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DocAwe said:
Just buy a generic section of rail and screw it into the handguard.
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Could do that too, but it's not sexy. Neither is the rail adapter, though. I wasn't planning of running a light on it anyway, so it's not a major concern. Glad I held off on buying a Ruger PC9, that's for sure.
 
I know Shot Show is pretty gay usually but I felt it was worth mentioning that PSA has announced they are going to start making STG-44 clones

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TerminalTryHard said:
No clue, I'm not really following SS that deep just the highlights.

So far is just the STG-44 clone, Berretta bringing the Cheetah back, and Mid West Industries launching it's own line of knock off Zenitco furniture
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My friend told me they bought out HMG so I can't imagine they actually have anything worthwhile.
 
DocAwe said:
They shelved it after the both HK and the Turks brought guns to the market.
Can't say I blame them.
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What WhiteDevil said, you already had Turkish MP5s coming into the US for a long while, along with H&K.

TerminalTryHard said:
That's just way too much for a meme gun.
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What else are you expecting though? They're either buying whatever tooling and dies HMG had which were viable (if true), or they're developing it themselves (possibly both), and then building a new rifle from scratch, and they're actually gonna stamp it too, that's not fucking cheap for small production which this is gonna be. There was never going to be a decent economy of scale here because these are novelty guns with a limited market appeal.

Might sell enough with time that it actually comes down to that $1800 pricetag in some odd five years. Given the kind of ghastly improvised bubba shit I've seen from re-enactors in need of any kind of facsimile for a gun they can't easily have, I'm assuming they're going to be one of the core demographics because it looks the part and is centerfire.

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That looks like it's an original magazine, too.
 
HumptiDouji said:
What WhiteDevil said, you already had Turkish MP5s coming into the US for a long while, along with H&K.


What else are you expecting though? They're either buying whatever tooling and dies HMG had which were viable (if true), or they're developing it themselves (possibly both), and then building a new rifle from scratch, and they're actually gonna stamp it too, that's not fucking cheap for small production which this is gonna be. There was never going to be a decent economy of scale here because these are novelty guns with a limited market appeal.

Might sell enough with time that it actually comes down to that $1800 pricetag in some odd five years. Given the kind of ghastly improvised bubba shit I've seen from re-enactors in need of any kind of facsimile for a gun they can't easily have, I'm assuming they're going to be one of the core demographics because it looks the part and is centerfire.

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That looks like it's an original magazine, too.
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Closer to like 1500 I guess.
 
HumptiDouji said:
What WhiteDevil said, you already had Turkish MP5s coming into the US for a long while, along with H&K.


What else are you expecting though? They're either buying whatever tooling and dies HMG had which were viable (if true), or they're developing it themselves (possibly both), and then building a new rifle from scratch, and they're actually gonna stamp it too, that's not fucking cheap for small production which this is gonna be. There was never going to be a decent economy of scale here because these are novelty guns with a limited market appeal.

Might sell enough with time that it actually comes down to that $1800 pricetag in some odd five years. Given the kind of ghastly improvised bubba shit I've seen from re-enactors in need of any kind of facsimile for a gun they can't easily have, I'm assuming they're going to be one of the core demographics because it looks the part and is centerfire.

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That looks like it's an original magazine, too.
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That is truly dark. Ian must be having a stroke right now.
 
HumptiDouji said:
They made quite a lot of M1s, they're around pretty widely and you can still get refurbed ones from the CMP at a price which I think is very agreeable for a what's actually a very good semi-automatic milsurp rifle, especially for its era. Try getting a Walther G43, SVT-40, or Hakim for even a third of the price of a decent M1, and those rifles are just far less shootable, the M1 is even easily available in .308 Winchester, and with the original .30-06 Springfield you can feed it high powered hunting loads assuming you've replaced the gas plug with something like a Schuster adjustable one (but don't without one).
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The M1 also has widely available surplus AND new clips, as well as various spare parts (to a degree, even in Europe), which cannot be said for those other examples, magazines for those are rare, and magazines just do not interchange freely between SVT-40 rifles, they had the same issue in production there as with the PPSh-41, sets of mags had to be paired with the gun in question.
The only other comparably practical milsurp semi-auto rifle today is the SKS, which is cheaper and has generally cheap ammunition, and while it's an overall decent rifle, I think the M1 is a lot better and a lot nicer, weighing basically the same but with better ergos and sights, with higher power and a faster reload.
Further, Fulton Armory offers brand new parts for the M1, and will offer to build a new rifle if you provide them with a receiver, even to the short Tanker style. A bit pricy, but it's there, perhaps one day, the 3D printing revolution will allow the development of replacement tooling to make new M1 and BM59 receivers.
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I guess I'm just protective lol, having seen prices rise as I've grown, and feeling quite lucky I was able to get my SKS for 399. I will agree if we make new tooling to make new receivers, I'll eat my words, mod the crap our of them at that point lol.
TerminalTryHard said:
That really kills my interests. That's just way too much for a meme gun.
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I always thought of just getting that 22 clone for when I finally get a 22LR, still am, debating between that or a Ruger, but this as a full fledged clone, if i had the money, I'm just saying...
EDIT: Man it's in a lot of calibers lol. At least you can buy it in 7.62x39mm, the product improved version of 8mm Kurz, at least spirituality.

Also the news on M2 ball production has me fucking excited, probably will buy a box despite not having a 30-06. Thanks @Smoke Manmuscle
 
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HumptiDouji said:
What WhiteDevil said, you already had Turkish MP5s coming into the US for a long while, along with H&K.


What else are you expecting though? They're either buying whatever tooling and dies HMG had which were viable (if true), or they're developing it themselves (possibly both), and then building a new rifle from scratch, and they're actually gonna stamp it too, that's not fucking cheap for small production which this is gonna be. There was never going to be a decent economy of scale here because these are novelty guns with a limited market appeal.

Might sell enough with time that it actually comes down to that $1800 pricetag in some odd five years. Given the kind of ghastly improvised bubba shit I've seen from re-enactors in need of any kind of facsimile for a gun they can't easily have, I'm assuming they're going to be one of the core demographics because it looks the part and is centerfire.

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*in Plankton's voice*
"What? It's just a regular Chaucha- OH MY GOODNESS!"

ETA: here's your options if you're affected by the brace rule.

 
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I’m gonna ask a retarded question and reveal my gaping soy mouth but is there a way to make the gun that Bossk’s gun was composed of to shoot actual bullets or is that just a retarded fantasy. For reference here’s both and the gun is a Relby-v10 mortar gun, aka a riot gun that launches ordnance like gas or grenades.
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Shidoen said:
I’m gonna ask a retarded question and reveal my gaping soy mouth but is there a way to make the gun that Bossk’s gun was composed of to shoot actual bullets or is that just a retarded fantasy. For reference here’s both and the gun is a Relby-v10 mortar gun, aka a riot gun that launches ordnance like gas or grenades.
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Metal Storm got you covered, bruh. Y'all remember Metal Storm?
 
Shidoen said:
I’m gonna ask a retarded question and reveal my gaping soy mouth but is there a way to make the gun that Bossk’s gun was composed of to shoot actual bullets or is that just a retarded fantasy. For reference here’s both and the gun is a Relby-v10 mortar gun, aka a riot gun that launches ordnance like gas or grenades.
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Best I can tell, that thing is based on a Webley Schermuly launcher, it's made out of aluminum and it's meant for launching flares, teargas, etc.
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That's not to say you couldn't use something lethal with it, grenades can be launched with "High-Low" low pressure charges, like your typical 40x46mm NATO grenade used in M79s, M203s, Mk.32s, etc, I believe the M79 and M203 even have aluminum barrels, but there's no readily available 37mm shells for guns like these with explosive payloads.
You could maybe cook up some sort of big shotgun style load, and while there are 12-Gauge shotguns which feature aluminum barrels themselves, I would strongly suggest to be careful about developing such loads for a gun like this, I wouldn't want to test that latch or its bearing surfaces too hard.
Mind also that shooting shotgun shells and what not out of stuff like these will tend to reclassify them as Destructive Devices in US law, so if that's where you are and you intend to fool around with one, get the paperwork in order first.

tl;dr yes, but there's some ifs and buts.
If this is for fiction, you could just go for broke and use it for launching a canister with poison gas or something, not like it'd be functionally different from chucking one with teargas.
 
HumptiDouji said:
Best I can tell, that thing is based on a Webley Schermuly launcher, it's made out of aluminum and it's meant for launching flares, teargas, etc.
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That's not to say you couldn't use something lethal with it, grenades can be launched with "High-Low" low pressure charges, like your typical 40x46mm NATO grenade used in M79s, M203s, Mk.32s, etc, I believe the M79 and M203 even have aluminum barrels, but there's no readily available 37mm shells for guns like these with explosive payloads.
You could maybe cook up some sort of big shotgun style load, and while there are 12-Gauge shotguns which feature aluminum barrels themselves, I would strongly suggest to be careful about developing such loads for a gun like this, I wouldn't want to test that latch or its bearing surfaces too hard.
Mind also that shooting shotgun shells and what not out of stuff like these will tend to reclassify them as Destructive Devices in US law, so if that's where you are and you intend to fool around with one, get the paperwork in order first.

tl;dr yes, but there's some ifs and buts.
If this is for fiction, you could just go for broke and use it for launching a canister with poison gas or something, not like it'd be functionally different from chucking one with teargas.
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So what your saying is that it's possible? Good to know.
 
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