to yourself and your family if not unaddressed properly.

So potentially losing another couple hundred dollars on an optic, if it actually helps save your life, is worth it to me. For that same reasoning, I (legally) suppressed my primary home-defense carbine, and have my nicer optics on it. If I had the NV equipment, I might put that on there too.

The thing is, I live in rural Texas. I am not going to get legally fucked over for having these accessories in a self-defense scenario.
If you do get night vision I highly suggest getting a bump or ballistic helmet with solid ear pro. Pricey but it’s worth it. I have a team Wendy bump helmet with comtacs and a PVS14. I also keep a p320 with a surefire vampire as well as a fannypack that has medical and extra mags by the helmet so I get to really set the terms on whatever goes bump in the night.
 
Sometimes they will make you want to be dead. Not all is fair and just in this world, which is why you need as clean a situation as possible.
I think this has to do with the fact that juries are no longer the final arbiters of the case and so much is removed from them now for better or worse.
 
Not every state has a duty to retreat mandate in their self defense laws. And after Uvalde, I think you have a good chance of finding a jury with enough sense to know that the police are not coming to save you (nor do they have a legal duty to save you).

"I feared for my life" and "I wanted to stop the threat to myself and others" are as specific enough as they need to be.

The guy in Indiana was a fucking champ.
My points I was going to bring up have mostly been addressed but yes, you're right it depends heavily on which State you're in, your local Chief of Police, your mayor, DA, etc. Do you really want to spin the 'I don't have qualified immunity ' lottery wheel?

I'm not trying to discourage you guys from defending yourselves, ever at all. I'm just saying look at things as objectively and realistically as possible. Once you drawn your firearm, you have automatically upgraded the situation to a lethal force encounter. That is how it's going to be looked at legally. I don't want anyone here to go to jail, get hurt, blah blah blah. I'm also not a lawyer, hence the generalities. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is your personal common sense. Did you have to put yourself in this situation, etc? Being a Good Samaritan isn't enough anymore. Even if you're a police officer and compelled to act, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
I'm not trying to discourage you guys from defending yourselves, ever at all.
If you need to defend yourself you need to, simple as, nobody but you has true value on what your life is worth.

When you get to others it gets really iffy these days.
I'll bet you 100% if another gunman shows up in majority of counties in Texas (outside the cities) and pull a Ulvalde, you could probably kill all the cops, stop the shooter, and get acquitted on that trial for murdering the police (unless its federal then you're 10/10 FUCKED).
Should you, is another question.

Power is not granted by the government, it is loaned to from the people per the bill of rights. If the government will not exercise those powers as we the people have commanded, then you ought to take them back.
 
I'm glad that my post was able to spawn such an important discussion. Rereading what I wrote, there is one thing which I don't believe I communicated well: While the Indiana shooting was the catalyst that prompted me to reexamine my choice of EDC, I by no means believe that everyone should be arming themselves with the expectation of headshotting homicidal teenagers at 40 yards, That's neither realistic nor reasonable. Regardless, it's up to everyone to decide for themselves where they want the trade-off to be in regards to performance vs concealability/comfort. For me, I examined my performance with my micro compact and decided that maybe I'd be willing to put up with something larger if it meant I could shoot more quickly and accurately at slightly further ranges (not necessarily as extreme as 40yd). For others, it might be that they simply aren't concerned about the possibility of having to do so, as it is (as some users have pointed out) a statistically rare occurrence, or that they're confident they can do so with something more compact than what I chose. Fair enough, it is after all a highly personal choice.

In regards to the legal side of things, I think some very good points were brought up. However, I must say this: I hope that if (God forbid) I ever find myself in a mass-shooting event, I don't let fear over the potential fallout of my actions in court stop me from doing what's right, as real and justified as that fear may be. I know that probably sounds corny and self-righteous, but that's how I feel. The first time that a legal gun owner stays his/her hand out of fear of repercussions when lives are at stake, Soros and his bought off DA goons have won.

On a lighter note, Wilson Combat got back to me about that non-fitting recoil spring:

Good morning. The flat wire springs have a smaller interior bore. The necessary guide rod is only available as a kit with the flat spring, the replacement springs are available individually. I'll include a link below. Thank you.

Here's what the description on the product page says:

The longest lasting handgun recoil spring made - Our special bullet proof flat wire chrome-silicon spring and standard length guide rod is now available as a replacement spring for your Wilson Combat Beretta flat wire kit. This 14 pound spring is the ideal weight for standard velocity and +P 9mm loads - our testing has indicated that these springs have a service life up to ten times greater than conventional coil springs.

  • Improves Cycling and Overall Operation
  • Improved Recoil Spring Life
  • Chrome Silicon Steel
  • Replacement spring for kit #752CP14 (Compact/Centurion, Beretta 90
Wow, you sure made that super clear. Thanks, WC!
 
The first time that a legal gun owner stays his/her hand out of fear of repercussions when lives are at stake, Soros and his bought off DA goons have won.
They already have in some ways. Most people I know who carry wouldn't intervene because "The cops can handle it". Granted, that might have changed post-Uvalde, but I doubt it sways the needle by much.
Remember, these people are the same ones who want more government despite the following:
  1. School admin (government) - is negligent and will likely fail upwards despite knowingly not fixing the broken doors
  2. Local cop who gave the order to not enter (government)
  3. Swat who chose not to go in per the OIC (Government)
  4. Federal agents who should've taken over and went in (but didn't until their SWAT team arrived)
  5. Local PD not answering to the DPS because their afraid it'll uncover their dealings with the cartels (Government)
  6. Cops preventing parents from going in despite everyone hearing the gunfire. (Government)
The only thing that's not government in that event was the shooter, and the shooters parents for being a worthless sack of shit that should be hung drawn and quartered for being a failure of a human being.
These people are set in there ways, and cannot be changed. God forbid they be on your jury.
 
If you fuck up, your life is over. Until recently, if the cop fucked up he would be put on administrative leave.
Not so much motivation for either party to step in with how much our legal system has turned into a game to be played than actual honest justice.
That has to do with the fact that both the state and the defense are engaged in a game of "How do I make this as difficult as possible and how many 'loopholes' (To the common man, eg Video of Rittenhouse riasing his rifl' and 'Sometimes everybody takes a beating') can I use to screw the other side over?". Granted, that's the base of human nature in things being adversarial, but they took it up to a whole another level.
It's no longer trying to find the truth in the law, it's become a game of whackamole with loopholes not unlike the tax code.
Don't forget, in ye olden days the judges would travel their circuits and have court in an open square. Back then you might also get lynched as the defendant if they think the judge fucked around. The judge might also get lynched too since they don't sit safe hidden away in a courthouse.
If I had a solution, I'd be the leader of a country probably. I don't.
 
If you fuck up, your life is over.
In this way, we really are returning to pre-modern history. It's a real shame, but the rules are changing from underneath us again. Keep up or eat shit and die.

Might want to consider how you and your family are going to reduce contact with our neo-feudalistic privileged classes, and having a backup plan for if and when they do try to bring wrecking ball to your life. Canadian ruralists have had to deal with this problem for a while now.

Avoid trouble where you can. If trouble comes looking for you, be prepared to take its head off and deal with the consequences. In addition, be prepared to capitalize on trouble having trouble of its own.
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If you do get night vision I highly suggest getting a bump or ballistic helmet with solid ear pro. Pricey but it’s worth it. I have a team Wendy bump helmet with comtacs and a PVS14. I also keep a p320 with a surefire vampire as well as a fannypack that has medical and extra mags by the helmet so I get to really set the terms on whatever goes bump in the night.
Recently acquired a surplus MICH 2000 to replace my old surplus PASGT for that reason, and slightly more up to date protection. Still using traditional shields until I can get a good set of com-capable earpro. One bite at a time, I guess.


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Getting a bit more on topic:

With the old GOEX blackpowder factory looking like it is going to get back up to full production in the next year or so, what blackpowder rifles do you guys recommend?
 
Recently acquired a surplus MICH 2000 to replace my old surplus PASGT for that reason, and slightly more up to date protection. Still using traditional shields until I can get a good set of com-capable earpro. One bite at a time, I guess.
How much are the MICH and PASGT running these days? I've seen them going at minimum for 500 where I'm at pre-covid.
I've gotten to wear a ECH before from a friend, but I'd be more worried about the new thermoplastics because I remember hearing issues in the first few sets.
 
Can't do shit when the judge and the DA are working togeather to fuck him over, shorty of unelecting those two from office (and maybe life).
Greg Abbot isn't Desantis, he'd cuck and bend over instead of firing the DA like Desantis did.
Well judges and DAs do have *IP* addresses....when they check their email. Everyone does.

If a close family member of mine was being judicially raped for defending themselves or me I'd DDOS them.
 
How much are the MICH and PASGT running these days? I've seen them going at minimum for 500 where I'm at pre-covid.
I've gotten to wear a ECH before from a friend, but I'd be more worried about the new thermoplastics because I remember hearing issues in the first few sets.
MICH/ACH run honestly somewhere between 200-500 from what I've seen. Depending on if the person selling it knows what they have and what it could be worth. Certainly not the most common ones to find in second hand stores or for sale.
 
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