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I like wood but its a strategic thing. Studies show that juries convict less when the weapon has a wood stock. its less scary. its stupid, it makes no sense but it is the reality.
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3rd gen. 4th gen Glocks are not Safe Handgun Roster compliant (handy link: https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search) and must be privately transferred from an individual via a dealer brokering the transaction rather than directly from the dealer. there are numerous other requirements including multiple forms of identification, multiple background checks, waiting period, requirements for the safe handling test, a safe affidavit, mandatory gun lock, and so on. you must also be aware of legal transport and configuration options to avoid an inadvertent legally-defined Assault Weapon configuration (say you find a cheap used Tec-DC9...).
flowchart for identifying a CA legal handgun and complying with CA handgun laws, with references: https://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf
1. You need a California driver license or California DMV-issued identification card with your current address on it. You must be 18 or older, or for handguns 21 or older.
1.a. If your California driver license or ID card says "Federal Limits Apply" in the corner, then it is not REAL ID-compliant, and you need to present additional documentation to prove your legal presence in the United States, in particular what is listed in California Code of Regulations, Title 11, section 4045.1, such as a passport or a birth certificate.
1.b. If your California driver license or identification card doesn't have your current address, then federal law requires you present a government-issued document with your current address on it. This can be car registration or if your local utility is government-owned, a utilities bill. Or your California License to Carry.
2. If you are purchasing a handgun, Californian law requires an additional document beyond your driver license/ID card that shows proof of residence in California. The list of what is acceptable as proof of residence in California is at https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#14G An example is a utility bill, and it doesn't have to be a government-owned utility bill, so Cox, Spectrum, PG&E, SCE, etc. is fine. Another example is a California License to Carry. This is not needed for a long arm such as a rifle or a shotgun, but some FFLs insist on it to keep one procedure for all firearm purchases, regardless of if a handgun or a rifle is being purchased.
3. You have to present a valid Firearms Safety Certificate. There are a number of things that can substitute and they're listed at https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fscfaqs#c6 A California License to Carry is one of those things.
4. You may need a safe affidavit (https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/bof-978.pdf) or a receipt for a gun lock purchased within the last 30 days to avoid having to buy a gun lock. But most firearms ship with gun locks nowadays.
1.a. If your California driver license or ID card says "Federal Limits Apply" in the corner, then it is not REAL ID-compliant, and you need to present additional documentation to prove your legal presence in the United States, in particular what is listed in California Code of Regulations, Title 11, section 4045.1, such as a passport or a birth certificate.
1.b. If your California driver license or identification card doesn't have your current address, then federal law requires you present a government-issued document with your current address on it. This can be car registration or if your local utility is government-owned, a utilities bill. Or your California License to Carry.
2. If you are purchasing a handgun, Californian law requires an additional document beyond your driver license/ID card that shows proof of residence in California. The list of what is acceptable as proof of residence in California is at https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#14G An example is a utility bill, and it doesn't have to be a government-owned utility bill, so Cox, Spectrum, PG&E, SCE, etc. is fine. Another example is a California License to Carry. This is not needed for a long arm such as a rifle or a shotgun, but some FFLs insist on it to keep one procedure for all firearm purchases, regardless of if a handgun or a rifle is being purchased.
3. You have to present a valid Firearms Safety Certificate. There are a number of things that can substitute and they're listed at https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fscfaqs#c6 A California License to Carry is one of those things.
4. You may need a safe affidavit (https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/bof-978.pdf) or a receipt for a gun lock purchased within the last 30 days to avoid having to buy a gun lock. But most firearms ship with gun locks nowadays.
i strongly encourage you to purchase and attend a training course in safe handling or a hunter's safety course or similar (there are many) if you lack experience with firearms and have few if any friends with firearms. the state is actively refusing to renew shooting range operating permits and making insurance premiums for them very expensive so there are fewer shooting ranges in CA now (similar to a shrinking safe handgun roster). some of these ranges offer instruction or rental. inquire at a specific range about rental and be prepared to buy ammunition from that range for their rental gun. you are likely to also attend a safety class if you are a newer shooter and ask about it or even be refused a rental if you cannot produce a safety certificate. most ranges that have instructors have a particular day where an instructor is available for new shooters.
there are background checks and limitations on ammunition type and quantity to be purchased, certain requirements and restriction on how and where you can buy ammunition or have it shipped, and CA also tends to charge additional fees above and beyond all of the above to pay the administration costs. these are non-refundable.
violations of most of the laws mentioned above or not correctly following various flowcharts to ensure compliance is usually a serious misdemeanor and possibly a felony, which on conviction can completely remove your right to bear arms and result in significant fines and a prison term.
CA is surprisingly very strong on self defense. it is the limitation on choice, carry, and various gun-unfriendly laws that give great leeway for abuse where it's terrible. CA has no duty to retreat, affirmative defense for both Castle Doctrine and Forcible Felonies, and includes "any area you are legally entitled to be" as your self-defense bastion, including public (non-school, non-correctional) areas, your car, and even your workplace.
it was mentioned by @DocAwe already but smaller tends to be more difficult to control since there is less mass to absorb energy from the shot. that energy has to go somewhere and if it's not into the gun, then its into your hand/elbow/shoulder.
the forms and background check paperwork is a federal document, and a CA DOJ document (depending which it is). it is perjury, a crime, to lie on these documents. CA has no provision for medical marijuana use in conjunction with gun rights and federally it is a felony to purchase or possess a firearm of any kind when you are a user or addict to a controlled substance (https://www.atf.gov/file/60211/download) this includes medical marijuana and a variety of other drugs.
you are also barred from gun ownership if you have any conviction of a domestic violence crime, dishonorable discharge from the military, renounced your US citizenship, are an illegal alien, et c.
it is a felony to buy a gun for you, this is called a straw purchase. it is a felony in CA to purchase a gun without going through a CA gun dealer (except in very specific circumstances, and this includes online gun stores who will generally ship to a dealer near you to complete the transfer and if you are unable to complete the transfer you generally lose out on the money and might have committed a crime).
you are also barred from gun ownership if you have any conviction of a domestic violence crime, dishonorable discharge from the military, renounced your US citizenship, are an illegal alien, et c.
it is a felony to buy a gun for you, this is called a straw purchase. it is a felony in CA to purchase a gun without going through a CA gun dealer (except in very specific circumstances, and this includes online gun stores who will generally ship to a dealer near you to complete the transfer and if you are unable to complete the transfer you generally lose out on the money and might have committed a crime).
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It's actually usually the opposite. More gun=more weight+more real estate for your hands, both of which mitigate recoil.
Not to mention, like other posters have said, if you shoot someone in Cali even in clear self defense, they will want to try to fuck you over if they can. So a youth bird or trap shooting gun is the most "tool" gun it gets.
But if you are set on a handgun and have no experience/no one to teach you, get a used S&W revolver in 38 spl, or a used Glock in 9mm. Full size if possible, since you said you won't carry. Same advice I'd give anyone new who just wants something in the house in case something happens. Revolvers mean more options with CA law, at least unless they've even undermined the wheelgun heavily.
Exactly what Davids said. Black rifles with spooky cutouts and tactical looking rails scare non-gun people. If it looks like your grandpa's, you're probably less likely to get commiefornia'd.
All that to say, welcome to world of responsible gun ownership. Find someone to teach you or start really doing heavy research. Be safe, be smart, and never use it on someone if you can help it.
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Buy a Springfield 1911 or a Springfield XD pistol since they similar to looking like glocks without the finger groves.
California's handgun roster means technology for modern pistols is stuck in 2010s and that is before we get to the 10 round magazine cap.
Just use a 45 ACP over 9mm at that point.
The FSC test is pretty easy though you will need a fishing license or some other proof of address in addition to an ID to get a pistol. And buy ammo in bulk since prices going to rise as Newsom makes it harder.
And avoid politics because starting January 1st, every gun store is mandated 365/24/7 audio and video recordings in California.
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Liberals are retarded kiked niggerfaggots.
So outside of getting a featureless fin grip AR for about 700 to 900 dollars from Smith and Wesson, like the one Kyle Rittenhouse used. Or a Springfield Saint.
Your options for semi auto woodstocks off the shelf is the Springfield M1A that fires a powerful 308 round but surprisingly lightweight given the barrel is about 22 inches. However it's going to cost over 1500 dollars.
Or the Ruger Mini 14, which fires the 5.56 but does not accept PMAGs. Used to cost around 800 dollars during the Trump era but is over 1100 dollars now.
And there is the Ruger Mini 30, which fires the same round as the AK-47. And cost over a 1000 dollars.
Since there is a 10 round cap, getting the M1A with the more powerful round would be the best in my view.
In laymen's terms for everyone else here.
Most gun store clerks will teach the customer how to load and grip and unload the pistol. Then ask the customer to repeat the process.
Also some gun manufacturers provide a gun lock or the store has to sell it. However it can be returned for a refund right after purchase if someone doesn't want one. Surprisingly this rule is required even buying a simple stripped lower.
IIRC there is some law about safe storage if minors in the home but a safe is not required.
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Does anybody have any experience with the Civilian Marksmanship Program? How hard is it to get into/what equipment would I have to invest in to get started with it?
From what I understand I tick a few boxes for being eligible for "Marksmanship or Other Firearms-Related Activity".- I just don't know what joining a CMP club would entail. I'd really like to snag me a surplus 1911 if they still have them in good condition.
From what I understand I tick a few boxes for being eligible for "Marksmanship or Other Firearms-Related Activity".- I just don't know what joining a CMP club would entail. I'd really like to snag me a surplus 1911 if they still have them in good condition.
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i've been a member for a couple decades (back when it was still the DCM...). you just fulfill the membership requirements for the paperwork (club, competition, serviceman, LEO brotherhood (501(c)3 org like Police Benevolent Association), meet the age and citizen requirements, be able to prove you're eligible to possess a firearm in your state of residence). and after a fee and some processing you will get a confirmation letter (or email probably) and some additional "welcome" paperwork. you can then order a firearm or ammunition as needed.
note that the CMP is federally chartered and while they are exempt from a great many firearm regulations, they do take their charter very seriously and will check on your paperwork for conformity, correctness, and veracity.
you don't really need to "invest" in anything other than completing either a training course or have some background that includes live-fire training. the CMP is unique in the requirement that you actually have to have live-fire experience to join. military service, shooting competitions, or a hunting class that included live fire (some do, most don't these days). maybe join a 4-H event with an open invite if they still have those for competition or a local club that offers them. functionally the event must have some sort of proof that you attended and actually shot at the event. you can also go purely on paperwork like having an FFL yourself (including a C&R).
most people i know joined purely based on prior experience or on the merit of something like Scouts or joining a rifle and rod club or were current/former military, et c. some joined after they were already getting involved in hunting or competitive shooting already as surplus M1903's were common and easy to sporterize.
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What’s the statistics on guns that have brown-colored furniture?
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i forget what the study was called but it was a comparison with mock juries. they were presented with cases with all parameters being the same except for weapon used. AR-15 cases were convicted much more than shotgun or mini-14 cases. TFBTV's james did a review of the study a few months ago.
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Huh. I got a Garand from the CMP a few years back and I don't remember having to be a part of any org to order it. But my memory is shit so maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe my state gun advocacy group (Maryland Shall Issue) would count?
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IIRC there is a garand collectors club that was set up for that very reason. can't remember the exact name. your CCW license can count as participating in shooting sports too.
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Now I remember, I joined MSRPA, which is my state's NRA analog.
You also need record of any live fire experience, which I think I got by doing a hunter safety course.
I have my ccw but only after Bruen.
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as far as i can remember that should be enough, but i cant be sure. I was intent on getting a garand from the CMP years ago but didn't have the money and by now my interests have drifted away from military guns and into hunting guns (so many interesting guns made to fit into different hunting traditions and cultures - British double guns, German drillings etc) and blackpowder weapons.
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I'm only aware of specific California laws in passing so I don't have any specific models to recommend, with that said don't completely write off handguns for home defense based on what others have said(although none of it is bad advice). Depending on Commiefornia's """"safe storage"""" laws(and how much you want to follow them) handguns can be a lot easier to keep in an easily accessible location, like a nightstand or a box under your bed. I sleep close to my long gun cabinet, but if someone breaks in its a hell of a lot quicker to get to the handgun(s) in my nightstand than the rifle in my cabinet.
Whatever route you go make sure you try it out first, preferably with a decent instructor who can show you the ropes and help you get comfortable. Assuming you're not an old lady or physically disabled a pump 20ga shouldn't be a problem to operate, just make sure you can easily work the action. Ideally try to find a place that offers handgun and shotgun rentals with private instruction. Being a bit spooked by guns isn't a bad thing, overly conscious newbies are better learners than jackasses who think they already know everything.
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I think I mentioned in this thread, there are sources for parts kits of firearms "destroyed" by law enforcement, the sources are drying up but, there was time when you could get a demilled revolver, cut into 5 pieces. If you are a good enough gunsmith you can actually bring these back from the dead. Here are two guns I purchased as chopped up parts and welded/machined and then surface finished, back to life again. Both are Taurus manufacture which I know is not the best brand but, for the cost of the parts kit and the joy of working with my hands I have two fairly decent revolvers, I can say I built myself from parts.
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"Solutions into Problems" for $500, Alex:
tl;dr- it has single/double action; but push the hammer forward after cocking (from single-action) and it sets the trigger into a really long 2-stage position, with a very light pull & final break.
tl;dr- it has single/double action; but push the hammer forward after cocking (from single-action) and it sets the trigger into a really long 2-stage position, with a very light pull & final break.
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Just need to post that if you are in California and have a CCW, you are FUCKED for the new year:
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California Governor Gavin Newsom is ending 2023 with a victory lap after a federal appeals court cleared the path on Saturday for a controversial law that would prohibit the majority of legal gun owners from carrying their weapons in 26 types of public spaces that the state deems “sensitive.”
The new legislation, SB2, which Newsom signed into law in September, is set to take effect on January 1, after the appeals court put a temporary injunction, placed by U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney on Dec. 20, on hold, Fox News Digital reports.
As BizPac Review reported, Judge Carney cited in his ruling three U.S. Supreme Court decisions and the “right to self-defense.”
“The right to self-defense and to defend one’s family is fundamental and inherent to our very humanity irrespective of any formal codification,” he wrote.
“For many years, the right to bear arms, and so necessarily the right to self-defense, was relegated to second-class status,” he added. “But the United States Supreme Court made clear in its landmark decisions District of Columbia v. Heller, McDonald v. City of Chicago, and New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Incorporated v. Bruen that relegation could no longer be permitted—individuals must be able to effectuate their right to self-defense by, if they so choose, responsibly bearing arms.”
“SB2’s coverage is sweeping, repugnant to the Second Amendment, and openly defiant of the Supreme Court,” Carney stated.
“The law designates twenty-six categories of places, such as hospitals, public transportation, places that sell liquor for on-site consumption, playgrounds, parks, casinos, stadiums, libraries, amusement parks, zoos, places of worship, and banks, as ‘sensitive places’ where concealed carry permit holders cannot carry their handguns,” the judge noted. “SB2 turns nearly every public place in California into a ‘sensitive place,’ effectively abolishing the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding and exceptionally qualified citizens to be armed and to defend themselves in public.”
Permit holders are included in the law, Fox News Digital reports, and gun owners will be banned from entering privately-owned, public businesses such as restaurants with concealed weapons unless a sign explicitly stating that concealed guns are allowed is posted on the entrance.
According to the outlet, “Saturday’s administrative stay on the Dec. 20 injunction by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals will remain until another panel of judges from the same circuit decides if a longer hold on the law is necessary.”
“This ruling will allow our common-sense gun laws to remain in place while we appeal the district court’s dangerous ruling,” Newsom said in a statement posted on X. “Californians overwhelmingly support efforts to ensure that places like hospitals, libraries and children’s playgrounds remain safe and free from guns.”
Online, the governor’s claim of “overwhelming support” for the unconstitutional Second Amendment stomp is questionable, at best.
“This only restricts legally carried guns,” stated one user. “Doesn’t change anything w/regard to criminals carrying illegally.”
“You want to make it impossible for women to defend themselves from the criminals you release,” accused another.
“Oh wow, how amazing. A court ruling that allows ‘common-sense’ gun laws to remain in place while they’re being appealed,’ replied a third. “Because clearly, the best way to ensure public safety is to keep laws in place that have already been deemed unconstitutional.”
“Regardless of the issue, it should be concerning to all citizens that a federal judge says something is unconstitutional and the government’s response is a ‘dangerous ruling’,” one user wrote. “It makes zero sense to make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to legally protect themselves.”
So where can't Californians carry that was previously covered by the injunction?
Please note it covers the parking areas and sidewalks adjacent to these areas:(5) Local government buildings only "as it applies to parking areas and public appurtenant areas adjacent to where legislative, judicial, or other governmental business is conducted",*
(7) Hospitals, mental health facilities, nursing homes, medical offices, urgent care facilities, and other places where medical services are customarily provided,
(Public transportation,
(9) Establishments where intoxicating liquor is sold for consumption on the premises,
(10) Public gatherings and special events,
(11) Playgrounds and private youth centers,
(12) Parks and athletic facilities,
(13) Department of Parks and Recreation and Department of Fish and Wildlife
property, except hunting areas,
(15) Casinos and gambling establishments,
(16) Stadiums and arenas,
(17) Public libraries,
(19) Amusement parks,
(20) Zoos and museums,
(22) Churches, synagogues, mosques, and other places of worship,
(23) Financial institutions, and
(26) Any other privately owned commercial establishment that is open to the public, unless the operator clearly and conspicuously posts a sign indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property.
Now, let's say your local gun store or indoor range is in a business park. Will if their is a tax preparer or even an investment firm, you can't carry. A local business allows carry because the owner is a Pro-2A? If their is a chiropractor or dentist, no go! Need cash? Well, you can't carry to get money at an ATM. On a road trip and want to carry to the convenience store for some water? Sorry they sell Mega Millions lotto tickets, no carry for you!
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Since things are pretty slow, here's something interesting; "Laska", a new Ukrainian heavy MG by Snipex, intended to replace the Russian KPV.
The internals are interesting; like a Browning M2 hybrid, with a rotating bolt & short recoil system (i.e. the KPV).
Trade show & firing trials:
The internals are interesting; like a Browning M2 hybrid, with a rotating bolt & short recoil system (i.e. the KPV).
Trade show & firing trials:
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I've just come to the conclusion that Firearms are completely illegal to own in any capacity in some parts of the US (ex. California and New York City) and if you in an way try to go through the byzantine legal process to own one their state/local laws are deliberately designed to fuck you in such a way that you become a prohibited person/end up on the NICS blacklist nationwide (ex. the recent Californian SB2 or the NY SAFE Act, which from what I understand basically requires pharmacies in the State of New York to report kids on ADHD medication to NICS before they even become old enough to own a gun)
So if owning a firearm for any reason (hunting/home defense/sport) is important to you really the only sensible option is to move to a completely different state. Yes I know theoretically the Constitution, including the 2nd amendment, applies to the entire US but try arguing that to the government- they'll just get some cocksucker from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to come up with some bullshit legal interpretation that would make any Pakistani Sharia Court blush.
I actually just read that there's a whole niche firearms market selling single shot pistols to Californians- like lol wtf you might as well only own a matchlock arquebus at that rate.
So if owning a firearm for any reason (hunting/home defense/sport) is important to you really the only sensible option is to move to a completely different state. Yes I know theoretically the Constitution, including the 2nd amendment, applies to the entire US but try arguing that to the government- they'll just get some cocksucker from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to come up with some bullshit legal interpretation that would make any Pakistani Sharia Court blush.
I actually just read that there's a whole niche firearms market selling single shot pistols to Californians- like lol wtf you might as well only own a matchlock arquebus at that rate.