Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Blasterisk]

I mean the range is the same as any PCC. As for cost, I could see it being 600 bucks if you went all in on polymer. The no glock mags thought WOULD be a hard sell. The mags would have to be proprietary.

You also need dedicated dual-zero optics that don't exist, or to shoot at such close ranges that it doesn't matter.

The advantage is you can use your horde of 38 special or whatever revolver round you have in a semi auto rifle. The options for using 38 special or 357 magnum are basically either wheelguns or lever actions. A semi auto option would be nice.

People under 65 don't have hordes of .38 special, so there is no market. You would almost be better off selling a 9mm/5.56 combo gun.

It would be targeting a niche, but I think it could be profitable. It would make a person's 1000+ round horde of wheelgun ammo a bit more of a useful investment.

It's not an investment if it doesn't have any chance to appreciate, so by shooting it at all you are cutting into your margins. And in any case, everybody old enough to own 1,000 rounds of .38 special has enough free time to reload.

They could plink with 38 special, then hunt with 357 in the same gun. Unlike 300 blk or 7.62x39mm, the cost is variable between those rounds. Buy the cheap 38 special to plink with, and a small amount of 357 to hunt with/ home defense. I think it's economical in that sense.

You'd need an adjustable gas system or some kind of extremely fine-tuned roller delay to actually cycle .38SPL and .357mag out of the same semi-auto, so for reasons of "having to pay your engineers" it would certainly cost a lot more than a single-caliber weapon.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I mean the market is the same guys that buy lever actions to compliment their revolvers.

I mean the range is the same as any PCC. As for cost, I could see it being 600 bucks if you went all in on polymer. The no glock mags thought WOULD be a hard sell. The mags would have to be proprietary.

The advantage is you can use your horde of 38 special or whatever revolver round you have in a semi auto rifle. The options for using 38 special or 357 magnum are basically either wheelguns or lever actions. A semi auto option would be nice.

It would be targeting a niche, but I think it could be profitable. It would make a person's 1000+ round horde of wheelgun ammo a bit more of a useful investment.

They could plink with 38 special, then hunt with 357 in the same gun. Unlike 300 blk or 7.62x39mm, the cost is variable between those rounds. Buy the cheap 38 special to plink with, and a small amount of 357 to hunt with/ home defense. I think it's economical in that sense.

38 special is almost double the cost of 9mm. A 9mm gun would be an investment. Ammo is a consumable.

Also getting 38 and 357 to run reliably in a semi auto wouldn’t be trivial and would require some sort of adjustment.

 

[WelperHelper99]

You also need dedicated dual-zero optics that don't exist, or to shoot at such close ranges that it doesn't matter.

I mean a red dot would work fine for a optic. 38 out of a rifle is 9mm basically. 357 is 10mm in power. Use those solutions.

People under 65 don't have hordes of .38 special, so there is no market. You would almost be better off selling a 9mm/5.56 combo gun.

I do because I have a revolver. The snub nose isn't that dead my guy.

It's not an investment if it doesn't have any chance to appreciate, so by shooting it at all you are cutting into your margins. And in any case, everybody old enough to own 1,000 rounds of .38 special has enough free time to reload.

It's a investment in that you can use your ammo in more than just a revolver or a lever gat. You can have more fun with it. It's easier to buy into because now you have a semi auto that uses it.

You'd need an adjustable gas system or some kind of extremely fine-tuned roller delay to actually cycle .38SPL and .357mag out of the same semi-auto, so for reasons of "having to pay your engineers" it would certainly cost a lot more than a single-caliber weapon.

Also getting 38 and 357 to run reliably in a semi auto wouldn’t be trivial and would require some sort of adjustment.

The Conann pistol did it. It was the recoil springs with it. I think a variable gas system with a valve for the user to switch between 38 or 357 would solve it in a rifle.

38 special is almost double the cost of 9mm. A 9mm gun would be an investment. Ammo is a coconsumable

To steel man this, you can reload 38 way longer per case due to the low pressure. You pay more, but you get double the reload life of 9mm, which is at 35,000 psi vs 17,000 psi for 38 special.

 

[BikeLock]

An M1 Carbine in .357 Mag would be pretty kino, ngl.

 

[WelperHelper99]

An M1 Carbine in .357 Mag would be pretty kino, ngl.

I mean thar basically is the idea. Small, light, uses stick mags, all while packing the revolver round of your choice. Doesn't just have to be 357 either. Once you get the mags figured out, you can shove other rimmed revolver rounds in. 45 colt, 44 magnum, 500 S&W, the list is truly endless!

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

TIL gun owners have low voting rates.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1853071386425651582

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Thing is, they're usually concentrated on red states or more rural areas of blue states so they votes don't count for much on national elections.

To everyone here, I'd STRONGLY suggest getting a foreign semi auto rifle if you're thinking about it ASAP.

Harris can ban gun imports Day 1 and I'm still strongly of the opinion that she'll win tomorrow and if that happens, 2028 as well.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I mean thar basically is the idea. Small, light, uses stick mags, all while packing the revolver round of your choice. Doesn't just have to be 357 either. Once you get the mags figured out, you can shove other rimmed revolver rounds in. 45 colt, 44 magnum, 500 S&W, the list is truly endless!

There were M1s in .45 win mag but they were teetering right on the edge of safety.

 

[Jewthulhu]

In whatever nightmare scenario she wins I would love for her to try this. Would be pretty funny

Maybe it's my anxiety, maybe my pessimism, but I hope she doesn't. It's like the one thing I'm actually concerned about this election. I'm sure the supreme court will block it or overturn it or something. I'm sure an actual gun confiscation program won't work out, but I really don't want them to try.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Maybe it's my anxiety, maybe my pessimism, but I hope she doesn't. It's like the one thing I'm actually concerned about this election. I'm sure the supreme court will block it or overturn it or something. I'm sure an actual gun confiscation program won't work out, but I really don't want them to try.

If she wins, republicans will actually oppose gun control. If trump wins, we will get something stupid like the bump stock ban.

I’m honestly more worried about Trump pursuing gun control since people keep trying to shoot him.

 

[Apis Mellifica]

Now hear me out... a 38 special/357 mag PCC. I know that there have been 38 special semi autos before, like the Ruger Deerfield carbine in 44 magnum. Had rotary or box mags:
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I have been CRAVING a M1 Carbine in .357 magnum forever. A rifle that can take deer, shoot pistol cartridges, and be used by anyone of any size or stature by nature of being tiny and small in form and recoil impulse.

 

[MrShekelstein36]

Hey @Club Sandwich since you seem to be a knowledgeable source of info on weird firearms as well, can I message ya something I found, see if you know anything about it beyond what I can find on google?

 

[Kheapathic]

Personally I can't fathom buying a bullpup anything. Whether or not it is worth it would depend on if you are set on a bullpup, and what else you already have. If I were to drop $1,600 into a carbine, I'd put it towards a quality AR first, but maybe you already did that.

This is extremely situational, and I get people who don't like them. But if you live in the hellscape that is California, the Steyr AUG is the closest thing you can get to an intact rifle that doesn't violate California's featureless nonsense. Yes, I know, don't live in California, get the hell out, but if you do for whatever reason; a normal AUG isn't gonna be butchered like a majority of other rifles.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Maybe it's my anxiety, maybe my pessimism, but I hope she doesn't. It's like the one thing I'm actually concerned about this election. I'm sure the supreme court will block it or overturn it or something. I'm sure an actual gun confiscation program won't work out, but I really don't want them to try.

Right until she lacks the court and she'll almost certainly get to replace Clarence Thomas with a fucking retard.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Hey @Club Sandwich since you seem to be a knowledgeable source of info on weird firearms as well, can I message ya something I found, see if you know anything about it beyond what I can find on google?

sure, but there's a lot of weird stuff out there, but home built, one-off bespoke stuff, prototypes, limited releases, niche markets, not to mention all kinds of foreign stuff.

also in case people don't know, the M1 has been converted to a lot of stuff. the .45 Win Mag was imho unsafe with any non-factory load, but the .25 Win Mag was functionally a necked down .357 S&W Mag to .25 and worked quite well (and of course there are .22 conversions and 9mm conversion and so forth, Ruger's Model 44 carbine from back in the day only resembled one and was very different being a pump action).

to convert an M1 into something that could receive .357 S&W Magnum, you need a new barrel, increase the gas bleed valve for the gas piston, and add some mass to the recoil system either with a stronger action spring or physical mass to slow it down a tad. then you need to modify the extractor and ejector after enlarging the bolt head for the rim. the magazine can be used as-is. note that .30 carbine is actually a touch more powerful than .357 S&W Magnum owing to different cartridge design and powder charges, typically with a lighter bullet too.

it has been tried but it isn't straight forward or easier than building a PC carbine type gun around the cartridge. rimmed semi-autos tend to work best in single stack magazines unless it has some funky geometry going on for double stack feeding of a long rimmed cartridge.

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

If anyone cares, this is what I ended up getting for my steel target.

 

[Club Sandwich]

If anyone's cares, this is what I ended up getting for my steel target.View attachment 6600609

get cheap spray paint. shots will strip off the paint and sometimes it's useful to visually see the impacts for analysis or to confirm POI.

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

get cheap spray paint. shots will strip off the paint and sometimes it's useful to visually see the impacts for analysis or to confirm POI.

I already picked up some black and orange, because its already snowy here and I won't be able to see this fucker at all

 

[Dean Pentel]

I do not care for the rear sight at all, and have ordered the wilson combat to replace it. it will function for now but its not staying on the gun.

D&L also makes rear sights for those revolvers. I'm a big fan of what he makes (even though his website is fucking awful). If you get the Wilson sight and decide you want something else in the future I'd say these are worth a look.

The cylinder has no play at all when its fully locked up. It might seem a stupid thing to say but the way the cylinder closes and the click the gun makes when locking up screams quality. there is also no resistance or binding in the cylinder window when closing the cylinder.

I'm jelly. I've fired my Model 29-2 enough that now the cylinder will move a tiny bit in lock up. It's not yet a safety concern but I wish it would have stayed in its initial condition.

This is extremely situational, and I get people who don't like them. But if you live in the hellscape that is California, the Steyr AUG is the closest thing you can get to an intact rifle that doesn't violate California's featureless nonsense. Yes, I know, don't live in California, get the hell out, but if you do for whatever reason; a normal AUG isn't gonna be butchered like a majority of other rifles.

For you Cali peeps, how feasible is it to simply ignore the more retarded firearms laws there? Like, you want a standard AR in a standard AR configuration. Or you want normal capacity magazines in all your weapons. I'm of the mindset that American citizens who want to totally hypothetically and in Minecraft put a regular stock on an SBR without asking permission and paying a fee to exercise their natural rights should just do that. These fictional individuals won't make a big thing about doing so on the Internet but will still do it nonetheless. Is similar behavior a thing that's reasonably possible in CA?

Edited to add:

I'm beginning to think that 10mm pistols are not as good an idea as I once thought. Every weapon is a compromise but I think too many concessions need to be made for that caliber. I'm pretty good with a pistol in that caliber but I'm far better with a 9mm. I definitely jumped in with both feet on this one and while I don't regret it, I have some 10mm stuff to get rid of now. I'll keep the Dan Wesson, the SVI, and the S&W.

Now a question for the thread bros. When you fly to attend training courses, how do you get your ammo to wherever you're going?

 

[MrShekelstein36]

M1 has been converted to a lot of stuff. the .45 Win Mag was imho unsafe with any non-factory load

They also did 50AE. I used to have one but I traded it to a buddy in exchange for some other weird stuff. The 50's had a bad habit of cracking slides due to being overgassed and firing hotter than factory ammo.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

For you Cali peeps, how feasible is it to simply ignore the more retarded firearms laws there? Like, you want a standard AR in a standard AR configuration. Or you want normal capacity magazines in all your weapons. I'm of the mindset that American citizens who want to totally hypothetically and in Minecraft put a regular stock on an SBR without asking permission and paying a fee to exercise their natural rights should just do that. These fictional individuals won't make a big thing about doing so on the Internet but will still do it nonetheless. Is similar behavior a thing that's reasonably possible in CA?

That is horribly retarded and not to mention illegal, and I know for sure that any one freedom loving red blooded American would never dare to do something so silly as to have a firearm in a configuration not approved by illegitimate laws and law facilities. Why, I keep all my guns in California config just because I believe in their misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment that much. Shame on you for daring to suggest that you are a free man and can do exactly as you please. I never want to see someone suggest that you should not follow their rules because thousands upon thousands of greater men than any we know have fought and died to make sure that you can do it.