Here's a classic you probably know, the Nornico type 56 SKS, one you probably know. I just got a classic sling for it and a chest rig is arriving soon. Pretty well built, milled receiver, good trigger, the works.Here is show 64式手枪 pistol. A beautiful pride of hardworking old time Chinese workers who make the firearms of that generation. A good classic to protect the people.
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I'm yet to see a reliable drum to be honest. Never had any luck with those things - always feeding problems... I've heard good things about SAW150 but everytime someone mentions drums I have involuntary reaction to not trust thoseI'm waiting for someone to try to make the Bump Brace, or outright just a sliding Bump Grip. Beyond that, I'm looking forward to more people experimenting with "Bump SAWs", because I legit thought they were cool and had promise.
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I get a couple of ideas in my head about how one can best approach a Bump SAW. The cheapest way is plain a heavy profile barrel and free-float fore-end on an AR15 for putting a bipod or grippod onto, which will work enough for recreation, but it's not gonna be the best or long lasting.
For a more dedicated setup, I can picture a replacement upper which uses a long-stroke piston together with a (possibly) monolithic front-end which doesn't just free-float the thing for your bipod, but which has an open side to facilitate a quick-detach barrel (heavy profile and with fluting or something else to increase outside surface area while also shaving some weight).
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For magazines, one option is to use the existing well on the lower for regular 30rd mags and some of the drums. The SAW150 drum is supposed to be very reliable and robust, unlike the C-Mag, but it's also expensive and heavy, and I'm unsure of if they are still being made. The weight of a loaded SAW mag with 223 ammo would probably be enough that it could cause issues with reliability of bumping and thus require a recoil booster.
The other approach which strikes me in the moment is to have a magwell on the left side of the upper receiver, that way you can have a pair of clamped PMAG40s inserted, they are pretty reliable from my experience, and keeping them on the side would keep them from getting in the way of movement and make it easier to reload with them. It would also give you an aesthetic a bit like a Johnson Automatic Rifle or the MG13, just in an intermediate size.
For people with transferable lowers and SOTs, they could skip straight to real full-auto for the better results, but with bump stocks unbanned, something like this would be an 'economical' way of having a light support weapon. Even if the affair might end up being a $2000+ product, it's still going to be miles cheaper and easier than a real select-fire one, and if the registry is ever reopened one day (or the NFA voided), converting these into proper select-fire guns is simple and easy.
Just looking at that SAW150 mag, I just kinda want it for when I get a AR. Looks impractical for most things, but very rugged. Though as you said, 40 round mags are a good option too, and we know those are still in production, and there's also these 60 round quad stacks like my brother has, though I don't know how reliable.I'm waiting for someone to try to make the Bump Brace, or outright just a sliding Bump Grip. Beyond that, I'm looking forward to more people experimenting with "Bump SAWs", because I legit thought they were cool and had promise.
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I get a couple of ideas in my head about how one can best approach a Bump SAW. The cheapest way is plain a heavy profile barrel and free-float fore-end on an AR15 for putting a bipod or grippod onto, which will work enough for recreation, but it's not gonna be the best or long lasting.
For a more dedicated setup, I can picture a replacement upper which uses a long-stroke piston together with a (possibly) monolithic front-end which doesn't just free-float the thing for your bipod, but which has an open side to facilitate a quick-detach barrel (heavy profile and with fluting or something else to increase outside surface area while also shaving some weight).
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For magazines, one option is to use the existing well on the lower for regular 30rd mags and some of the drums. The SAW150 drum is supposed to be very reliable and robust, unlike the C-Mag, but it's also expensive and heavy, and I'm unsure of if they are still being made. The weight of a loaded SAW mag would probably be enough that it could cause issues with reliability of bumping and thus require a recoil booster.
The other approach which strikes me in the moment is to have a magwell on the left side of the upper receiver, that way you can have a pair of clamped PMAG40s inserted, they are pretty reliable from my experience, and keeping them on the side would keep them from getting in the way of movement and make it easier to reload with them. It would also give you an aesthetic a bit like a Johnson Automatic Rifle or the MG13, just in an intermediate size.
For people with transferable lowers and SOTs, they could skip straight to real full-auto for the better results, but with bump stocks unbanned, something like this would be an 'economical' way of having a light support weapon. Even if the affair might end up being a $2000+ product, it's still going to be miles cheaper and easier than a real select-fire one, and if the registry is ever reopened one day (or the NFA voided
Yeah. Drums are mostly range toys, but going by testimony from people who have them, they sound like they're the king of these toys. I've had the lust for one in the past, but the big pricetag and heavy weight (even having handled an unloaded one, they feel very beefy), puts me off each time.I'm yet to see a reliable drum to be honest. Never had any luck with those things - always feeding problems... I've heard good things about SAW150 but everytime someone mentions drums I have involuntary reaction to not trust those
Supposedly, Armatac builds the things so that you can drop them onto the pavement or a concrete floor like any other mag and not have to worry about it getting damaged, which sounds plausible given the heft. I've seen C-Mags come apart from being dropped onto lawns or even from shorter heights onto shooting benches (scattering the ammo around), so there's a stark difference.
Have not tried those, but I have this vague memory of someone somewhere saying these things were no good. I don't know if that's true, and that's an unsubstantiated memory of someone's informal account, so don't take my word for it.
He got the mag to start on his journey to buy a AR, though so far he hasn't lol. I'd either need to borrow it to use it on a buddies AR or wait until I get mine.
I have one and it seems to work fine, but between the extra ammo and the drum itself it's honestly just too damn heavy to be worth it. If it's just for fun, sure, but how often do you need 60 uninterrupted shots? Unless you were absolutely sure you were going to be shooting from a fixed position, like a window of your house or something, AND you knew you would need the extra ammo.
Magpul D-60s and D-50s are supposed to be g2g.
Yeah, there's no real good use case for it (other than a range toy) especially when 40 rounder PMAGs are a thing. Still, good to know it at least functions as expected.
i used them during the 2003 evaluations, and they were never issued other than for testing purposes and COTS. the ones we tried worked alright but could not cope with contamination other than bad weather/water. dust and sand would dead line them. you had a special loader and a graphite dry lubricant you had to use too during loading. they did work fairly well when clean and banged around a MOUT course though, they had a blackened steel back panel vs the plastic ones i saw commercially as well as an internal support pillar thing and some stamped steel feed lips. additionally the H&K variation for the MG36 automatic rifle works flawlessly in my experience. ultimately they are unwieldy to use and when the Germans scrapped the MG36 project and switched to the MG4 they stopped issuing it entirely.
One suggestion I recall was that you'd carry your rifle or carbine with a drum loaded, and then all your reloads are conventional mags, vaguely akin to how the South African military would do it with their Vektor/Galil rifles and those longer mags. Couldn't say how useful that approach is, but you aren't carrying and handling a bunch of bulky drums, while still having a capacity advantage to start with.
Pretty sure they still call for the graphite lube, something I always interpreted as a warning sign.
Thank god for that. I've heard some say that the ones they used with the MG36 was supposed to be good, but I just don't have any trust for the C-Mag in any capacity. Belts are better for dedicated support weapons anyway.
I want one of those because of their unusual look, and because of Robocop. Also because they look cool when filled up with something big like .458 SOCOM, which is one of those kinds of excesses I'd like to try out if I won the lottery or something. They can hold like 29 or maybe 30 or something, but apparently work best with 28, which is still LOTS of a big round like that.
Holy moly, how much does that double drum even hold?!Yeah. Drums are mostly range toys, but going by testimony from people who have them, they sound like they're the king of these toys. I've had the lust for one in the past, but the big pricetag and heavy weight (even having handled an unloaded one, they feel very beefy), puts me off each time.
The novelty of rattling off lots and lots of rounds, and the comedic phallic visual (which I see pointed out whenever this image is posted on /k/), isn't enough to justify it to me in this economy, maybe when we'll see some cheaper steelcase become abundant again some day. The occasional bumpfiring with a pair of PMAG40s scratches the itch enough for me.
it was made with parts tooling in Romania, but purposely modified to make it easier to import with "sporting" furniture. this included some improvements like the modified RPK rear sight, enhanced gas block, Hogue grip, Tapco muzzle device; but for compliance a single stack magazine and thumbhole stock. these were swapped for US made parts in the US and the magazine well widened. the "M4 stock adapter" you mention may vary a little because of this - i know for a fact the Rifle Dynamics AK-M4 adapter works, but really any WASR compatible adapter should work with very little modification if any as the receiver itself is the same stamping.
That drum is sick. Getting drums dedicated, or at least cross compatible with 350 legend would be awesome, but would need more support. Still as a heavy 9mm thump gun, having the ability to dump a high volume of fire would only complete that thumper role; less range, more energy, lots of dakka.
If it has a standard AK side rail, could try something like the Belomo mounts. They have an ultra low one that may work, like this one. Make sure it matches your measurements: https://www.ebay.com/itm/224509785257