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Null, no one doubts the threat, everyones basically just saying mag dump 556 like the rest of us plan to if need be.

Mags are cheap, worried 30 rounds of 556 aren't enough? Stage a couple loaded mags in each room. I don't run edgy internet forums anymore and the last time an angry weirdo from the internet called me in the middle of the night was nearly 20 years ago so I can't relate, but I feel pretty cozy with a mag of 556 in every room, out of site, but easily accessible.
 
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(ps. I don't know fuck all about guns, i just wanted to send this one bcs for some reason it looks so retarded that imo looks also rad, pls no flame :< )
 
EggImpregnator said:
Any CZ75 autists in here? I just bought a cz75 and it is stainless with a round trigger guard and a spur hammer. I can't find anything online about cz ever making one like this so idk how rare it is.
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there was a transitional period in the early to mid 80's when they still had round trigger guards but offered newer finishes in stainless, electroless nickel, and chrome. Tanfoglio started making their frames and slides around this time and so did IMI a bit later on in 1990, but by that time the squared trigger guard was the design for the "B" and "BD" models. SN's should be from 145xxx through 154xxx.

Cole Distributing was the importer of CZ back then, as was CAI and EAA. DWJ still has pre-B imports sometimes.
 
biglurker said:
While I would still recommend buying a 5.56 rifle and slowly working up to optics, force multipliers (suppressor/NVG/Thermal)
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on a similar note, im surprised optics/other attachments don't get mentioned here more often
I think if you're spending less money on optics/other attachments than you are on the gun you're expecting serious use from (like the gun you expect to use to defend your life, for example) I'd reconsider priorities IMO.
Obviously this is a bit oversimplified, there's plenty of nuance here. But the point I'm trying to get across is that if I had to defend my life from the Transgender Milita and they're stacking level IV plates both front and rear and I could only choose between an AR-15 from PSA w/a ATACR 1-8x on it or an LMT MARS-H with a 40$ Amazon special on it, I'd pick the PSA.
Unless you're gonna use said gun for general funs, don't cheap out on your optics, and at least partially account for them (and other things, like a LAMS unit if you wanna shoot in the dark) when budgeting for a rifle.
 
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EggImpregnator said:
Disagree. Most level 4 ceramics these days are multi hit rated.
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They are, but the number of hits they'll survive is finite and variable.

Full disclosure, I'm tailoring my answers here for the target audience. If a killer tells me they aim for the fatal T every time, I don't blink. But if an average person tells me the same thing, I'm going to tell them that's a very bad idea. Imo, unless you're very proficient and used to working under pressure, trying to think about shot placement is not where you want to be at, it will cause unnecessary hesitation and more complete misses of the target. If you're a regular person, having the muscle memory to acquire the target's center of mass, fire, and then rapidly re-engage until the threat has been eliminated is by far your best chance at survival against any number of armored or unarmored opponents
 
Club Sandwich said:
there was a transitional period in the early to mid 80's when they still had round trigger guards but offered newer finishes in stainless, electroless nickel, and chrome. Tanfoglio started making their frames and slides around this time and so did IMI a bit later on in 1990, but by that time the squared trigger guard was the design for the "B" and "BD" models. SN's should be from 145xxx through 154xxx.

Cole Distributing was the importer of CZ back then, as was CAI and EAA. DWJ still has pre-B imports sometimes.
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My Serial is a P 176xxx
 
Null said:
I have absolutely no idea why people are saying the mentally ill, suicidal, ex military retards with nothing to lose and no family to live absolutely positively will never even consider level 4 plates.
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Because they can’t help but post their set ups and I’m unimpressed. Also pelvic girdle shots still exist.

Plus ex military isn’t impressive. Usually means haven’t touched a gun since basic and doubtful they’ll have a blue cord or a CIB even. You even have navy guys on Twitter talking about their military service as a reason no one needs an “assault rifle” and all they did in the service was turn wrenches.
 
Null said:
I swear there was some experimental munition nato was working on for 7.62 which punches L4 consistently but I got the name wrong.
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M993 is the standard 7.62 NATO AP round for the US military. M1158 (which i have witnessed penetrate and put down targets behind concrete walls) is the advanced AP cartridge that is in very short supply and ultimately was dropped when Navy SW opted to move to .338 Lapua Magnum and standardize on it while more conventional SOF kept up with Mk 262 (for 5.56 NATO precision rifles), and later the Mk 318 (for USMC Raider teams, now called CSO teams). Mk 316 was adopted for precision long range 7.62 NATO shooting and also has light barrier penetration ability but it's really more of a military-optimized Federal GMM round. my experience with the Mk 316 is with the Mk 11 rifle, and i would rather have the Mk 248 in .300 Win Mag if i had to reach out and touch someone.

depending on secret sauce ammo is probably not ideal. craft your battle environment and use volume of fire to establish control and overwhelm, to use 7.62 with a transferable MG loaded with AP to crack open armor after a mag dump at close range. if you're opting to stop the encounter at a distance, spending money on .50 BMG API (called "M8") and learning the skills needed to handle that rifle at the engagement range you need to work it in to stop a vehicle or something is what you'll do.

there isn't anything magic that will penetrate level 4 plates in single shots that is reasonably man portable. either use a large heavy weapon, or rely on repeat shots or focus on just avoiding the armored portions of the enemy body. i'm not sure you understand this, as it's been outlined several times.

there isn't anything you're buying that'll do the work itself and getting the "right thing" is less important than developing practical skills in movement, maneuver, tactical thinking, and manual of arms. getting good with a typical AR-15 will see you through a lot of encounters even with body armored enemies (like how soldiers are doing around the world today in multiple conflicts). optimizing those skills with particular training comes next.

if people telling you from their own experiences how to work around the problem isn't convincing you to drop your hang up on level 4 plates, i'm not sure what sort of advice you're really asking for.
EggImpregnator said:
My Serial is a P 176xxx
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as per my blue book, P is 1993 transitional.
 
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the difference between soldiers in Ukraine and me is that I don't have a regiment. I have me. So whatever I have, has to work reliably. I can't flank someone and then have my Mysterious Stranger perk kick in and shoot from the side. I need to be able to reasonably expect that whatever I shoot at will be incapacitated immediately, regardless of what they are wearing.
 
The only semi practical thing I can think of for josh and what hes planning on happening and his complete lack of any kind of support is to get a M249S converted to full auto at a reputable gun shop and belt feed it with some crazy ammo. I would tell you to get a larger caliber machine gun but every used one is taking a chance at unreliability due to the stress over the years of use and age making them at risk of failure where as this is new out of the box and regular rifle conversions to full auto belt fed are usually awful and a meme. if you shoot a transexual soros militia member with a semi auto .50 cal your probably going to die trying a follow up shot in the return fire but at least with m249 your going to be firing 850 round a minute and will be able to hose down a group of 3 or 4 them without having to worry too much about plates due to the saturation of fire

Either that or just put in the paper work for 5 or 6 shrapnel grenades and keep them handy if you think you can safely get them out a window and if you can find them I guess would be the only other practical solution to a dumb idea
 

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how about you set the invincible tranny marines on fire? how about we just have a null taskforce thread?
 
Null said:
the difference between soldiers in Ukraine and me is that I don't have a regiment. I have me. So whatever I have, has to work reliably. I can't flank someone and then have my Mysterious Stranger perk kick in and shoot from the side. I need to be able to reasonably expect that whatever I shoot at will be incapacitated immediately, regardless of what they are wearing.
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Then the ideal weapon to protect yourself and your home is an AR-15 in 5.56x45
Not an Ohio Ordinance HCAR with crusty ammo that might not work
Not an AR-10 with ammo that is nigh impossible to get more than a handful of bullets that might not even be able to preform fully
We all believe you have something genuine to worry about when you return to the USA but something ridiculous like weird experimental ammo that hardly exists and what not is not the solution to this building your skills is.
 
Null said:
the difference between soldiers in Ukraine and me is that I don't have a regiment. I have me. So whatever I have, has to work reliably. I can't flank someone and then have my Mysterious Stranger perk kick in and shoot from the side. I need to be able to reasonably expect that whatever I shoot at will be incapacitated immediately, regardless of what they are wearing.
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It's not a one-shot one-kill game anymore unless nobody's shooting back. Automatics made that a thing long before armor aggravated things. 7.62x51 is the best compromise you're going to get if you're dead-set on single-shot lethality. On .30-06- as a schizo ex-military Garand owner I can not hide my love for the rifle and cartridge, but still I would not take it as my first choice in a defensive situation, even if I had a bigger magazine like an HCAR. .30-06 is simply not controllable in sustained fire. I would say for most people 7.62x51 is BARELY controllable in sustained fire IF you're well-practiced. That's what the M14 fired, and the U.S. phased out the automatic M14s because troops simply could not control the recoil.

A well-trained civilian with a 5.56 AR can reach controlled, sustained fire that is nearly as fast as some automatics, and that is much more important than killing in a single shot. I know it seems counter-intuitive, but it's been proven time and again in all manner of real life violence in and out of warzones for the last 50 years- the more rounds you're able to fire effectively in a given period of time, the more likely you are to survive. Doesn't matter if you're on your own or with a squad. Economy of fire is everything. Outlast, suppress, kill. You stop shooting, you die. If we're talking about a fight between people wearing armor and wielding modern firearms, those are the rules of the game.
 
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